The one X can play some games at 4k 60, I mean if you can't just go in anc click the high graphics settings in the configuration menu a 2070 will not work for you.. or even better, customize your settings and there will barely be any difference.that's bullshit tho, i mean yeah if you play at low-medium details maybe...
even a 2080ti suffer with a lot of heavy games at 4k60 and that gpu is 13++ tf...
thinking that 8 are enough is pure daydreaming.
my 2070super is around 9-10 tf and i can't play almost anything at 4k60 frame.
Not sure what you were watching but the gap is not bigger at all from what Cerny revealed. I don't think you have any understanding lolIt's a bigger difference than the current gen consoles. Right now you're not seeing many native 4K games on the PS4 Pro, while it's somewhat common on the X. The gap is even bigger between the new systems.
2080ti? Google says that's a 13tf gpu.To all those asshole on the speculation thread that said this would match a 2080ti...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not sure what you were watching but the gap is not bigger at all from what Cerny revealed. I don't think you have any understanding lol
nothing close - but the faster one is the series x.so to sum this up, XSX vs PS5 is the same as Xbox One X vs PS4 Pro, or worse?
Yes, by the silence.Is this confirmed?
I stopped going into the thread because of how hostile they were when I said the ps5 wouldn't match a 2080 super and would be closer to a 2070 than a 2080ti. That was months ago, and I was right once again.2080ti? Google says that's a 13tf gpu.
Never mind that. The latest speculation the past week or two increased to 14 and even 15 tf.
It even got specific where someone said "up to 15.05 tf"I stopped going into the thread because of how hostile they were when I said the ps5 wouldn't match a 2080 super and would be closer to a 2070 than a 2080ti. That was months ago, and I was right once again.
Yes, by the silence.
With MS touting VRS as loudly as they have RT, if Sony had VRS they would have said so. Till this point Sony has never mentioned VRS, and they would of if they had it. Its a big thing.
days gone is literally the last big playstation exclusive and the framerate dance more than a professional ballerina even on pro and even after numerous patches, so yeah...Obsession with tflops is so dumb, consoles are so optimized the idea that titles would be allowed to perform with frame rate drops in this day and age is goofy. Mark my words, this will be no big deal. I'm liking their SSD and expandable storage~
realistically i think most of the games are gonna be 4k30 frame except for halo,gears, forza, gt, frenetic fps and driving-sports games.The one X can play some games at 4k 60, I mean if you can't just go in anc click the high graphics settings in the configuration menu a 2070 will not work for you.. or even better, customize your settings and there will barely be any difference.
But it's very possible that there will be many games that target 4k 30
I mean, look at what they get out of the base PS4 after all this time. we can get 4k60 with improved graphics and interaction next gen on this console.
I think everyone should wait and see the difference in performance because they were very different approaches between the two consoles. I bet 3rd party games will still run almost exactly the same, not like between X and Pro and I guarantee with that PS5 SSD, the Playstation Exclusives will be much more advanced and be able to push the boundaries a lot more. I think with the PS5 SSD, the series X will actually hold it back with 3rd party titles being double the speed of Series X SSD. It does really make a difference with how they develop games. The 12.1 v 10.3 Teraflop debate is ridiculous. It doesn't necessarily mean the Series X is so much more powerful.
Stop spreading FUD. Rdna 2 has VRS.
AMD's Next-Gen RDNA2 Radeon RX "Navi 2x" GPUs To Feature 50% Better Performance Per Watt, HW-Accelerated Ray Tracing, VRS And More
AMD has just announced that its next-gen RDNA2 based Radeon RX "Navi 2x' GPU family will feature 50% better performance per watt than RDNA1.www.google.com
And Sony will still have the best looking exclusives
Of course Sony could make a machine with better specs, but it's all about the price tag
$400 vs $500 makes all the difference
I'm not sure how substantial it will end up being in practice, so I'll wait until I see them in action to make my own mind, "fair" may not be enough to sway me... depending on what you mean by "fair".sex it's gonna have a fair advantage in all multy games.
eh, maybe for lighter titles, surely not for their open world or heavy games like gow2 or tlou3.I'm not sure how substantial it will end up being in practice, so I'll wait until I see them in action to make my own mind, "fair" may not be enough to sway me... depending on what you mean by "fair".
I hope Sony will have more 60fps first party games, I'm tired of 30fps games.
For the expansion there's no SSD with such speed..and at low price...OK let's see the hardware comparison:
CPU = I would say even, Xbox clocked just 8% higher
GPU = Xbox better, more CU, locked frequencies ( about 25% more power)
RAM = Playstation better (no bottleneck in bandwidth, same size)
SSD = Playstion MUCH better (129% faster)
Expansion = Playstation better (No proprietary hardware required)
Audio= I guess PS5 will be better, but I'm not sure
What did I miss?
And while it's likely PS5 has VRS, it's not been confirmed.
PS5 is "based on" RDNA2, which doesn't mean it will include every feature used by all RDNA 2 products. For example, MS's (guaranteed) 12 TF RDNA 2 implementation uses a MS patented VRS implementation.
