itchyass86
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This was gonna be my comment. Thanks now I don't have to say it.
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Report: More Women Own Videogame Consoles Than Men in US
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This was gonna be my comment. Thanks now I don't have to say it.
Here is the margin of error for this specific study, and a break down of the polling by groups.
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/...hip-2015/pi_2015-10-29_device-ownership_m-01/
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/...hip-2015/pi_2015-10-29_device-ownership_m-01/
DannyDanger
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Hmmmm, I learned something today.
lol,I guess that's Poe's law at work.
Look at examples in other mediums that are most popular with women. The most popular books with a majority female readership, the most popular movies where the audience is predominantly women, the most popular TV shows where women are the largest segment of the audience. Look at that and look at the best selling games any year and tell me that's a remotely similar audience.
[] I know how statistics works
[x] I don't know how statistics works
Why are people complaining about this issue when they obviously don't have a clue?
SubiyaCryolite
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My first thought >_>
icecold1983
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buy a dictionary, look up sexism, and work your way forward from there genius
Exactly. I'm not really surprised to see some freaking out here, but what you said is what truly matters. I hope this also means we will see more diverse games and a more respectful community towards women and LBGTIQA+ groups.
If anyone wants a larger breakdown on the methods used in this study:
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/device-ownership-2015-methods/
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/device-ownership-2015-methods/
Gormless Noodle
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Also interesting is the divide between blacks, Hispanics and whites, with blacks and Hispanics coming out on top there.
Wafflecakes
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Yes you can actually.
That is a perfectly acceptable sample size for this type of poll.
It amazes me how ignorant some are about how polling works.
Always-honest
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Well devs.... You might want to dive into that.
N
Noray
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My thoughts, summed up. I generally regard GAF as a safe, inclusive space, especially by gaming community standards. But this thread shows we still have a long way to go when it comes to combating ingrained sexist beliefs about the demographics of people who play games, as well as elitist/sexist notions of what it means to be a "gamer".
Yup, that's what I was thinking. It really puts this industry's fandom into perspective. And not a good one.
Publishers
Finale Fireworker
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This is the most cringe-inducing first post I have ever seen. Holy shit.
Dreamwriter
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If anyone wants more fun game statistics, here ya go, the ESA does these things every year. They survey 4000 households.
http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf
The average gamer is 35 years old, 44% of them are female. Women age 18 or older represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (33%) than boys age 18 or younger (15%).
http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf
The average gamer is 35 years old, 44% of them are female. Women age 18 or older represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (33%) than boys age 18 or younger (15%).
Can we just have that detailed write up you mentioned earlier? And then we might be able to help you find out why you're actually part of the problem.
+1. Awful.
It's all been downhill from there.
Adry9
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I wish that was representative, but we all know here that men spend more time playing video games than women simply just by looking around our friends/family. Or in a bigger scale, just check the ratio of men/women in this forum. I hope we get to that reality soon though.
EDIT: I want more women playing games but applauding this news without actually thinking if they are representative it's not gonna help.
EDIT: I want more women playing games but applauding this news without actually thinking if they are representative it's not gonna help.
writeandwrong
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SkeptiMism
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To be fair, I think it's at least an understandable position to be skeptical as the industry has traditionally catered to men fairly heavily. I'm optimistic that most of the people skeptical here would wish it were true.
But that said, some people are so quick to disregard a survey completely it does seem pretty nasty.
Apparently so...somehow its a stark contrast to what many believe and I really wonder why.
Yeah:
I was ignorant (still am, reading up on it based on what's been said in this thread) about polling methodology. Just sounded weird to me to extrapolate the habits of a 318.9 million population from a sample size of 948, but I'm learning it isn't.
Why are so many people offended by this thought? Similar to the issue of same-sex marriage, it seems like people think it's somehow gonna impact their personal lives.
Women play videogames. Fantastic. Women have more consoles than men. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE.
That's like the opposite of the neogaf slogan.
Women play videogames. Fantastic. Women have more consoles than men. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE.
That's like the opposite of the neogaf slogan.
doesn't know how stats and polling works
tells me to buy a dictionary
well that worked out as expected
Always-honest
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well yeah, both ;P
I mean where I leave (very far from America), I didn't mean to doubt the report.
It doesn't fit with their worldview. To them gaming is a boys club not because they want to be exclusive but because they have experienced it largely as such.
So a proper poll showing that they are actually the minority of console owners must be shocking to them.
Interesting that they aren't more shocked by the income level differences.
Schrödinger's cat
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Congrats USA.
Hopefully the rest of the world will catch up.
Hopefully the rest of the world will catch up.
-duskdoll-
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What the hell is going on in this thread?
You know how the saying goes: There's lies, damned lies, and, uh, statistics are lies when I don't like what they're saying.
Something like that.
DannyDanger
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I think you are confusing two things here...
Nobody's freaking out...
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Own is not the same thing as Play
Are we supposed to just believe whatever they say? I posted my skepticism with the survey, and somebody actually hit me back with some statistics... That has me thinking I maybe wrong. No regrets I learned something.
If you have no clue at all, you often think you know it all.
Even if you only have a little idea about something, you actually realize that you almost know nothing about it.
Charles Brandon
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I'd be very happy if this was true. It's the last step towards the true normalisation of our hobby.
It is surprising though. Anecdotally, I know very few women and lots of men who own a console. Admittedly this is in the UK but gaming trends here tend to close to what is happening in the US.
It is surprising though. Anecdotally, I know very few women and lots of men who own a console. Admittedly this is in the UK but gaming trends here tend to close to what is happening in the US.
You may want to revisit the short and storied career of icecold1983
Finale Fireworker
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Thank you very much.
GAF seems to have a real problem with statistics they don't like. Or maybe sexists on GAF come out of the woodwork when their covert sexism can fly under the radar as "healthy skepticism." There was another thread that said most high school boys were tired or sexualized women in games and people tore it to pieces and tried to come up with a hundred different reasons the survey must be inaccurate.
That thread was a train wreck too: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1077889
I don't understand this. Why can't you just be normal. Why can you just treat women like normal people. Why does the first post of this thread have to be a marriage proposal and a qualifier that the OP isn't like other girls.
Like, what the FUCK.
Why.
Now if only the type of software produced catered to a more even demographic instead of young male adults. Not that I wqnt them to move from 'dudebro' to chick flix Twilight stuff. But something more balanced that caters to both would be nice. There's a reason I find RPG's to be my favourite genre and the only games I recommend to my sisters. Don't have a source but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that games like Final Fantasy have a more balanced gender split than your typical AAA game.
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