I don't think there is an "original timeline", the instant Will fired his time machine, it created the perpetual loop.
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I don't think there is an "original timeline", the instant Will fired his time machine, it created the perpetual loop.
Please do.
So, Dr. Kim was playing around with the CFR and one little mistake lead him to become slowly a shifter. Before he turned, Dr. Kim locked himself inside that cell/chamber to prevent bad things from happening.
Yes, one just has to grasp that everything already happend when he hit that switch.
But I think that we don't have to go that far as Will activating the machine. The timeline of the world was set since its creation. That's at least what I'm thinking.
Ah, that makes sense. Still doesn't explain that the chamber stops him from disappearing, unless he didn't ever go full shifter but that's ok. Thanks.
Yeah I supposed that's true, since there are apparently natural time machines.
But the QB situation in my mind suggests that there are loops within loops.
Shifters can do crazy stuff, but I'm sure they, too, can't walk through walls
Edit: Or you meant "visually" disappearing. It's probably a mix of a stutter-room and chronon something something. The book mentioned the solution, but I'm way past that point. I'd take a look, but that's the problem with e-books, you can't just search through the sites and then easily go back where you were
Edit2: I marked some passages that I wanted to share here. I'll do it in a bit.
Book-stuff:
"Who in Monarch had the expertise to tweak a time machine to cause this kind of damage, and conceal it from a team of experts?"
I forgot if something like this was ever mentioned in the game; Hatch's first attempt to create chaos?
Beth quote: "Nobody gets to kill me, nobody gets to take me down. The laws of causality won't permit it." in response to Jack who said he'll try to change things in the past. She played russian roulette before saying this. She fired a couple of times and nothing happened. Then before the lethal bullet could "kill" her, Jack punched her in the face xD She said the worst she can expect is a visit to the hospital, but no death. Not before she meets herself. After that everything could kill her.
I forgot if something like this was ever mentioned in the game; Hatch's first attempt to create chaos?
Beth quote: "Nobody gets to kill me, nobody gets to take me down. The laws of causality won't permit it." in response to Jack who said he'll try to change things in the past. She played russian roulette before saying this. She fired a couple of times and nothing happened. Then before the lethal bullet could "kill" her, Jack punched her in the face xD She said the worst she can expect is a visit to the hospital, but no death. Not before she meets herself. After that everything could kill her.
Shifters can do crazy stuff, but I'm sure they, too, can't walk through walls
Edit: Or you meant "visually" disappearing. It's probably a mix of a stutter-room and chronon something something. The book mentioned the solution, but I'm way past that point. I'd take a look, but that's the problem with e-books, you can't just search through the sites and then easily go back where you were
Edit2: I marked some passages that I wanted to share here. I'll do it in a bit.
Book-stuff:
"Who in Monarch had the expertise to tweak a time machine to cause this kind of damage, and conceal it from a team of experts?"
I forgot if something like this was ever mentioned in the game; Hatch's first attempt to create chaos?
Beth quote: "Nobody gets to kill me, nobody gets to take me down. The laws of causality won't permit it." in response to Jack who said he'll try to change things in the past. She played russian roulette before saying this. She fired a couple of times and nothing happened. Then before the lethal bullet could "kill" her, Jack punched her in the face xD She said the worst she can expect is a visit to the hospital, but no death. Not before she meets herself. After that everything could kill her.
Lol where in the timeline does this Beth quote occur?
As I mentioned, it's from the book Quantum Break "Zero State".
I understand it's from the book. I'm asking where in time does that section of the book take place.
Based off of the game and what is being said it's probably after Jack gives her the gun in Will's lab convincing her about trying and before they reach the rooftops to get the counter measure from Will's workshop.
That would be my best guess.
Salty Hippo
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Me too. Didn't Hatch say (or at least suggested) on the show that he was gonna release Kim or something? Why did he never appear?
It's Hatch, because Jack had a flashback of the shifter pushing him to the ground in the Monarch tower, while Hatch talked to him at the end of the game.
New book stuff:
"Imagine if we could pause time for the terminally ill. Imagine a mortally wounded soldier, or a gravely ill loved one, suspended perfectly for as long as is needed, at the flick of a switch."
