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PS5 Pro Reveal Thread - Not Flops, TFlops
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MisterXDTV
Member
Right now all my hopes are on GameStop trade-in program
800 € with no drive
Maybe GS will bundle it to for a discount. They are fucked selling an all-digital console anyway, might as well bundle the BD drive
800 € with no drive
Maybe GS will bundle it to for a discount. They are fucked selling an all-digital console anyway, might as well bundle the BD drive
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Burger King
Neo Member
I need proper graphic comparisons
daninthemix
Member
Bloodborne remaster is coming to PC Pro. Havent you heard?
DJ12
Member
It was an honest question in response to your fake outrage, but whatever.
You avoiding the actual question says enough.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
PeteBull
Member
ff16, ff7rebirth, space marine2, wukong, hogwarts legacy, obviously incoming gta6 if it looks even 50% as good as the reveal trailer, the matrix awakens demo, that first UE5 ps5 demo that only ran in 30fps with that flying section at the end, im sure there are more but thats just from the top of my head.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Most people don't have gaming PCs.
Venom Snake
Member
The times when it was profitable to release products that were good, durable and attractively priced are long gone, even more so in rapidly evolving industries
which gaming devices are part of.
The idea of constant growth coupled with demographic decline over the last few decades has called for a change in the way customers are treated and these are the effects of the model we have been forced to get used to. What we once called an "average" product is now labeled (and priced) "premium". A clever way of exploiting the middle-class mentality, but also the result of the natural adaptive evolution of markets.
Although with such margins one might wonder whether this trend is still a reflection of generational changes or more often a rip-off.
Paasei
Member
Having a good PC makes it easier to pass on this.
And before someone states that PC is all digital: Yes, it is. But even on Steam alone there are different sites that offer games for better prices. PSN does not and that is my issue.
Salty Pickle
Member
Yet that game seem to run much better on the XSX with nearly identical CPU. Hence why I believe much in that game can be further optimised. After some optimization that game can be 60 on the Pro and I have a hard time believing GTA6 is going to be heavier than that on the CPU.
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Rosoboy19
Member
So do you consider yourself a STEM nerd or a Finance bro?
(I’m just a lowly regular people)
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Salty Pickle
Member
FF16 and 7 is CPU bottlenecked, really? Wukong is potato-coded. Matrix demo seemed to be GPU bottlenecked or would you say it would run the same fps with a 4090?
I have a decent PC, but I can still think of plenty of reasons I still would want one. I also don't play PC games on a 4K TV, nor do I currently have a 4K Blu-ray player.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
The plastic stand that they need because their console wasn't made to stand normally like a normal fucking box system
Hayabusabruh
Member
I heard it can steal previously multiplats even faster.. Black Myth: Wu-GONE!!
ResilientBanana
Member
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
is this a good or a bad thing? You can't do much with a half graphics card, let alone the rest of the PC missing.
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
It is all about how you look at it.
Rob_27
Member
Is the Pro black or white. Just the drives are white...
ap_puff
Member
The 4070 Ti Super is not "half a graphics card", it's actually very solid
hemo memo
Gold Member
PS5 handles games good enough. For PS4 Pro it was the only way to play TLG at a playable framerate.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
fersnake
Member
i know your trolling but with that money i can buy a nice rtx 4070 super so i really dont get it.
PeteBull
Member
4090 cant keep solid 60 even at 720p coz matrix demo isnt optimised, got stutters/compiles shaders and got streaming issues, basically devteam focused on console optimisation and not pc optimisation.
ff16 in perf mode drops to horribly low res and still cant hold 60 on ps5, so yup, cpu is at fault, maybe ps5pr0 will help here a bit but dunno about stable 60.
topend pc can bruteforce it tho
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
no trolling just mild amusement
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The PS5 Pro isn't for you.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think a lot unfortunately do in the current economy, they might need a third.
DirtyBast8rd
Member
The Gamestop equivalent in The Netherlands and Belgium has gone tits up last week. No trade in programs over here.
King Dazzar
Member
100% agree. And, no disrespect to you using the PS5 as a blu ray player, as its fine. But the drive for PS5 is definitely not as good as my dedicated players. So for all that money...
I'll probably still get one, but I'm definitely being rogered here.
Killer8
Member
The presentation was dogshit. Digital Foundry do a far better job highlighting differences - maybe they should've just hired them to help. You don't sell this thing by doing little side-by-sides of insignificant background details in a tiny window. 9 minutes is not nearly enough time to properly explain the advantages, especially when 1/3 of that time is devoted to outlining the PS5's current performance vs fidelity dichotomy. They needed an easy mic drop moment of "why not have both?" with Pro and fumbled it hard.
