Yeap.
$399 12FTs 8xZen2 16GB
I just hope it come early... March 2020
Because console gamers act poor as fuck and expect the moon for $399........ and then go and buy new iPhones, eat out every day, and do Starbuck runs in the afternoon...... and that's after they pay for microtrans, map packs, EA Ultimate Cards and other garbage. $100 for better specs is like a gold mine of money, then it's spent on cruddy gaming content.
I bet a gamer complaining about spending an extra $100 (or $20 for 5 years worth), can save $100 in a month just by eating out less. And if they did that, there's your $100.
It will be more powerful, mark my words.
Hilarious. There is a limit on what AMD can provide to a console sized box, at this point, with a certain price.
You wont see a 12TF console for 400 bucks... thats not going to happen.Yeap.
$399 12FTs 8xZen2 16GB
I just hope it come early... March 2020
Just use this thread, there's nothing wrong about willing and wanting to learn, if anything it's how a proper adult should behave so +1This post and every future tech post I read is very interesting indeed, it also reminds me how little I know about current GPUs, jargon, roadmaps, etc. Could anyone kindly point to a source where I can read about the current state of graphic cards/processors/computers internals so I can stop being so misinformed?
Nope.You wont see a 12TF console for 400 bucks... thats not going to happen.
Scarlet Base = 6-7TF (400 or less)
PS5= 7-8TF (400)
Scarlet Pro = 9-10+TF (500)
People have to keep in check more things than just this TF numbers...
Yeap.
$399 12FTs 8xZen2 16GB
I just hope it come early... March 2020
It will be more powerful, mark my words.
Excellent explanation, thanks! Most of those concepts I did know about already however, my question was more in line with terms like “Zen”, “Navi”, what determines teraflops, etc.Just use this thread, there's nothing wrong about willing and wanting to learn, if anything it's how a proper adult should behave so +1
The heart of a console in it's current and foreseeable future is an APU (Accelerated Processing Unit), which is basically a CPU+GPU ducktaped together with some specific customization/instruction depending on the contractor.
You have your RAM (Random Access Memory) that comes in GDDR (Graphics Double Data Rate), DDR (minus the G and what you find in PC's as working memory), EDDR (embedded) and so forth.
Then you have yourself the bus width which is basically highway lanes/tunnel that data passes through, the wider the bus the faster data can pass through, denoted in bit (e.g. 192, 256, 384, 512-bit, etc etc, most common is 256 I think on PC's).
That's your basic idea of the key components so it depends really which exactly you want to know more of and what part of that component, there are a lot of people that are most likely willing to give a proper explanation and/or educated.
I know how it all works / come together and actively follow technology but would be hard pressed to re-tell the tale, but hopefully something from the above helps
Here's a interesting breakdown from IHS from 2013: https://news.ihsmarkit.com/press-re...-breakeven-point-playstation-4-hardware-costsPeople have to keep in check more things than just this TF numbers...
$649.bet's on $499.
God knows what in Australia.
There won't be a need for mid gen refresh like the PS4Pro.
HDMI 2.1 is a thing, 4K has been a thing for quite some time now.
All it needs to do is to be powerfull enough to support HDMI 2.1 full bandwidth and push those checkerboarded (the results are quite impressive) 4K pixels with dynamic HDR at 60fps.
Can't wait to see a game with realtime dynamic HDR implementation.
8K is not happening any time soon LOL.4K TVs are dirt cheap, TV manufacturers are going to want to push 8K next so we might see mid gen refresh again.
oh yeah because it's going so fast...The pace new die shrinks is happening I won’t be surprise with no mud-gen refresh next gen
Haha I know how you feel, long ago I used to build my own PC's as a hobby and because it was so much damn fun.Excellent explanation, thanks! Most of those concepts I did know about already however, my question was more in line with terms like “Zen”, “Navi”, what determines teraflops, etc.
I used to follow the tech world 10+ years ago and was building PCs myself but have since lost ground on the advancements and new terminology.
There are alot of people who have unrealistic expectations about next gen consoles, but if you think that Sony are going to launch in 2020 with an 8tf GPU then that's even more absurd.You wont see a 12TF console for 400 bucks... thats not going to happen.
Scarlet Base = 6-7TF (400 or less)
PS5= 7-8TF (400)
Scarlet Pro = 9-10+TF (500)
People have to keep in check more things than just this TF numbers...
8K is less plausible than ray tracing.4K TVs are dirt cheap, TV manufacturers are going to want to push 8K next so we might see mid gen refresh again.
Thats really not absurd... XboxOneX launched in freaking 2017 with 6TF already and its costs 500 bucks. People expecting a PS5 with more than 8TF have ridiclious expectations and they forget that there is still the base PS4 which is a 1.8TF machine. So coming from that a PS5 with 8TF will be a big upgrade. The crucial upgrade nextgen will be the CPUThere are alot of people who have unrealistic expectations about next gen consoles, but if you think that Sony are going to launch in 2020 with an 8tf GPU then that's even more absurd.
PS5 will launch with a minimum 9tf gpu, but around 10tf would be more realistic. Scarlett X will target a much higher spec still.
