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PS5 exclusives drove me to buy Xbox Series X — here’s why

SkylineRKR

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The irony is that if Sony put Control UE and Soulstorm on Now I might've subbed. I was planning to buy these anyway. But Now gets the rather old stuff. I would also sub to Now if PS3 games were at least downloadables and upscaled.
 

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If MS own the ip/studio or publish the game, then it will end up on gamepass. That wil cover Forza, gears, halo, elder scrolls, wolfenstein, doom, fallout etc.

There could be a scenario where an exclusive is developed for xbox by a third party studio but it doesn't end up on gamepass.

No offence but you would not want to play elderscrolls on gamepass the costs of playing a game you can play for years on end with new content being made by the fan base would be too high subscribing monthly .. it would be good to try it out see if you like it for newcomers though then buy the pc version from steam for a one off price .
 
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because psnow it has nothing to do with gamepass.
- It does not have the exclusives at launch.
- No third party will launch the game even on Psnow (as happened with gp)
- Does not include sub services such as EA Play
- Very few third parties release the game in a short time on Psnow unlike what we have seen many times happen on GP like Dirt5 or Devil May cry 5 etc etc.

PS+ at least debuted two of the biggest indie breakout hits of the last gen with Rocket Arena and Fall Guys day#1, its a good service.
The collection bundled in on PS5 is a pretty direct counter to GamePass.

Why bring up PSNow anyway?
 

MonarchJT

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PS+ at least debuted two of the biggest indie breakout hits of the last gen with Rocket Arena and Fall Guys day#1, its a good service.
The collection bundled in on PS5 is a pretty direct counter to GamePass.

Why bring up PSNow anyway?
i didn't i was answering saying my opinion on why people are in love with gamepass and the mass audience clearly ignore psnow.
 

GHG

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if you think it is good for the community to have people freely insulting you are probably part of the problem.

Are you a baby or what? Why are you taking it personally and since when did "idiot" become some huge insult?

The argument itself is actually pretty easy to pick apart considering the fact that unlike Xbox Live, gamepass is not the first games subscription service. Both PS Now and EA Access predate it. But instead of discussing, you'd rather go crying to mummy and daddy? Makes sense.
 
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MonarchJT

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Are you a baby or what? Why are you taking it personally and since when did "idiot" become some huge insult?

The argument itself is actually pretty easy to pick apart considering the fact that unlike Xbox Live, gamepass is not the first games subscription service. Both PS Now and EA Access predate it. But instead of discussing, you'd rather go crying to mummy and daddy? Makes sense.
I don't like insults ...there are other, even more consistent, ways to have your say without insulting others. Maybe in your life if a stranger calls you an idiot it's ok. Not in mine
 

GHG

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I don't like insults ...there are other, even more consistent, ways to have your say without insulting others. Maybe in your life if a stranger calls you an idiot it's ok. Not in mine

Ok well in that case I hope there will be some consistency in you spamming the report button whenever an "insult" is thrown around in the future. But something tells me there won't be.
 
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BabyfaceRe

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What a trash article, I'll save you the read guys, they basically don't want to pay full price for games and want Game Pass.
Not trash at all l.

Can you explain what extra you get for the 40% price hike? I would sincerely like to know.

I've watched PS5 played live, looked at all the games and cannot see 1 single game that has 40% boost over current gen games.

Returnal for 70? That price tag kills that game and we all know it. Deathloop for 70? A game that clearly was arbitrarily bumped to ps5 when it could easily be a ps4 game.

If you think 70 is justified more fool you. But calling out people for not paying full price is such a low IQ statement. Smart pays what a product is worth, a donkey pays what he's told. Dont forget to pre order!
 
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...So you prefer to go to Xbox with no decent exclusives at all.

Thats like cutting your arm because you hurt a fingernail.
 

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If you think 70 is justified more fool you. But calling out people for not paying full price is such a low IQ statement. Smart pays what a product is worth, a donkey pays what he's told. Dont forget to pre order!
Frogs think they won’t be boiled if they object to the seasoning used. Look at the wonderful world of mobile games whenever you hear “make a game optimised for <streaming service where people’s value perception is eroding bit by bit>“...
 
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GHG

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Ass of Can Whooping Ass of Can Whooping

 

Hitchyhero

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I've been on this forum for a couple months now (though I glanced at the site a lot longer).

Anytime I see an xbox praise threads, the thread turns nasty pretty quickly from a particular subset of gamers. When it's a PS praise thread... Everyone applauds and pats eachother on the back.

It's really depressing that to have a decent chat/debate/criticism about xbox without fanboy wars.... Your limited to the main xbox thread.
 