They also really needed to show it off flexing its ray-tracing muscles. That's where the current consoles are very weak right now. I saw Alan Wake 2 in the sizzle reel and it's like a top 5 best looking game on the market. Showing that off with more ray-traced effects would be an easy difference that even laypeople would notice. Not this zooming into fuzzy edges bullshit that people think their TV sharpening setting will already do (and tbh they are partially right - my LG C1's sharpening is great).
There is also another problem with the presentation: DO NOT SHOW OFF PS4 PORTS AS A FLEX OF WHAT THIS CAN DO. The Last of Us Part II in 4K60, wowee! This is like what Polyphony was doing back in the early PS3 days when they were showing off demos of Gran Turismo 4, a PS2 game, running in 1080p.
It's ridiculous to show off the PS5 Pro as an upgrade to the PS5 when there is already barely anything on the PS5 showing an upgrade from the PS4. I actually laughed out loud when Cerny was touting the PS5's RDNA2 GPU as being able to render vast open worlds, and the game on screen is fucking Ghost of Tsushima which ran on a 1.84TF PS4 with a netbook CPU.
Finally they really need some sort of comparison page to really let people pick apart the details. Youtube compression destroys it all and makes it impossible to truly judge:
Do a Digital Foundry style site with screenshots people can magnify and compare. And talk up the AI upscaling every game is supposedly getting. SHOW, DON'T TELL how our old 1080p PS4 games can be enhanced to 4K.
They also really needed to show it off flexing its ray-tracing muscles. That's where the current consoles are very weak right now. I saw Alan Wake 2 in the sizzle reel and it's like a top 5 best looking game on the market. Showing that off with more ray-traced effects would be an easy difference that even laypeople would notice. Not this zooming into fuzzy edges bullshit that people think their TV sharpening setting will already do (and tbh they are partially right - my LG C1's sharpening is great).
There is also another problem with the presentation: DO NOT SHOW OFF PS4 PORTS AS A FLEX OF WHAT THIS CAN DO. The Last of Us Part II in 4K60, wowee! This is like what Polyphony was doing back in the early PS3 days when they were showing off demos of Gran Turismo 4, a PS2 game, running in 1080p.
It's ridiculous to show off the PS5 Pro as an upgrade to the PS5 when there is already barely anything on the PS5 showing an upgrade from the PS4. I actually laughed out loud when Cerny was touting the PS5's RDNA2 GPU as being able to render vast open worlds, and the game on screen is fucking Ghost of Tsushima which ran on a 1.84TF PS4 with a netbook CPU.
Finally they really need some sort of comparison page to really let people pick apart the details. Youtube compression destroys it all and makes it impossible to truly judge:
Do a Digital Foundry style site with screenshots people can magnify and compare. And talk up the AI upscaling every game is supposedly getting. SHOW, DON'T TELL how our old 1080p PS4 games can be enhanced to 4K.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
On the 2 enthusiast forums I’ve looked at (GAF and Ree) the vast majority of posters and voters in polls seem to think this product at this price point is an absolute disaster.
If that’s what the enthusiasts think this product is DOA for the casual market.
Ammogeddon
Member
Wow that’s a lot of money for a mid gen console. I used to be there day one for stuff like this but not this time.
King Dazzar
Member
Yep, I've looked at multiple fan sites and its gone down like the titanic.
Timberwolf25
Member
How the hell does this asshat have it already?
I haven't watched the vid yet, but yea, I'm salty
King Dazzar
Member
How the hell does this asshat have it already?
I haven't watched the vid yet, but yea, I'm salty
Come on man, at least watch it yourself before inflicting it on us. Tip: he doesnt have the Pro!
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
For reference:
The PS4 launched at $399 and 3 years later the PS4 Pro launched at $399 with 2.27 times the performance of the PS4.
The PS5 launched at $499 and 4 years later the PS5 Pro launched at $779 (disc drive included) with 1.7 times the performance of the PS5.
In Europe the PS5 launched at €499 and 4 years later the PS5 Pro will launch at €920 (disc drive included). The value position of the PS5 is all out of whack here in Euroland.
Crispy Gamer
Member
Anecdotal my buddy last month said hell naw to a pro console this time around but after the reveal he's all in 
makes zero sense to me but here we are, just last week ps5 was fine for him, this thing will find a large audience even at $700. I definitely wavered after that price but after a brief moment of clarity I'm in.
makes zero sense to me but here we are, just last week ps5 was fine for him, this thing will find a large audience even at $700. I definitely wavered after that price but after a brief moment of clarity I'm in.
Timberwolf25
Member
Dude just gets to play with all the shit before even most pro sites.
He actually kind of pans it even though he is going to pick it up on Day 1. Probably because he can just write off the costs
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
One of the previous rumors said it’d support Dolby Vision for video streaming apps + blu ray. Is there any confirmation of this?
Humdinger
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MisterXDTV
Member
Absolutely crazy
As I said, i hope retailers have some room to adjust the value proposition with bundles and trade-in programs...
Otherwise, they are not selling this console in Europe