"Chronon-stasis technology keeps the patient safe within a moment that will continue to self-divide for as long as a medical technician deems it necessary. The person's condition will never deteriorate, and they will never age. If need be they can remain in that localized zero state for years, even decades, until a cure for their condition, or a donor organ, is found or can be grown."
This could be a way for Hatch to create the End of Time. All he needs to do is to lower the chronon particles in the whole world to 0 to have a global zero state.
"Take a scene like the one that terrorized this town this morning, then bracket the location with four high-strength zero-state pylons. Everyone within that bracket freezes. Time stops."
They demoed an artificial stutter on the gala. Monarch can already create a zero state in large rooms.
Media goes nuts about the stuff that happens around the world, because time-distortions are recorded on video. Objects disappearing/reappearing. The world knows that something's wrong. This could lead to chaos around the globe.
"Chronon-stasis technology keeps the patient safe within a moment that will continue to self-divide for as long as a medical technician deems it necessary. The person's condition will never deteriorate, and they will never age. If need be they can remain in that localized zero state for years, even decades, until a cure for their condition, or a donor organ, is found or can be grown."
This could be a way for Hatch to create the End of Time. All he needs to do is to lower the chronon particles in the whole world to 0 to have a global zero state.
"Take a scene like the one that terrorized this town this morning, then bracket the location with four high-strength zero-state pylons. Everyone within that bracket freezes. Time stops."
They demoed an artificial stutter on the gala. Monarch can already create a zero state in large rooms.
Media goes nuts about the stuff that happens around the world, because time-distortions are recorded on video. Objects disappearing/reappearing. The world knows that something's wrong. This could lead to chaos around the globe.
I think I'm gonna have to pickup this book
I'd fully recommend it for the alternative take on the story. It's another timeline/universe where things played out differently. As a Quantum Break-fan it's definitely a good read.
Edit: I just played through the section where Jack travels to 2010. When he's in that time machine and walks through it, there are some people walking through him. One person wears a brown coat, one wears a suit and one is Paul Serene. Who are the others?
I got these Alan Wake pictures from the blackboard folks might like
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Aye, when the pause button does nothing but the big xbox button pauses and stops everything.
I like that too!
I completely glossed over this during my first playthrough... Weren't there some people walking through in 2016 when he and Will went through? I'll have to check that out too!
There are a lot of details that one only finds when really looking for them in a second+ playthrough.
Finally finished the game. Boss fight took a few tries to figure out, but I finally realized he sets off the blasts in different areas the second time...haha.
So, that post credits scene? DLC or sequel?
I want more!!! Amazing game.
Can't wait to do a second play-through. It will take a heck of a game to dethrone this as my GOTY.
So, that post credits scene? DLC or sequel?
I want more!!! Amazing game.
Can't wait to do a second play-through. It will take a heck of a game to dethrone this as my GOTY.
burger_shot56
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remind me why Beth couldn't return to the future after Amaral sent her to 1999? (and after warning William and little-Beth about everything) the time machine was there
I think she wanted to ensure that Will was able to create the counter measure, and she wanted to continue on with she and Jack's plan to 'steal' it.
When Beth got to the year 1999 she realized that she had to do things as they went(telling Will to create the Counter Measure; giving her younger self a purpose etc.) She could have done some things later on, that's a possibility. On Paul's timeline boards at the end, he has a sticky note in 2009 where something like "mysterious girl has not been seen for 4 years" is written on.
Samurai G0SU
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I just have so many questions after beating the game.
The being who jack seen tearing the people up. Hatch? But we seen him get a knife into his eye in the live action scene after act 4.
But where did hatch's body go when we got there? Only one body was there.
Did he leave that note for jack when we went into pauls office? Wonder how many "shifters there are" and werent those srops... Just got to the end of credits. Hatch is alive wtf!!!???? Omg
Where did paul go after the whole incident where william was left there talking about the fracture - so crazy man!!!
Why did he tell beth he will come back for her? Is he an monarch doing the interview to get closer to them so they can build a new time machine? Isnt it still working?
I was typing this as i let the credits roll. Lol
The being who jack seen tearing the people up. Hatch? But we seen him get a knife into his eye in the live action scene after act 4.
But where did hatch's body go when we got there? Only one body was there.
