Game is getting worse (and not better) over the years, in my opinion at least. But looking at some threads from other veteran players, I feel like I wasn't alone when I quit playing/watching.
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PUBG has #1 peak population on Steam beating out Dota 2 & CSGO
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Game is getting worse (and not better) over the years, in my opinion at least. But looking at some threads from other veteran players, I feel like I wasn't alone when I quit playing/watching.
Raylan Targaryen
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already close to The International numbers with the first tournament
just the spectating sucks right now. they need to improve that
you're looking at the wrong numbers. Look at the "Without Chinese viewers" stat, because Chinese numbers are fake and inflated.
CountAntonius
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All pubg has to do is offer crate drops for spectating to get a legitimate huge viewership for tournaments,.
This, if they made spectating possible ingame to look what you want and add random loot drop to viewers just like in dota, pubg would have 2mil concurrent easily.
PrinnyBomb
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As LOL has already shown, the casual games will always gather a larger player base than the more intricate, "hardcore" games.
What a shame
What a shame
This is the power of an accessible game that lets you play how you want as soon as you drop from the airplane. As other people said, easy to access and hard to master.
Yes, its fun to watch and streamers helped the game success, buts its a 2 ways road. The game being good is the main factor, there are many games that stays on top of twitch for a little while then drop off, or get pushed up thanks to sponsored streams and then fall off, the game has to be good to remain there.
Before twitch existed new games with the right cards still managed to get their way to the top.
At this point, the game helps streamers to get viewers more than streamers help the game to stay on the forefront of people attention. I saw streamers that usually get 60 viewers jump to 200 thanks to PUBG. Its the snowball effect, a giant snowball. Lets give the merit to developers.
hanspampel
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i know Chinese viewer numbers are inflated to some degree.
but even without, the game is already at over 40% of the biggest Dota 2 tournament ever
it's also bigger than anything Overwatch ever did
packy34
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Publishing and developing are still 2 different things.
I'm probably way wrong but from what I've noticed, Valve emphasizes the competitive community more than the casual community or the community that is interested in things other than the mechanics of the game and patch notes which is probably detrimental to growth. Valve is the worst dev when it comes to social media presence and community engagement and it shows with their view counts, retweets and whatever other social media metric there is. I think a big part of the success of things like League of Legends, Overwatch and even Paladins is stuff like the shorts, patch and hero rundown videos, social media events/campaigns that reward people with in game stuff, etc. Valve does nothing of the sort. I was really shocked to see that a tweet about a new Rainbow 6 Siege skin had more engagement than the tweets announcing the winners of TI6 or that two new heroes are coming to Dota 2. Or how the official English video has below 1 million views.
AHA-Lambda
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Dear god o_o
FOTM game that caught on with twitch meme culture. Easy to pick up and play. Allows greifing. Allows people to be dickheads on the mic. It's the perfect game for 2017's internet.
I personally think the game lacks an insane amount of polish in both visual and sound. It's hard to take it serious.
I personally think the game lacks an insane amount of polish in both visual and sound. It's hard to take it serious.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
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Not like you're entirely wrong, but I think that's a reductive take that doesn't really take into account PUBG's sustained success. It's been the 'flavor of the month ' for almost half a year now and it's still growing.
Spot on
also, it's pretty fun.
CountAntonius
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I was never taking that away from them but the sales and growth are because of the amount of visibility twitch has given it. It's continued success it's because it's generally a really good game. These same streamers have pushed so many early access survival games to the top of the steam charts sometimes for months, They hold a lot of power. This situation is the perfect storm of big streamers and a very well made game. Like i said it's a 24 hour commercial.
Phrozenflame500
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FOTM for five months now
Raylan Targaryen
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your mistake was thinking the m stood for month and not millennium
There are only so many masochists in the world.
The games have really different markets so I don't even find the comparison interesting. I'd love to know what effect PUBG may have had on CSGO though.
It lacks some polish but its still amazing game, also its still in ea (under heavy work) so its expected its not finished yet.
Still, its better than any other game released in last few years.
No matter how much marketing is done in AAA games they dont get even close because THOSE are the shallow fotm pretty games that keeps people interested just for a bit.
paperspace
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Oh get over yourself
Head.spawn
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At it;s current rate we can probably expect PUBG to have a concurrent as high as DOTA 2's all time peak in about a month or so.
No. I wouldn't even say Dota's particularly bad about it.
High-MMR NA Heroes of Newerth was gaming's peak toxicity. To this day I wonder what the community's keyboard kill-count was.
But yeah, team game = toxicity. Team game + ranked matches for e-peen points = quadruple toxicity. Overwatch and HotS are considered comparatively very casual and I still see meltdowns and whatnot. There's no getting around it.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
"allows people to be dickheads on the mic."
yup such a shit game ugh i wish we could all get our money back
Have you played it or even watch anyone play it?
I'm not denying it's fun. I think PUBG's highs are high when it comes all together, but its lows are so damn low. My first couple of games ended in seconds because there were no guns to pick up and dying to some guy whos fully decked out and got a gun. I mean that's a very comparable opening to something like quake, but the difference is you can stand a chance in quake with movement and a base gun, in pubg you're just fucked.
