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[ggx2ac]

Is he the only one to state that Xenko is working with Nintendo on the NX ? Not a single media I searched seems to give him any attention at all.

I already pointed out in one of the locked NX threads that he lies and makes up things to keep claiming that the Eurogamer rumours are false... which is ironic.

His methods remind me of conspiracy theorists who try to convince people of something by grabbing unrelated things and connecting the dots between them to claim something is true but is apparently hidden from the public...

That's why it's been easy poking holes in his claims, but he ends up not being able to defend his claims properly and says that I am being sarcastic to him, he ends up throwing motivational quotes at me in which I felt like asking him to throw some Bible quotes too but instead I ended up blocking him.

It's best to ignore him. Even if Nintendo did end up using DMP for the GPU, HappyNintendoFan's claims wouldn't have any validity for why it occurred. That's also only one of his many claims, one other claim is him saying that NX would use Dynamic AR, which when he posted clips of the video I found they came from here: https://youtu.be/4f09VdXex3A

So he was claiming that a method of AR that is in research and is not even commercialised because it is someone's PHD thesis, is somehow going to end up in the NX? lol.

 

[Übermatik]

Ubermatik is pregnant!?

Aw jeez...

I did not ask for this

 

[PantherLotus]

Everything we know about Nintendo NX (with sources)

Everything here is a rumor, unless stated otherwise.

If you think I missed anything or made a mistake let me know here or on Twitter. I will keep updating this list until NX is officially announced.
Source links can be found below. New information will be highlighted.

Hardware

• Nintendo NX will be a portable, handheld console (Eurogamer article #1, backed by Kotaku and WSJ article #1 among others)
• A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect NX with your TV (Eurogamer article #1)
• Six inch (6.2 inch?) multi-touch screen (Emily Rogers article #2)
• The touchscreen has 720p resolution (Emily Rogers article #3)
• The device is around 14 – 15 mm in thickness (Emily Rogers article #2)
  
  Controls
• NX has detachable controllers (Eurogamer article #1, among others)
• Features motion controls and next-gen vibration technology (LPVG article #1)
• The d-pad is split (LPVG article #2, Emily Rogers article #2)
• It has a Share / Social button (LPVG article #2, Emily Rogers article #2)
• There are at least two shoulder buttons. No info about Triggers yet. (Emily Rogers article #3)
• The right analogue stick will be below the face buttons. (Emily Rogers article #2)
  
  
  Features
• Custom Nvidia GPU chip based on Tegra (Semiaccurate article #1, Eurogamer article #2)
• Nintendo NX to use Nvidia's Pascal GPU architecture (@DirectFeedGames on Twitter aka. NateDrake on NeoGAF. Tweet Link)
• NX CPU is more powerful than the CPUs of PS4/XBO. (LCgeek on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
• Nintendo NX will use cartridges (Eurogamer article #1, WSJ article #2)
• 32GB of built-in internal storage (Emily Rogers article #2)
• SD card support (Emily Rogers article #2)
• Supports USB 2.0 and 3.0 (Emily Rogers article #3)
• The dock has two 2.0 USB ports and one 3.0 USB port (Emily Rogers article #3)
  
  
• Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power (Emily Rogers article #2)
• Camera and microphone are not built into the NX portable device. Note: This does not mean there isn't a camera/mic somewhere. We don't know yet. (Emily Rogers article #3)
• Cooling is still a little noisy (Emily Rogers article #3)
• Battery Life doesn’t sound to be great (Emily Rogers article #3)
  
  Other features
• Nintendo NX is Region Free (No region lock) (LPVG article #3, Emily Rogers article #3)
• Supports Unreal Engine 4 and Unity Engine (Emily Rogers article #2)

Software

• NX is compatible with Nintendo's smartphone games (WSJ article #1)
• Any game that runs on PS4/XBO should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
  
  Confirmed Games
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - Nintendo (Source)
• Just Dance 2017 - Ubisoft (Source)
• Holiday 2017 Sonic Game - Sega (Source trailer)
• Dragon Quest X - Square Enix (Source)
• Dragon Quest XI - Square Enix (Source)
• (Pikmin 4 - Nintendo (Source 1 | Source 2) Note: While the game is officially confirmed it is currently unclear if it will launch on NX, but we can safely assume it will be on NX.)
  
  Indie Games
• Tank it! - Bplus (Source)
  
  Rumored Games
  
• A Mario game within 6 months of launch (Source)
• A Pokémon game by Gamefreak within 6 months of launch (Source)
• A Super Smash Bros. game for NX launch (Source)
• Splatoon (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.
• Super Mario Maker (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.
• Beyond Good and Evil 2 - Ubisoft (Source)
  
  
• Bandai Namco is working on several NX titles. (Source)
• Retro Studios is not working on Metroid, DKC or Diddy Kong Racing, sounds like a new IP (Source)

Source Links

• Eurogamer article #1: Nintendo NX is a portable console with detachable controllers
• Eurogamer article #2: Nintendo NX is powered by Nvidia Tegra technology
• Kotaku: Report: Nintendo NX Is A Portable Console With Detachable Controllers]
• WSJ article #1: Lacking ‘Pokémon Go’ Effect, Nintendo Swings to a Loss (NX related part starts a bit further below the graph.)
• WSJ article #2: Nintendo’s New NX Console to Go Retro With Videogame Cartridges
• Semiaccurate article #1: Nintendo NX handheld to use Nvidia Tegra-based SoC
• Emily Rogers article #1: Email 8.27.2016: The big question about resolution.
• Emily Rogers article #2: Here’s a recap of NX Hardware details
• Emily Rogers article #3: Rumor: What should we expect from the final NX product?
• LPVG article #1: Report: Detatchable NX Controllers Support Motion Control and Force Feedback
• LPVG article #2: Report: NX to Feature PS4 -style Split D-Pad and Share Button
• LPVG article #3: Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock

this 100% needs to be its own thread. Great post!