Did he leave that note for jack when we went into pauls office? Wonder how many "shifters there are" and werent those srops... Just got to the end of credits. Hatch is alive wtf!!!???? Omg
Where did paul go after the whole incident where william was left there talking about the fracture - so crazy man!!!
Why did he tell beth he will come back for her? Is he an monarch doing the interview to get closer to them so they can build a new time machine? Isnt it still working?
I was typing this as i let the credits roll. Lol
I finished the game earlier. Absolutely loved it, the live action stuff worked really well, I was really worried they'd be a terrible tie in. I nearly finished this in one sitting, if I hadn't made plans last night I probably would have done. Hooked completely.
I was blown away by so much, the story, the acting, the characters, the visuals (IQ issues be damned).. Even just the little things like objects being interactive when frozen in time and the particles being frozen mid animation. One of the coolest looking games I've played in a long while.
So many questions though... I've been reading through the thread and I have been wrapping my head around some stuff. I had suspicions about there being more to Hatch than met the eye, especially after he dealt with the security escort solo. So him being a shifter makes sense. But like someone else asked.. Why was Jack being questioned? When? Who by? What for? Is everyone agreed on the fact time will still end? What was the point of it all :O
I wish there had been one final live action segment that gave more resolution. It was certainly left with a lot of threads hanging loose.
I was blown away by so much, the story, the acting, the characters, the visuals (IQ issues be damned).. Even just the little things like objects being interactive when frozen in time and the particles being frozen mid animation. One of the coolest looking games I've played in a long while.
So many questions though... I've been reading through the thread and I have been wrapping my head around some stuff. I had suspicions about there being more to Hatch than met the eye, especially after he dealt with the security escort solo. So him being a shifter makes sense. But like someone else asked.. Why was Jack being questioned? When? Who by? What for? Is everyone agreed on the fact time will still end? What was the point of it all :O
I wish there had been one final live action segment that gave more resolution. It was certainly left with a lot of threads hanging loose.
Samurai G0SU
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Yeah you only know about that lady asking the questions by reading the emails.
I gathered that it was one of the peeps mentioned in emails but I never fully paid attention to the names and such. Still never explains what the purpose of the interview is
Samurai G0SU
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I gathered that it was one of the peeps mentioned in emails but I never fully paid attention to the names and such. Still never explains what the purpose of the interview is
True that. Like how did he get there and why? Lol
Hatch just confuses me. He went back/forward into time due to an anaomoly found in a cave somewhere?
That note revealed a lot of stuff we dont know about. Seems like this game only scratches the surface.
LukasTaves
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Hatch was a shifter, the files say that it's like a shifter is like he is combined with multiple versions of himself (like his past and future versions are combined in one, perhaps even from other timelines), and the only way to kill a shifter is basically killing all those versions at once in some continuous damage or something like that.
Shifters can only exist in time stutters. Hatch used am cronum based eye drop that allowed him to be normal and exist in regular time.
I believe paul became a shifter in the end as well, which is why he also disappears when the countermeasure is used and fixes time.
Because he still thinks he can change things.
They don't say why he was at the interview or working with Monarch, but I guess we can imply it's so he can save beth, which probably causes the 2021 end of time.
Samurai G0SU
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Oh yeah huh. All this stuff just happens within a week or something right?
Thanks explaining it to me. I thought i seen some intel on those eye dropa but totally forgot the purpose.
So cool. Many more shifters will pop up through these events then?
Thanks explaining it to me. I thought i seen some intel on those eye dropa but totally forgot the purpose.
So cool. Many more shifters will pop up through these events then?
CrazedArabMan
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So I have something that is bothering me and I don't know if it was mentioned here at all. When Will and Jack go back to activate the counter measure at the end of the game, it is around 1 hour before Past Jack, Beth, and
arrive to see if the counter measure is there. The only problem is what exactly happened to Will and Jack? Technically wouldn't there be now two Jack's (the one with Beth and Nick and the one with Will)? And wouldn't they have probably ran into each other since it was only an hour separating those two events at the pool? This is literally the only thing bothering me about the story/plot, everything else is just fantastic. Hopefully I worded that decently enough. Time travel can be so confusing.
Nick for life
Jack and Will travelled to the future before activating the CFR. That's why when Jack, Beth, and Nick arrive, the time machine is in need repair.