CS:GO has taken a significant hit since PUBG's release, but this was already the game's trajectory so it's hard to put it all on PUBG. Valve seems rather bored with CSGO and it shows.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Yeah, it might be more difficult for someone whose first game of this sort is PUBG, to gain their bearings. As someone who's played shit loads of ARMA mods I knew what to expect day one, and more importantly, how to outplay people using little tactics I picked up during my ARMA play (constant situational awareness, using terrain as cover for movement, properly gauging my visibility at all times, looting quickly and quietly, making good use of the shittiest loot and playing around the constraints of shitty loot, etc). I could see someone without that experience having a poor time with their first few matches.
Head.spawn
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If you're getting mobbed in the first couple seconds of landing, you probably weren't paying attention to your surroundings when you were coming down.
CS:GO has taken a significant hit since PUBG's release, but this was already the game's trajectory so it's hard to put it all on PUBG. Valve seems rather bored with CSGO and it shows.
Valve never cared about CSGO at all. It's more remarkable that the game essentially can survive without a developer. You know how many people just don't play due to cheating, and all the engine issues that have plagued the game? People ask them for source 2, and they have to think about it. If CSGO received the same love as dota 2 got, it would be the perfect game, and possibly top 1.6 once and for all.
There's definitely that seemingly-correlated dip in CSGO and jump in PUBG around the same time in early July. Overall though...CSGO seems to be holding on just fine. Even though they're both shooters, they're still very different experiences, with one being a highly established e-sport and the other being a continuation of the battle royale genre.
I don't get the impression that there's a lot of overlap there.
Doters always so mad that league is more popular
paperspace
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CountAntonius
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I played it since launch and I gotta disagree. That game was genuinely awful and dead in the water before Valve got their hands on it and made it one of the greatest shooters of all time. Yes they could have done more and yes for a long while now there hasn't been much in the way of meaningful updates but to say they never cared is just silly.
no shit.
paperspace
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The thing is that I don't think League is sufficiently more easy to break into than Dota that it'd make such a big difference anyway, and the bigger playerbase comes down more to timing and marketing. That's a whole other discussion though.
If this happens to you every time, you're just not looking where you're dropping.
You can steer the freefall and parachute for a reason. Pick a zone that's yours and get armed.
I haven't been killed in the way you mention, because I tend to adapt my landing zone to the amount of people dropping. If I want instant action, i'll drop in a hugely populated area. But like you said, it's the luck of the draw. Either you come out with 0 kills and without ever finding a gun or you kill six in a row because you managed to land straight on a S12K with extended mags.
This is "What do you even do in No Man's Sky" all over again
What's not to get. Seriously, the concept could not be easier.
It just happens to make for the most intense gameplay i've ever experience. And playing it with friends makes it go from great to incredible. The variety is endless.
Interficium
Banned
If all those casuals started encroaching on your precious hardcore game, you'd complain about that too.
So many Ls being taken in this thread.
Raylan Targaryen
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Not even close. What do you do in NMS was a legit question as seen post-release. The game was a joke and probably the most refunded game ever.
Yeah lets just ignore all the performance/networking/UI enhancements dota 2 have gotten or any of the real spectator options dota 2 has received. Don't be so dense. You said it your self "Valve cares about it as much as they need to." That's simply pathetic for any game with a healthy playerbase.
I can't comment on team size, but the team didn't get replaced that's for sure.
However they did state MS is helping development and providing their resources to help develop it for xbox. It's more than just publishing.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
I desperately want to know what you're talking about.
There's -one- more 'hardcore' alternative to PUBG. That's modded ARMA III. Don't even have to explain why the 'casual' game has a larger player base than the 'hardcore' one, there.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
What is this 'hardcore' alternative to pubg?
I get that the game is good, but I don't see what makes it the new holy grail of gaming.
Its not just publishing.
As an expansion of that plans announced during E3, the "collaboration will help Bluehole accelerate console development while maintaining quality across platforms and provide resources ranging from technical to sales and marketing," according to Microsoft.
Raylan Targaryen
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For all the love and care Valve puts into Dota, Dota 2 over the past year on Steamcharts is trending downwards. CSGO has stayed the same with a slight rise in the middle.
Valve being 100% focused on CSGO doesn't mean it would be a good thing. The game is fine as it is outside of stupid ass complaints people have like Source 2, panorama ui and casual 5v5.
The one and only thing they need to worry about is how to deal with cheating. Considering people still cheat on ESEA and it's a million times more invasive than VAC could ever be, there's really nothing they can do.
Valve being 100% focused on CSGO doesn't mean it would be a good thing. The game is fine as it is outside of stupid ass complaints people have like Source 2, panorama ui and casual 5v5.
The one and only thing they need to worry about is how to deal with cheating. Considering people still cheat on ESEA and it's a million times more invasive than VAC could ever be, there's really nothing they can do.
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