That was a nice rundown. It gives good reason to purchase a more expensive model if that includes larger storage. I suspect the author is right on the money about expanded storage being tricky, both for the technical reasons he listed and Sony's early reveal of the option to install / delete parts of the games.
I assumed swapping drives would be just the same as the last couple generations. Honestly, now I really hope they do have a more expensive model just for maximum storage space. I won't care as much if they confirm swaps are feasible, but if they aren't feasible it won't ruin my day because it sounds like baking them in closer to the chips gives us worthwhile benefits.Yeah I would have never thought about that.
Yes, i like the shape too, it looks like Jaguar 2.0. But if the shape compromises the air flow they better keep the shoes box design.Man, I part of me hopes the final PS5 looks like that dev kit. It's so ridiculous and over the top. Sometimes you need a little crazy in your life.
The closer we are to PS5 release, the more PCB rumor makes sense.
~316mm² APU
40CUs highly clocked with RT cores
8 core Zen 2 with 1/4 of cache (Flute leak)
256 bit bus (18Gbps chips, PCB leak in May specified this + matches flute benchmark).
Could fit in nicely and be very high performing yet not overly expensive chip (still more expensive then when PS4 came out, even if it is smaller per mm2).
I honestly don't care how it looks, As long as it's good, it can look like a giant dildo for all i care!Man, I part of me hopes the final PS5 looks like that dev kit. It's so ridiculous and over the top. Sometimes you need a little crazy in your life.
So i'm not the only one who find that bulky thing kinda beatifulMan, I part of me hopes the final PS5 looks like that dev kit. It's so ridiculous and over the top. Sometimes you need a little crazy in your life.
Basically there where several leaks regarding, what many "in know" now consider PS5.Could elaborate a touch? I'm interested but only partially understand.
The ICE team are going to make some beautiful games with Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Sony Bend, Kojima Productions,Santa Monica, Guerrilla Games and Polyphony Digital
I think the shape is to allow for better air flow. Agree, it does look like the old jaguar.Yes, i like the shape too, it looks like Jaguar 2.0. But if the shape compromises the air flow they better keep the shoes box design.
You had me up until, "dildo."I honestly don't care how it looks, As long as it's good, it can look like a giant dildo for all i care!
still have to install to the hard drive even if you use disc. so will make no different unfortunately.I'm really worried about the small hard drives for these systems. Might have to go back to discs if I'll be deleting games after I beat them.
Never buy day one consoles. Because launch ps systems are louder than a soundbar.Now, to jump on day one or wait 3 years for the pro variant....
Now, to jump on day one or wait 3 years for the pro variant....
He said hed delete games after beating them. Makes sense, faster install time cause no downloading.still have to install to the hard drive even if you use disc. so will make no different unfortunately.
Naughty Dog are Ice team.This console will be something special. The ICE team are going to make some beautiful games with Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Sony Bend, Kojima Productions,Santa Monica, Guerrilla Games and Polyphony Digital
The closer we are to PS5 release, the more PCB rumor makes sense.
~316mm² APU
40CUs highly clocked with RT cores
8 core Zen 2 with 1/4 of cache (Flute leak)
256 bit bus (18Gbps chips, PCB leak in May specified this + matches flute benchmark).
Could fit in nicely and be very high performing yet not overly expensive chip (still more expensive then when PS4 came out, even if it is smaller per mm2).
what if there won't be pro version? i don't think sony will chase 8K in games this time.Now, to jump on day one or wait 3 years for the pro variant....
i'm sure they will for scarlett, that's how you lose your dignity.But did they get a free glass-encased CPU? These are the important questions!
I believe people will be disappointed in the Tflop number. So many hyped up for 11-13+ TFlops. You are going to get 8-10 Tfops max.Naughty Dog are Ice team.
that's most likely, it would make it around 9.2 Tflops which a bit disapointing i've expected around 11 Tflops
what if there won't be pro version? i don't think sony will chase 8K in games this time.
i'm sure they will for scarlett, that's how you lose your dignity.
I believe people will be disappointed in the Tflop number. So many hyped up for 11-13+. You are going to get 9-10 tflops max.
At least once that is known this "PS5 will do 4k 60fps" nonsense will finally die for good.
I mean the 2080 super is 11 Tflops and it costs over $700. Its laughable that people think you will get that performance in a $500 box. Unless of coarse you are talking about AMDs boosted tflop number which yes its possible to get 13 tflops and perform worse than the 2080 super.
So you think you are getting 11ish tflops to match a 2080 Super? Ohh, I'll take that bet.I've bookmarked plenty of chronic lowballers' posts. Hopefully you'll still be here next year to relish that lovely raven...
Oh, you're one of those clueless people that still think GCN flops "suck"? Dude, that's so 2015!So you think you are getting 19ish tflops to match a 2080? Ohh, I'll take that bet.
Remember AMD Tflops are always higher but the cards perform worse. Thus Sony's custom setup will also have boosted Tflops and perform worse than an Nvidia PC.
