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Md Ray
Member
Does that make you upset?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
The point is that the list is totally arbitrary, at least in some places incorrect and it is just another console warring thread trying to make up metrics to turn a disadvantage that PS5 has over XSX into a supposed advantage. There are a multitude of factors going into file sizes (e.g. texture quality, included languages in the install, compression algorithm used, update version, possibly included dlcs in the base install, used plug ins) that vary on a per title basis and are not intrinsically tied to the hardware platform that such a comparison is just bullshit. On a per title basis or a complete database on install sizes, this could serve a purpose (i.e. giving one more point of comparison to decide where to buy a multiplatform game as a multi console owner), but the way it is framed here, as a point of comparison between the two consoles, it really is just a very weak console warrior thread.
PropellerEar
Member
Are you sure you didn't accidentally gold yourself?Thanks for the gold, stranger!
SmurfMustard
Member
I don't think anyone is really upset, but thank you kindly for asking.
I guess, what a lot of people don't like is posting some unverified reddit post and then after the fact asking people to help him correct that mess. It would have been more honest to do it the other way around, by asking for install sizes that user here have on their system. Then, with enough input, make a list.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I think people need to understand that in both cases, filesize can slightly differ due to language packs, at least XSX is downloading the language you have set in system settings. And like I see from screenshots, you can do it manually on PS5.
There is a rumor that the gen-aware games, have both version in the package, since they are exactly same size on X1 and S|X...
There is a rumor that the gen-aware games, have both version in the package, since they are exactly same size on X1 and S|X...
Dodkrake
Banned
FranXico
Member
You can also use external USB SSDs with the PS5.
PropellerEar
Member
Theres even a marketing term for it... SmartDelivery™
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TBiddy
Member
I find it amusing that people attackBo_Hazem for posting a table, with a source, and then being open to correcting it, while being completely ok with tons of bullshit threads with no proof whatsoever and / or incorrect data that has been proven wrong, but never edited by the OP.
Who are these "people" you are referring to?
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Oh yeah, I forgot...
Bernd Lauert
Banned
He qualified the table with "hard data, no speculation", and for obvious reasons people called him out on it. No big deal.I find it amusing that people attack
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I find it amusing that people attack
I think befor posting the data which makes them PS5 look massively better with instal sizes there should of been so research done. As people have posted the xbox games sizes are wrong and yes the majority are still smaller instal own PS5 they are way overblown on size for xbox. People right to call out something that isn’t right. I hope its done in all threads where its proved wrong. No issue with
Bo_Hazem
posting it but when proved its wrong we move onWerewolfgrandma
Banned
If the point of the thread is to show ps5 compression is better, it doesn't show that. The only thing it shows is ps5 game sizes are smaller. Half these games are smaller on PC than on Xbox.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
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FranXico
Member
Dodkrake
Banned
I think before posting the data which makes them PS5 look massively better with instal sizes there should of been so research done. As people have posted the xbox games sizes are wrong and yes the majority are still smaller instal own PS5 they are way overblown on size for xbox. People right to call out something that isn’t right. I hope its done in all threads where its proved wrong. No issue with
Just because you think, it doesn't mean others do.
This was not a callout. There's downright downplaying and pretty strong accusations on this thread. Don't be selective with your arguments.
Go read the thread. First page.
FatKingBallman
Banned
Just a quick check on my xbox and Tony Hawl is actually 22GB on Xbox
screenshot from reddit but I have verified it on my console as well
Mass Effect isn't a next-gen upgrade. It's a BC title.
Team Andromeda
Member
yeah one
Low Moral Fibre
Member
I don't have many of these on PC but Avengers is 71.58GB on PC and Dirt 5 is 38.43GB on PC so smaller than both consoles.
That does not matter as both are in hardware. So it does not really matter which one is faster on the CPU
.Also it is always a question what the parameters for the benches are and what kind of data was used. But as it is now special hardware that makes up for this, that does not matter anymore. Only the average compression ratio and hardware-limited speed are the important specs.
Am I the only one who still thinks that 22GB for 2 really old games with new graphics is still big?
Just a quick check on my xbox and Tony Hawl is actually 22GB on Xbox
screenshot from reddit but I have verified it on my console as well
Do you also have Hitman 1&2? Than you might also have installed those games with Hitman 3. I always made the mistake and installed Hitman 1 & Hitman 2 with all addons. And all addons means that both have also all levels of Hitman 1 & 2 installed ...Don't know how to take a screenshot of the XSX dashboard but here is Hitman 3 with everything installed.
I think at least some of the difference is the fact that PS5 just installs English for me where there is a choice. Maybe XSX is just installing everything which is clearly not ideal when SSD space is limited but maybe not indicative of better compression.
well not optimal until you realize that you must only install one of those games to play them all.