Please...Nope.
12TFs at $399.
6-7TFs costs today less than $299... imagine 7nm in 2020.
Whether it's 10 Tflops or 12 Tflops from AMD, it won't make much of a difference, that's a similar level of performance, and in late 2020 that level of performance is going to be lower mid-range to mid-range.
Next-gen will be the smallest graphics leap in gaming history. At least if they added dedicated ray-tracing capabilities you could get effects that simply aren't possible in real-time on current gen consoles.
Thats really not absurd... XboxOneX launched in freaking 2017 with 6TF already and its costs 500 bucks. People expecting a PS5 with more than 8TF have ridiclious expectations and they forget that there is still the base PS4 which is a 1.8TF machine. So coming from that a PS5 with 8TF will be a big upgrade. The crucial upgrade nextgen will be the CPU
Please...
A 6TF console is available right now and costs 500bucks.
A LOT of people will be disappointed with the PS5 specs thats for sure, especially the folks who expect anything beyond 9-10TF
I wish people could keep other things in mind. Just because we get 7nm doesnt mean everything will be cheaper...
Don't forget the 8k TV to go with it!A mid-gen refresh for 8k?
I can’t wait to spend 2 grand on that console
Well... just like you bought the Pro 2 years after its release (and possibly a PS4 5 years after release if the Pro is your first), you surely can wait til 2022 (or 2025) to buy your PS5Fucking goddammit. I got a Pro like 3 months ago.
Nah Ray-tracing looks like ass.
And a bigger living room.Don't forget the 8k TV to go with it!
And dont be surprised when they fucking fail as a result.Don't be surprised if MS and Sony have a $499.99 system.
Might as well move into a mansion with a mancave for movies and gaming. Hey, maybe I'll open my own cinema and charge people. Not a bad idea.And a bigger living room.
As resolution increases, so do TV sizes. The larger 4k TVs are in the 65-75' range. So unless the tv makers want to jam more pixels into the same screen size, the tvs might creep up to 90+'.
You're joking right?
If not, mind telling me how you came to this conclusion?
Thats really not absurd... XboxOneX launched in freaking 2017 with 6TF already and its costs 500 bucks. People expecting a PS5 with more than 8TF have ridiclious expectations and they forget that there is still the base PS4 which is a 1.8TF machine. So coming from that a PS5 with 8TF will be a big upgrade. The crucial upgrade nextgen will be the CPU
Please...
A 6TF console is available right now and costs 500bucks.
A LOT of people will be disappointed with the PS5 specs thats for sure, especially the folks who expect anything beyond 9-10TF
I wish people could keep other things in mind. Just because we get 7nm doesnt mean everything will be cheaper...
It just doesn’t interest me at all.
That's what they did with the ps3, "under $600" because $599, get it?
It doesn't interest you so it "looks like ass"? I don't follow...
Nah, there won’t two machines with power differences on the Sony side and if MS try it they’ll find themselves in the Nintendo Switch camp in terms of AAA third party support.
How so? If one console will target 1080p with just weaker GPU and lesser memory I see no reason why it wouldn't be able to play games the 4K-focused console will. If Pro and X1X can play the base models games, then there's no reason next-gen games build from the ground up
Hopefully they will go for 499$, but looking at PS4, VR and Pro successes, I strongly doubt they will go a single dollar above 399$. They will again want to create as big user base as possible, especially that Sony doesn't plan to offer their games/services on other platforms like MS does, so every PS5 sold will matter more than ever. The way I see the next-gen consoles models will look like is as follows:
XB2S - 299$, 8-12GB RAM, 6-7TF GPU, FullHD
PS5 - 399$, 12-16GB RAM, 8-9TF GPU, CBR 4K
XB2X -499$, 16GB RAM, 10-12Tf GPU, 4K
All will share the same Ryzen CPU, more or less.
There’s a lot more to games than just resolution and framerate, less power means dumbing a game down in every aspect and that includes the high powered machine to ensure it runs on the low powered machine.
They won’t make two completely different games to match the specs they serve. Low power machines means sacrifices need to be made to gameplay and AI.
and it would be a true disappointment ! And what about CBR 4K ?....I hope you were joking about it. PS5 must guarantee native 4K on any gam
Hopefully they will go for 499$, but looking at PS4, VR and Pro successes, I strongly doubt they will go a single dollar above 399$. They will again want to create as big user base as possible, especially that Sony doesn't plan to offer their games/services on other platforms like MS does, so every PS5 sold will matter more than ever. The way I see the next-gen consoles models will look like is as follows:
XB2S - 299$, 8-12GB RAM, 6-7TF GPU, FullHD
PS5 - 399$, 12-16GB RAM, 8-9TF GPU, CBR 4K
XB2X -499$, 16GB RAM, 10-12Tf GPU, 4K
All will share the same Ryzen CPU, more or less.
How so? If one console will target 1080p with just weaker GPU and lesser memory I see no reason why it wouldn't be able to play games the 4K-focused console will. If Pro and X1X can play the base models games, then there's no reason next-gen games build from the ground up