PS5 doesn't. PS 5 is CUSTOM RDNA 2. After how wrong you have been this entire period, you may want to sit this out.Stop spreading FUD. Rdna 2 has VRS.
AMD's Next-Gen RDNA2 Radeon RX "Navi 2x" GPUs To Feature 50% Better Performance Per Watt, HW-Accelerated Ray Tracing, VRS And More
AMD has just announced that its next-gen RDNA2 based Radeon RX "Navi 2x' GPU family will feature 50% better performance per watt than RDNA1.www.google.com
PS5 doesn't. PS 5 is CUSTOM RDNA 2. After how wrong you have been this entire period, you may want to sit this out.
OK! You misunderstood my post, The X is obviously a more powerful console but not by much. If you know anything about how games are developed, it depends how they use the hardware. When you look at the GPU, CPU and RAM specs on paper, yes the X is more powerful. But in practice it's very different and that SSD is going to play a major role in how they develop games. If they develop a 3rd party title with the SSD for the Series X in mind and not utilise the additional speed of the PS5 then in theory, it could hold the PS5 back in some aspects. I don't think you realise how important the SSD is regarding performance and how games are developed around it.OK! XSX is now going to hold back PS5, despite it having 2-3 more TF, a faster CPU, and generally faster RAM. Whatever makes you sleep easier at night!
Well i guess i was implying release titles~Don’t we see frame rate drops all the time today?
Using 10.3 as baseline. XSX is exactly 18% more TFs at 12.155. Or 1.855 TFs more which is 18% of 10.3.
12.155/10.3 = x1.18009 more TFs
Using 12.155 as baseline. PS5 is ~15.26% less TFs at 10.3.
10.3/12.155 = x0.8473 more TFs... or 1 - 0.8473 = x0.1526 less TFs
This is the best case boosted perf difference.. I don't think we know the min performance TFs of PS5. He mentioned 10% which would be 1.03 TFs less down to 9.27.
No VRS for PS5, and those thinking it will be a $100 cheaper are in for another rude shock.
The money it takes to get a SSD to run that quick is more than the extra die space to fit an extra 16CUs on it, not to mention the extra cooling cost to stop a 2.2ghz GPU from catching fire.
For the expansion there's no SSD with such speed..and at low price...
The Xbox version match the internal specs
I don't know wich one Is better
That will change in time. And you won't be forced to buy a proprietary expansion card
Also the Xbox "expansion card" matches the internal specs only because the specs are way slower......
Probably, but I'm going to wait to see it in motion. I assume this will make for entire cities accessible.SSD is the game changer, the speed after a certain point is a waste of money.
so they gimped their console for a fucking BC? i can't believe this...
if this is the case then why microsoft have far better BC for now and still a 12tf machine...I’m not saying that’s what happened. I’m saying that’s how it looks to me right now. Sony needs a smooth transition from PS4 to PS5 and backwards compatibility is a huge part of that.
I think Sony couldve dropped that feature, put out a 12tf console (not a 9tf console that sometimes hits 10.28), shown HZD 2 and gotten a smooth transition notwithstanding.
I think Sony got caught looking over their shoulder a bit too much here.
Did I claim PS5 was 9.2?What was I wrong about again? Looks to me PS5 isn’t 9.2TF like you were claiming. Since you are claiming PS5 doesn’t have VRS, show proof.
Wonder if anyone has the balls to call him out over it. Most likely a ban if they do. Havent even seen anyone bring up Klee over there yet.It’s funny how Matt the mod from era said don’t look into the GitHub info. What a joke
Ya it’s funny how silent the talk is about them there lol. No one has the balls to call these fuckers out.Wonder if anyone has the balls to call him out over it. Most likely a ban if they do. Havent even seen anyone bring up Klee over there yet.
I don't know what the hell's going on, but Sony looks weak for the first time in 25 years. After a console that sold 100 million, they shouldn't have come like that. Not cool, not fucking cool. Screw the console design. I see a Sony that is completely embedded on exclusive games. They're going to lose the multiplatform base this time. Xbox, which could not even produce high quality games, was re-incorporated into the competition thanks to Sony.
Of course he'll say that. Tons of Sony fans there.It’s funny how Matt the mod from era said don’t look into the GitHub info. What a joke
if this is the case then why microsoft have far better BC for now and still a 12tf machine...
From what I’m hearing it’s because MS has software based backwards compatibility. It’s not tied to the hardware and can just automatically improve the performance of older games without any additional coding.
it seems that M is doing all the right choices with their console.From what I’m hearing it’s because MS has software based backwards compatibility. It’s not tied to the hardware and can just automatically improve the performance of older games without any additional coding.
Sony’s backward compatibility appears to require specific hardware support and that may have lead to some sacrifices.
Crazy thing is that apparently they stuck with 36 CUs to make BC easier, and yet they can t even get that right. Meanwhile MS is adding HDR, FPS and resolution at will to games going back to OG Xbox.From what I’m hearing it’s because MS has software based backwards compatibility. It’s not tied to the hardware and can just automatically improve the performance of older games without any additional coding.
Sony’s backward compatibility appears to require specific hardware support and that may have lead to some sacrifices.