Remember: Will knew Jack came from the future, so he didn't want to activate the CFR in the present. He knew it wouldn't work, since in Jack's future, the fracture wasn't closed. His solution was to travel forward to Jack's original time and activate it.
And yes, there is a period of time where there are two Jack's. Just before you save Will, the game showcases some of the simultaneous actions of Present Jack and Future Jack.
The two Jack's did nearly come face to face, during a stutter, but present Jack was unconscious and being dragged to a van.
Lol, the same thing crossed my mind then too... But the timecop theory really is a liberal reappropriation of physics principles.
CrazedArabMan
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Whoops, I totally forgot that they traveled back to present time before the final boss battle. Everything else I knew but somehow I totally forgot about that, that clears it up nicely.
SmartWaffles
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The entire storyline happens within a day, precisely from 4:15am October 9th, 2016, to approx. 8am October 10th, 2016.
Samurai G0SU
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My mind is blown.
Samurai G0SU
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I really hope there is DLC on the way that has us play up to the events of "end of time".
the ending after the credits shows that the story definetly continues.
It's more clearer to me that hatch can change time in the past since if he gets killed in our timeline he still is alive in the future as if it didnt happen. IDK, but he does say he has died plenty of times in his note, so idk. so much mystery still.
the ending after the credits shows that the story definetly continues.
It's more clearer to me that hatch can change time in the past since if he gets killed in our timeline he still is alive in the future as if it didnt happen. IDK, but he does say he has died plenty of times in his note, so idk. so much mystery still.
So here's my unresolved thoughts on plot points:
*Why did the end of time come so much faster than Serene predicted? I guess if we accept that you can't change things and the end of time wasn't caused by (this) fracture, it's possible he just extrapolated from point A to B and he was off by that factor, but I felt like we're missing something.
*Why is Ogawa working with Hatch? Everyone else we see Hatch basically manipulates, but I was surprised re-reading the office emails that Hatch basically spells out "here's how we doom the lifeboat protocol!" to Ogawa. What does she get out of it? I feel like she's basically the weakest character since she's only ever talking to Jack in the questioning capacity.
*Why did the end of time come so much faster than Serene predicted? I guess if we accept that you can't change things and the end of time wasn't caused by (this) fracture, it's possible he just extrapolated from point A to B and he was off by that factor, but I felt like we're missing something.
*Why is Ogawa working with Hatch? Everyone else we see Hatch basically manipulates, but I was surprised re-reading the office emails that Hatch basically spells out "here's how we doom the lifeboat protocol!" to Ogawa. What does she get out of it? I feel like she's basically the weakest character since she's only ever talking to Jack in the questioning capacity.
The end of time didn't come faster than he predicted. He knew a fracture occurred in 2016, and Monarch that this fracture was responsible for what he saw in 2021. He has no insight on what takes place between 2016 and 2021. No one does.
Many if the Monarch researchers assumed that the stutters that were occurring in 2016, were pertinent to what was seen in 2021, and so they started questioning the veracity of Serene's predictions.
Ogawa's motivations may become clearer if we ever get a sequel.
Samurai G0SU
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So, serene went to 2021 and seen the end of time and comes back. He ddint die and now is a shifter. I wish i took more time to read the time-lines serene wrote on the long wall of white boards. there were 2 sections per year right?
Please remedy, please give me more.
Please remedy, please give me more.
The only thing I could think of offhand is this:
- From Serene's POV, they couldn't fix things. Time couldn't be changed, etc. So, his models and experience show a fixed amount of Chronal energy to save.
- From Joyce's POV, he saved his brother and was able to "alter" time in a way. Things still occured to match up with Serene's timeline, but he was ultimately able to fix the fracture. So, Serene's timeline is no more.
Long story short.. when Joyce went back again after saving his brother, he caused a huge confrontation with Monarch resulting in the expediture of a lot of chronal energy to stop him. That's where the shortage comes from, IMO.
I don't think that's exactly right. There's no reason to think that Will actually died in act one. Present Jack couldn't see it at the time, but Future Jack swooped in and saved Will. This is how it would have happened in everytime timeline. Jack didn't actually change anything.