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Rossco EZ
Member
Control Ultimate Edition Hitman 3 Subnautica Crash Bandicoot 4 Tony Hawk Marvel’s Avengers AC Valhalla Watch Dogs Legion Immortals Fenyx Rising Borderlands 3 Dirt 5 Mortal Shell NBA 2K21* Total
*Updated data provided in the replies here.
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Kraken compression combined with Oodle Texture is showing great benefits on PS5 so far, even surpassing expectations by turning around the table making it have the biggest storage space virtually.
Kraken Vs ZLIB: 29% Smaller Game Sizes Losslessly, 297% Faster Decompression on PS5
Kraken VS ZLIB: According to the official graph by RAD Game Tools, Kraken has 29% higher compression ratio over ZLIB (used in PS4 and other platforms), and does it 3-5x faster (doesn't really concern us as gamers, only good for devs). Both Kraken and ZLIB are lossless compressions, meaning data...www.neogaf.com
EDIT: Deleted Series S as some games are reported to be smaller than the X version.
Lone Wolf
Member
Yeah I’ve been crying all night.
Bo_Hazem
Gold Dealer
Added to the OP. Thanks for your contribution.
I find it amusing that people attack
I deal with children in a daily basis as a teacher, so I'm used to it.
I think befor posting the data which makes them PS5 look massively better with instal sizes there should of been so research done. As people have posted the xbox games sizes are wrong and yes the majority are still smaller instal own PS5 they are way overblown on size for xbox. People right to call out something that isn’t right. I hope its done in all threads where its proved wrong. No issue with
What kinda research? If there is something wrong someone points it out and I edit, most of the threads lack the least amount of needed research to begin with.
That does not matter as both are in hardware. So it does not really matter which one is faster on the CPU
Also it is always a question what the parameters for the benches are and what kind of data was used. But as it is now special hardware that makes up for this, that does not matter anymore. Only the average compression ratio and hardware-limited speed are the important specs.
Am I the only one who still thinks that 22GB for 2 really old games with new graphics is still big?
That is faster by nature whether it's on CPU or decompressor. Also the Kraken decompressor on PS5 is equivalent of 9x Zen2 cores and totally independent vs the ZLIB decompressor on XSX is equivalent to 4x Zen2 cores + needs assist from the CPU. So in reality it's much bigger than 297% for Kraken here. But Kraken can be used on XSX to close the gap.
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TBiddy
Member
Do these people also admit on being "OK with tons of bullshit threads with no proof whatsoever and / or incorrect data that has been proven wrong, but never edited by the OP" or did you just make that up? I assume the latter, but feel free to prove me wrong.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
Yeah that is everything I could install including all the Hitman 1 and 2 stuff as I played through from Hitman 1 to Hitman 3.
Currently it seems that the biggest difference in game size is the fault of the delivery system used by the developer. Some developers just roll out versions that just adds packages to the xbox one version (no redownload required if you use the downloaded game on any of the consoles) or use the packaging of the PC version. We will see the real differences in game size once the old consoles are no longer supported and games are only packed for those two consoles.
Control Ultimate Edition Hitman 3 Subnautica Crash Bandicoot 4 Tony Hawk Marvel’s Avengers AC Valhalla Watch Dogs Legion Immortals Fenyx Rising Borderlands 3 Dirt 5 Mortal Shell NBA 2K21* Total
*Updated data provided in the replies here.
Original source:
Kraken compression combined with Oodle Texture is showing great benefits on PS5 so far, even surpassing expectations by turning around the table making it have the biggest storage space virtually.
Kraken Vs ZLIB: 29% Smaller Game Sizes Losslessly, 297% Faster Decompression on PS5
Kraken VS ZLIB: According to the official graph by RAD Game Tools, Kraken has 29% higher compression ratio over ZLIB (used in PS4 and other platforms), and does it 3-5x faster (doesn't really concern us as gamers, only good for devs). Both Kraken and ZLIB are lossless compressions, meaning data...
EDIT: Deleted Series S as some games are reported to be smaller than the X version.
Why the heck is NBA 2k21 so big? ... I thought this was a basketball game after all ... must have long levels now and be very rich in variety of assets.
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Bo_Hazem
Gold Dealer
For NBA 2K21 it's pretty strange, but could be using high quality audio (licensed music)?
Titanfall Dev Explains The Game's 35 GB of Uncompressed Audio
Respawn says Titanfall‘s gargantuan file size is so they can dedicate more system resources to running the game. PC gamers (especially those with SSDs) were puzzled to find out that Titanfall had a gargantuan 48 GB file size, despite the lack of a single player campaign and the fact that it was...
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assurdum
Banned
In your dreams maybe.
oO never heard of this. Didn't know that there is ingame audio data that is still uncompressed ... really don't know if this is less resource intensive, as this can be streaming intensive for the good old HDDs. Also audio decompression is not really very cpu intensive (not even for jaguar cpus) and is an optimal use-case for multi core-systems while most games did not really use all of the cores all the time. Really a strange decision. But with Titanfall it was the old half life 2 engine. Maybe it just wasn't so multi-core focused after all.For NBA 2K21 it's pretty strange, but could be using high quality audio (licensed music)?