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Mr.Xbox

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I've been on this forum for a couple months now (though I glanced at the site a lot longer).

Anytime I see an xbox praise threads, the thread turns nasty pretty quickly from a particular subset of gamers. When it's a PS praise thread... Everyone applauds and pats eachother on the back.
Welcome to GAF, if your not a Sony fanboy then get ready to be treated like shit.

Your also not allowed to say anything bad about Playstation or you get banned
Playstation cant have any critism
If you praise Xbox then prepare for a swarm of bellends to come in
 

Hitchyhero

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Welcome to GAF, if your not a Sony fanboy then get ready to be treated like shit.

Your also not allowed to say anything bad about Playstation or you get banned
Playstation cant have any critism
If you praise Xbox then prepare for a swarm of bellends to come in

It's depressing and makes me not want to even come on here. And I agree.... I've been temp banned for calling these fanboys out.

Whats worse is I've had every single playstation console right up until the PS4. I then commented late last year in gonna buy a XSX console first as gamepass sounds really good and then a load of PS fans jumped onto me saying I'm a fake account and no one would seriously switch. So I must be trying to build momentum for the console...... . I legit sh*t you not.

I v rarely see this kind of fanboyism coming from xbox but when I do I call it out. I hate console wars but the moderators need to sort this crap out because its on every xbox thread.
 
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MilkyJoe

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As soon as Xbox has a truly next gen exclusive as good as Demon's Souls on Game Pass he should let the readers know.

It might, uhhhh ... be a very long time.

Side note: His analogy only works when Blockbuster and Netflix have the same content. If you can only get The Godfather, ChinaTown, Alien, Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now and Heat from Blockbuster, while Netflix only has Weekend At Bernie's, Meatballs, and Encino Man - Blockbuster is absolutely in no danger.

Content is king.

Except for your analogy Blockbuster would only have The Godfather, Donnie Brasco, Carlito's Way, The Godfather 2, Brooklyn Rules, American Gangster and The Godfather 3 :messenger_smirking:
 
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It's depressing and makes me not want to even come on here. And I agree.... I've been temp banned for calling these fanboys out.

Whats worse is I've had every single playstation console right up until the PS4. I then commented late last year in gonna buy a XSX console first as gamepass sounds really good and then a load of PS fans jumped onto me saying I'm a fake account and no one would seriously switch. So I must be trying to build momentum for the console...... . I legit sh*t you not.

I v rarely see this kind of fanboyism coming from xbox but when I do I call it out. I hate console wars but the moderators need to sort this crap out because its on every xbox thread.
Don't worry yourself about it too much. OP is getting shit on for getting three years of game pass for less than 2 PS5 games. It's impossible to deal with that sort of delusion.

The saddest thing is that as much as you want to ignore these dumb fanboys burning money (and its advised you do), they are having a tangible affect on the market by declaring with their wallets that 70 per game (regardless of content or quality), plus dlc, plus mtx, plus day one preorders; it really fucks it for the rest of us with a couple brain cells.
 

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Don't worry yourself about it too much. OP is getting shit on for getting three years of game pass for less than 2 PS5 games. It's impossible to deal with that sort of delusion.

The saddest thing is that as much as you want to ignore these dumb fanboys burning money (and its advised you do), they are having a tangible affect on the market by declaring with their wallets that 70 per game (regardless of content or quality), plus dlc, plus mtx, plus day one preorders; it really fucks it for the rest of us with a couple brain cells.
Thing is these fanboys count for less than 1% of the actual people who buy PS5's
 
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DeepEnigma

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Welcome to GAF, if your not a Sony fanboy then get ready to be treated like shit.

Your also not allowed to say anything bad about Playstation or you get banned
Playstation cant have any critism
If you praise Xbox then prepare for a swarm of bellends to come in
 

FrankWza

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You forgot to link the x ot. ;)
 

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Take the game collecting, tech enthusiast, and fanboy glasses off and you will realize Gamepass is a great deal.
Anecdotally, I know of family members who has opted to buying an Xbox and subscribing to Gamepass for their self, kids, spouse, whatever. It’s alot of options and cheaper than dropping a large sum upfront.
 

Hitchyhero

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Take the game collecting, tech enthusiast, and fanboy glasses off and you will realize Gamepass is a great deal.
Anecdotally, I know of family members who has opted to buying an Xbox and subscribing to Gamepass for their self, kids, spouse, whatever. It’s alot of options and cheaper than dropping a large sum upfront.

You'll get accused of lying by saying people are switching bc of gamepass. Exact same thing happened to me on here for saying I'm switching. They even said I created a fake account just to try and garner sales on neogaf for MS.
 