Oh, you're one of those clueless people that still think GCN flops "suck"? Dude, that's so 2015!
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Educate yourself first and you can thank me later.
but if I only have 500gb to work with I'd rather have the ability to instal quickly from the disc then wait for a downloadstill have to install to the hard drive even if you use disc. so will make no different unfortunately.
You seem really ignorant, pal.Uhh
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You would need 19+ tflops just to compete with a 2080 I think.
OK, you truly are a clueless PCMR warrior as I suspected.including the 19tflop 5700 XT
ah I get ya now. my downloads are not that far off from install from disk speeds.but if I only have 500gb to work with I'd rather have the ability to instal quickly from the disc then wait for a download
LOL I made a mistake the 5700 XT is only 9.7tflops. I glanced at the half performance (FP16) number and ignored the other (19 tflops). Why I did that? I don't know, Thats my bad and I will admit that.OK, you truly are a clueless PCMR warrior as I suspected.
Welcome to my ignore list. Have fun with embarrassing yourself.
ND will be Last of Us 2 remasterThis console will be something special. The ICE team are going to make some beautiful games with Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Sony Bend, Kojima Productions,Santa Monica, Guerrilla Games and Polyphony Digital
It's not certainly yet but most likely good think is that RT will free up a lot of calculations for CU's.I believe people will be disappointed in the Tflop number. So many hyped up for 11-13+ "Nvidia" TFlops. You are going to get 9-10 "Nvidia" TFlops max.
that's choice of devs not the power of hardware i think games like GT, fighting games will be 4K 60 FPS easily even more genres could achieve that with checkerboard rendering if HW supports.At least once that is known this "PS5 will do 4k 60fps" nonsense will finally die for good.
this is flawed argument in many ways:I mean the 2080 super is 11 Tflops and it costs over $700. Its laughable that people think you will get that performance in a $500 box. Unless of coarse you are talking about AMDs boosted tflop number but worse performing cards. In that case yes its possible to get 13 tflops but you will lose to a 2080 or 2070. You would need 19 tflops just to compete with a 2080 I think.
as i mention retail prices doesn't apply to sony ps5 APU cost estimates at around 120$ if not less most expenssive part is RAM.People need to pray from a 5700 equivalent if you want any hope of 4k 60. The issue is that card is almost $400. Sony would get something special like that at a discount but I am not sure how much of a console is gpu. 70%? 50%? 25%?. How are you going to get that amount of power for ~$500.
PS5 will run around in circles in performance compared to 2060 super more likely it will match or exceed 2080 super in performance.Look at that list scroll down to an affordable AMD gpu and then that is close to what you will be getting in the PS5. I think a 2060 super equivalent is what the PS5 and XBNext will have in it.
It's not certainly yet but most likely good think is that RT will free up a lot of calculations for CU's.
that's choice of devs not the power of hardware i think games like GT, fighting games will be 4K 60 FPS easily even more genres could achieve that with checkerboard rendering if HW supports.
this is flawed argument in many ways:
1)nvidia's retail prices has nothing to do with what AMD provides to sony.
There isn't an AMD card that can compete with the 2080 Super. The Best card is a (9.7 tflop 5700 XT) at $400 so that is all we got for comparison. I realize it isn't a direct comparison.
2) PS5 is RDNA not GCN arch which is really close to NVidia Turing arch.
I realize my mistake here.
3) you can't compare pc cards to custom console APU's it doesn't make sense.
Price per power isn't THAT different.
as i mention retail prices doesn't apply to sony ps5 APU cost estimates at around 120$ if not less most expenssive part is RAM.
PS5 will run around in circles in performance compared to 2060 super more likely it will match or exceed 2080 super in performance.
Wait are you trying to say a $120 APU will have the same performance as a $700 GPU? I mean even when you remove the Nvidia tax, retail markup, and give Sony a discount I just don't see how that is possible. If you said $250 or $300 maybe.
Now, If you were talking about the 5700 XT I think you would be close but not a 2080 Super. I still think the 2060, or maybe a 5700 is possible...but that is my personal guess. I was right about the PS4 being weak, I feel I will be right about the PS5.
The closer we are to PS5 release, the more PCB rumor makes sense.
~316mm² APU
40CUs highly clocked with RT cores
8 core Zen 2 with 1/4 of cache (Flute leak)
256 bit bus (18Gbps chips, PCB leak in May specified this + matches flute benchmark).
Could fit in nicely and be very high performing yet not overly expensive chip (still more expensive then when PS4 came out, even if it is smaller per mm2).
How do you fit 8 core Zen 2 + 5700 + RT cores + Neural cores into that??
Not to mention it would be 70mm2 smaller than estimated scarlett SOC.
it is a secret.
RTX wont be used in PS5 which is a good thing. This is an Nvidia marketing scheme and a terrible version of ray tracing.I can't wait to see the quality of RTX technology in the PS5. In this gen the CPU jaguar is the true bootleneck, in the next gen the CPU will be very very important for to see BIG game and IA more realistic.