Titanfall Dev Explains The Game's 35 GB of Uncompressed Audio
Respawn says Titanfall‘s gargantuan file size is so they can dedicate more system resources to running the game. PC gamers (especially those with SSDs) were puzzled to find out that Titanfall had a gargantuan 48 GB file size, despite the lack of a single player campaign and the fact that it was...
Bo_Hazem
Gold Dealer
That one is of course pretty old, but gives an idea that audio can be pretty large as well. Using high quality audio should help as well with sound effects for proper locality and clarity on the headset.
That 35GB was ridiculous, but here we are with COD making outrageous sizes that aren't justified by the visuals nor the size of the maps. Also all data is compressed losslessly with Kraken or ZLIB as well on current gen at least, which is 29% smaller with Kraken as well. Last gen games had shit audio anyway, PS3 was much better than PS4 in terms of audio, perfect actually, that's why they're using SPU-like GPU compute unit with no caches for the Tempest 3D Audio engine.
Next week Bo gonna do a thread on how long the pack in HDMI and Power cords are…
Gotta keep the investors happy
Gotta do what I gotta do to put food on the table.
MasterCornholio
Member
You mean Kraken and Oodles?
Yes those can be used on Xbox but the PS5s decompressor is supposedly more powerful. I'm guessing if there's a reason why they are not using it is because the decompressor in the Series console takes longer to decompress those types of formats.
It's all that I can think of to why Microsoft doesn't include Kraken or Oodle Textures. They have reasons for using Zlib and BCpak instead.
MastaKiiLA
Member
2k21 is a large game. It has open-world stuff now, and lots of high-resolution assets for create a player/team/shoes/etc. It's more than just a basketball game nowadays, somewhat to its detriment. They screwed up the shot meter this year, but that's unrelated to the file size. Just a gripe I always have to vent about.
MasterCornholio
Member
Bo_Hazem
Gold Dealer
Actually Kraken works perfectly with ZLIB decompressor as well. PS5's decompressor is dedicated Kraken decompressor and should work better plus being more than twice as powerful and independent, but XSX should have the exact game sizes as PS5 when Kraken is used and it'll decompress 297% faster than ZLIB according to RAD Tools:
But it's provided for free for the devs on PS4/5, and ZLIB is the only thing available for free on XSX but devs can use/license Oodle Kraken if they want to. Also now Unreal Engine should have both Oodle Kraken and Oodle Texture packaged with the engine as Epic Games have acquired RAD Tools recently.
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geordiemp
Member
Bo_Hazem
Gold Dealer
Hope you're doing great, mate. Excited week! Hope Man United snatches the Europa League Cup tonight!
Dodkrake
Banned
Moving the goalpost, I see. Watch out, soon the goal post will be outfield.
MasterCornholio
Member
Actually Kraken works perfectly with ZLIB decompressor as well. PS5's decompressor is dedicated Kraken decompressor and should work better plus being more than twice as powerful and independent, but XSX should have the exact game sizes as PS5 when Kraken is used and it'll decompress 297% faster than ZLIB according to RAD Tools:
But it's provided for free for the devs on PS4/5, and ZLIB is the only thing available for free on XSX but devs can use/license Oodle Kraken if they want to. Also now Unreal Engine should have both Oodle Kraken and Oodle Texture packaged with the engine as Epic Games have acquired RAD Tools recently.
Maybe I'm just understanding the strength of decompressor wrong. I always thought it helped determine the speed of decompression.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Another gold for Bo incoming. He can't keep getting away with it.Next week Bo gonna do a thread on how long the pack in HDMI and Power cords are…
Gotta keep the investors happy
Bo_Hazem
Gold Dealer
Yes it helps a lot with the speed of the decompression process. Kraken is 297% faster than ZLIB on equal grounds, not on PS5 vs XSX. Game sizes are pre-compressed so it should usually have relatively similar sizes on both consoles with minor differences when used on both. I think Capcom is using Kraken for RE8 in both consoles, hence similar sizes.
MasterCornholio
Member
Very interesting observation. It could help explain why there's that difference in load times with them. Could show how much better the PS5s decompressor is for kraken then the Series one.
TBiddy
Member
What? I literally quoted your post. You complained about "people attacking Bo_Hazem, while being ok with tons of bullshit threads". I then asked, who are these people that attack Bo_Hazem, while being ok with tons of bullshit threads?
Oh man, i can't wait to hear your opinion on a DF thread when they give the upper hand to xbox. If you think these are pretty strong accusations, you're in for a ride. If it is against other members, then i can refer you to the latest thread about GP madeby David Jaffe.