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Owning a Lambo drove me to buy a Hyundai instead.....said no one ever.

I am always better than all of you.
-MJF
 
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So it's not about the PS5 exclusives, it's a bout being a "penny-pincher" and of course value (quality or quantity) has its price.
 
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Welcome to GAF, if your not a Sony fanboy then get ready to be treated like shit.

Your also not allowed to say anything bad about Playstation or you get banned
Playstation cant have any critism
If you praise Xbox then prepare for a swarm of bellends to come in

Didn't know saying the truth was a mental illness, another excuse from Sony Fanboys

Gaf’s one step away from going over the redline and slapping green xbox arm bands on members and herding them into a Silicon Valley ghetto.

/s
 

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Welcome to GAF, if your not a Sony fanboy then get ready to be treated like shit.

Your also not allowed to say anything bad about Playstation or you get banned
Playstation cant have any critism
If you praise Xbox then prepare for a swarm of bellends to come in

Oh no. How dare someone speak about the bullshit price increase. How dare someone steps out of the line and refuse to suck Sony’s cock.

This is a forum with gaming preferences that represent most platforms. If you were only looking for pro-Xbox perspectives, why the hell would you choose Neogaf? By the way, there are plenty of Playstation criticisms here, many of them valid — but when you bring nonsense to the table (see OP), be prepared to have your glass house smashed.

N Nyxir Why is it bullshit? Is it also bullshit with Xbox doing it? Do you believe that prices should have remained at $60 forever? Why?

Sounds like your persecution complex might be getting in the way of logic.
 

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This is a forum with gaming preferences that represent most platforms. If you were only looking for pro-Xbox perspectives, why the hell would you choose Neogaf? By the way, there are plenty of Playstation criticisms here, many of them valid — but when you bring nonsense to the table (see OP), be prepared to have your glass house smashed.

N Nyxir Why is it bullshit? Is it also bullshit with Xbox doing it? Do you believe that prices should have remained at $60 forever? Why?

Sounds like your persecution complex might be getting in the way of logic.

Gaf has been very Pro Sony forever. Only Trolls deny this. Xbox threads get flamed and a cabal of people mass report anyone who mentions anything bad about sony, even when sony does things that suck. Prices going up sucks for consumers even if it has to happen, and other companies not raising prices means it clearly doesn't have to quite yet.
 
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Games weren't £50 last gen at all, they've been £60 for some time. Retailers don't always sell at the full RRP but hell, if you wanted a decent copy of FIFA with add-ons is was £99.99 at launch!
 

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Gaf has been very Pro Sony forever. Only Trolls deny this. Xbox threads get flamed and a cabal of people mass report anyone who mentions anything bad about sony, even when sony does things that suck. Prices going up sucks for consumers even if it has to happen, and other companies not raising prices means it clearly doesn't have to quite yet.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think this sort of thing isn't happening on both sides. Is it happening more often to Xbox fans? Sure. But what do you expect when the number Xbox fans are the smallest of the big three.

I don't buy that price increases 'clearly' didn't have to happen quite yet. Budgets are all over the place, there are companies that could probably afford to keep prices at $20 forever. Doing something like this at the start of a generation makes more sense than increasing prices at some random point in the generation. It may actually increase the chances that businesses take risks or deliver bigger experiences knowing that they have some additional revenue to plan on.
 

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Sony doesn't have an exclusives advantage anymore. So some people are going to need to upgrade their PCs or buy an Xbox console. That's the reality.
 
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what? more than 25$ month? lol no no man. it will never ever happen to go over 20$ month for the GP top tier (netflix premium is 17.99$ after how many years?). Any Company that manages a monthly paid services know that a certain threshold cannot be exceeded before reaching a price level that causes the interest of the people to collapse. And certainly before raising the price they must make sure that the population is held back during the rise so you will never see swings for more than 2/3 $. Just take Netflix, Spotify and everything else as an example.
Total addressable market for netflix is over an order of magnitude larger than it is for console+PC games. Right now it's 18million subscribers on Gamepass (many of whom are using those $1 for 3 monhs trials like me) versus 203 million on Netflix.



It's not hard to calculate how unsustainable Gamepass currently is.

Microsoft just bought Zenimax/Bethesda for $7.5B.
At the same time they now have to pay the salaries, hardware and software license renewals, rents, etc. for all the 2300 employees working on those studios. And then on Microsoft's own studios there are another ~450 people working at 343 Industries, 200 on Coalition, 200 on Obsidian, 120 on Ninja Theory, 200 on Rare, 100 on Forza's Turn 10, 200 on Playground and around 300 distributed by their smaller studios like Double Fine.
So head count on Microsoft's XBox Games Studios totals around 4000 employees.