There's also no reason to believe the 2016 fracture wasn't fixed in Serene's timeline. Again, Serene has no idea what took place between 2016 and 2021. So the idea that the 2016 fracture is what caused 2021's end of time was an massive assumption on his and Monarch's part.
When you look at Paul's boards in his office, you'll see that he was preparing Project Lifeboat to "survive" the End of Time in 2021. This Paul has seen the End and his goal was to keep Scientists awake during the End so they could figure out a solution. This Paul never knew what would happen right after he walked through the time machine at the university. Scientists + Sofia Amaral tried to convince Paul that after the event at the university the fracture would be so fatal that the End would happen sooner and that Paul has probably mistaken something when he was there at the End.
When you choose between Sofia or Hatch, Paul either initiates Lifeboat Protocol early, just as Sofia wanted(choosing to trust Sofia) or not launching the protocol (choosing Hatch). The protocol will be then initiated regardless, because someone specific wants it to be started.
Paul was 99% sure that the End of Time would be triggered around 2021. That's why all his efforts went into perfect planning on his boards from 1999-2021. He got thrown off his own reasoning, because of Sofia. Love really blinds people.
When you choose between Sofia or Hatch, Paul either initiates Lifeboat Protocol early, just as Sofia wanted(choosing to trust Sofia) or not launching the protocol (choosing Hatch). The protocol will be then initiated regardless, because someone specific wants it to be started.
Paul was 99% sure that the End of Time would be triggered around 2021. That's why all his efforts went into perfect planning on his boards from 1999-2021. He got thrown off his own reasoning, because of Sofia. Love really blinds people.
Something totally depressing in the story...
Beth..
Ugh, she literally worked her whole life for the moments in the game. I mean she worked through this tough life, she tried stopping freaking 9/11 and the World Trade Center destruction and failed too...she fought through all this adversity...
...and Serene cold blooded shoots her in the face through his now basically insane form while she's laying injured on the floor.
Jesus...the girl never even got to enjoy anything from like the age of 6 through being killed by a psycho after getting to the one point in her life she had worked towards.
Yeah, I was ready to kill that punk piece of crap at the end..haha.
Beth..
Ugh, she literally worked her whole life for the moments in the game. I mean she worked through this tough life, she tried stopping freaking 9/11 and the World Trade Center destruction and failed too...she fought through all this adversity...
...and Serene cold blooded shoots her in the face through his now basically insane form while she's laying injured on the floor.
Jesus...the girl never even got to enjoy anything from like the age of 6 through being killed by a psycho after getting to the one point in her life she had worked towards.
Yeah, I was ready to kill that punk piece of crap at the end..haha.
Perhaps I shouldn't use "end of time" so generally, I'm talking about the stutters getting so much worse. If the fracture isn't what causes the end of time I guess it makes sense that the stutters could intensify, but the fact that Serene's wrong on this feels like we needed more payoff as to explicitly *why* he was wrong.
The question of chronon harvesting and expenditure is an interesting one. The dampners actually destroy chronons, which I missed on my first play through. We don't ever really learn what kind of energy usage all the weapons and harnesses use in comparison to all the years of harvesting them. We do know theoretically if they'd been able to keep to the timeline the lifeboat team would have had decades of safety, but I don't think there's ever a hard number given for how long the aborted team would have, nor whether all the time travel and manipulation affects the amount of chronons available.
The question of chronon harvesting and expenditure is an interesting one. The dampners actually destroy chronons, which I missed on my first play through. We don't ever really learn what kind of energy usage all the weapons and harnesses use in comparison to all the years of harvesting them. We do know theoretically if they'd been able to keep to the timeline the lifeboat team would have had decades of safety, but I don't think there's ever a hard number given for how long the aborted team would have, nor whether all the time travel and manipulation affects the amount of chronons available.
To be fair, Paul really wasn't insane. To him Beth was a crazy woman from the future trying to murder him. Then she was a obstacle in his mission to make sure that time carried on past 2021.
Paul's story is just as tragic as hers. He too, tried to prevent disasters and failed. And they both came to the conclusion that the past couldn't be changed. They just had differing beliefs on what should be done about 2021.
In fact, everyone has a tragic story, really. All of the experts on timetravel end up making the exact same mistakes; thinking they alter the course of time.
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