At an average of ~125K/year per employee (and I'm probably being super generous here), Microsoft now has around ~$500M / year of expenditure. Plus the money they need to spend on marketing all the games that are made, which in movies usually amounts to 50% of production costs but let's be generous and assume it's only 33%, so total expenditure on all of Microsoft's game development is ~$750M/year.


On the 18M subscriptions of Gamepass at $120/year, that renders them $2.1B/year. Take away the $750M/year they need to spend on 1st-party games and they get $1.35B/year.
If all that Gamepass had to offer were 1st party exclusives (that they "offer" on day one so few people actually buy those games), then they would go without making money on Gamepass for over 5 years.


But Gamepass doesn't just offer 1st party games. So now we need to subtract all the money they spend on the 3rd party exclusives which are actually the bulk of the 200 games that are included on the service (over 160 from what I see). Some games have to be expensive to keep on Gamepass, like ARK, Control, Outer Worlds, No Man's Sky, etc.
How much to we think each of these games are costing Microsoft every year to "offer" on the Gamepass subscription? Average $0.5 / year per Gamepass client (more if it's a AAA, less for Indies I imagine)? So $9M per title on 160 titles, that alone is $1.4B/year.

So on their current price scheme, Gamepass is making $2.1B/year on subscriptions. Take away $750M/year on 1st parties and $1.4B /year on Gamepass 3rd parties, and the service is losing $100M / year. And this is right after they invested $7.5B in Zenimax, are probably subsidizing every 9th gen console being sold and had to pay hundreds of millions on their R&D.



There's just no way Gamepass is sustainable, and increasing the number of subscribers will most probably increase the money they need to spend on including 3rd party games in the service. The only way for Gamepass to become a sustainable business is if they tier the offerings and charge a lot more money for the premium titles than they do now.
 

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You're kidding yourself if you don't think this sort of thing isn't happening on both sides. Is it happening more often to Xbox fans? Sure. But what do you expect when the number Xbox fans are the smallest of the big three.

I don't buy that price increases 'clearly' didn't have to happen quite yet. Budgets are all over the place, there are companies that could probably afford to keep prices at $20 forever. Doing something like this at the start of a generation makes more sense than increasing prices at some random point in the generation. It may actually increase the chances that businesses take risks or deliver bigger experiences knowing that they have some additional revenue to plan on.

People have short memories. From March 2020 to November 2020 there were daily fud threads about ps5. Nothing but pure unfiltered fud, made up facts and trolling. Once the consoles launched those trolls were silenced. Even now in the ps5 die thread has rnda1 crap still.

These hurt feeling xboys gave nothing but a chip on their shoulder and a percussion complex:
 

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You know, a couple of months ago I'd smile when I saw someone refer to Demons Souls as some sort of PS5 exclusive. I'd think to myself "These kids are just too young to remember the PS3. Lol"

Now I can't help but cringe a bit when I see it. Imagine being desperate as to pretend a decade old game remake is some sort of banging exclusive. 😬

It wouldn't be nearly so bad if things weren't looking progressively worse for PS5 owners over the next year. While the XBS released with no current gen exclusives, it didn't pretend to, but all indications still point to Flight Simulator and Halo Infinite releasing this year.

That's quite different from the PS5. While it also released with no current gen exclusives, rather than admitting shortcomings... Sony instead chose to use smoke and mirrors to hide them. First they pretended that Demons Souls didn't release on the PS3 a decade ago, and simply claimed a remake as an entirely new game... Exclusive to the the PS5. While Astros Playroom is obviously a tech demo for the dualsense controller, they attempted to push it as though it were an actual game. It was likely at this point that the higher ups at Playstation looked at one another and said "Ya know, this might just work". Better to be safe than sorry though. So just to be sure, they apparently decided to pull the expansion for their last gen exclusive Spiderman, in order to put it exclusively on the PS5. The only available reason being so that they could now charge double the price for it.

Had I bought a PS5, I'd feel burned having bought into all that. By the looks of it, things only get worse for the next year, as game after game gets pushed further and further into the future. We're almost at the point where PS5 owners will be lucky to get anything even the coming holiday season, much less anything before.
Flight Simulator ffs 😁.

Ultimately it's a slow start, but you have Returnal, Ratchet and Clank and Horizon out this year, aswell as Deathloop coming soon. Frankly Halo may end up being terrible looking at the series trajectory, and 343i's body of work.

Edit: Forgot Kena and Ghostwire Tokyo.
 
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