 

[Übermatik]

What contradictions? You mean comments like the CPU being better than XBO/PS4, but still being weaker in raw power?

Edit: Or the older comments of NX being more powerful than PS4, whereas more recent comments say it's weaker?

Can you elaborate on what contradictions you are referring to?

• NX CPU is more powerful than the CPUs of PS4/XBO. (LCgeek on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
  [*]Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power (Emily Rogers article #2)
  [*]Any game that runs on PS4/XBO Should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)

Namely those last two, especially now we think the screen will be 720p.

 

[KAL2006]

Im gonna go and say Nintendo will revealed the announcement date for NX the Monday or Tuesday coming.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Is anybody actually excited at having detachable controllers? I hated the Wii u gamepad idea with a passion, I thought it was a waste of resources that could have been spent on better specs, but this looks even sillier.

A much more elegant solution would be to just include a regular controller and keep a portable system, portable without sacrificing ergonomics. The Wii sticks were horrible gamepads.

 

[MomoQca]

Aw jeez...

I did not ask for this

*gasps* Who's the father?

 

[Aostia]

I don't like the direction of the NX. I mainly don't like the break off controllers.

It costs Nintendo maybe 2-3 dollars to include a mike and a camera. The break off controllers will add much higher cost to the unit to reinforce the rigidity, and them will cause a lot of warranty return anyway.

And all the fan concepts I see include alot of compromises to the control layout due to the break off nature of the controllers. All these design difficulty just because Nintendo want to let 2 people play games on the go. I have never seen anybody play those 2-player ipad games in public, ever. I think Nintendo is chasing a market niche that doesn't exist. Nintendo is better off keeping the controller intact and include a traditional large controller to use at home. They don't even have to include a home controller in the base package, they can just pack in a 10 dollar off coupon in the base unit.

With this break off design, it basically means Nintendo will make a lot of games that can be controlled by a d-pad and 2 buttons only. I don't think you can play a lot of 3d games with it.

Two analogs wii like combos non issue at all in managing 3d games

 

[Übermatik]

*gasps* Who's the father?

*Sweats nervously*

 

[Raiden1018]

They have to announce a date for the announcement this week. If only to undercut the hype of the Playstation Meeting as well as get ahead of the Tokyo Game Show.

I can feel it in my bones.

They're not undercutting anything if NX is just a handheld that can connect to your TV.
And they were afraid other's would copy? Nintendo's gone nuts

 

[lwilliams3]

Yes

That's cool. While that should have been a given,
It will hopefully stop people from implying that she was saying that all NX was restricted to 720p while docked.

I guess that confirms that some games may run at 1080p but display at 720p while mobile. Either that or the game starts to run at 1080p if there's a Docked Mode.

True. I would think that devs have a choice to either one. They could even do things like "1080p while docked/ 720p with additional AA while unplugged."

 

[Ganondolf]

• NX CPU is more powerful than the CPUs of PS4/XBO. (LCgeek on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
  [*]Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power (Emily Rogers article #2)
  [*]Any game that runs on PS4/XBO Should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)

Namely those last two, especially now we think the screen will be 720p.

The cpu may be more powerful but the gpu won't be and we don't know the ram.

With regards to any game running I believe thay mean a game could be ported without any issues and not that it will be identical.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

*Sweats nervously*

😅😅

 

[Lutherian]

I already pointed out in one of the locked NX threads that he lies and makes up things to keep claiming that the Eurogamer rumours are false... which is ironic.

His methods remind me of conspiracy theorists who try to convince people of something by grabbing unrelated things and connecting the dots between them to claim something is true but is apparently hidden from the public...

That's why it's been easy poking holes in his claims, but he ends up not being able to defend his claims properly and says that I am being sarcastic to him, he ends up throwing motivational quotes at me in which I felt like asking him to throw some Bible quotes too but instead I ended up blocking him.

It's best to ignore him. Even if Nintendo did end up using DMP for the GPU, HappyNintendoFan's claims wouldn't have any validity for why it occurred. That's also only one of his many claims, one other claim is him saying that NX would use Dynamic AR, which when he posted clips of the video I found they came from here: https://youtu.be/4f09VdXex3A

So he was claiming that a method of AR that is in research and is not even commercialised because it is someone's PHD thesis, is somehow going to end up in the NX? lol.

Ok, I see, thanks ^^

 

[Ganondolf]

Could the nx be used for vr or is the screen resolution too low? I hear that PlayStation vr looks a bit blurry.

 

[Caramello]

Could the nx be used for vr or is the screen resolution too low? I hear that PlayStation vr looks a bit blurry.

Resolution is way too low.

 

[Ganondolf]

Resolution is way too low.

That's what I thought

 

[Humdinger]

Everything we know about Nintendo NX (with sources)
[....]

Great work! Thank you.

 

[Skittzo0413]

• NX CPU is more powerful than the CPUs of PS4/XBO. (LCgeek on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
  [*]Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power (Emily Rogers article #2)
  [*]Any game that runs on PS4/XBO Should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)

Namely those last two, especially now we think the screen will be 720p.

Those rumors aren't really contradictory at all. They actually line up very well with the SoC being a Pascal Tegra chip.

-The PS4/XBO CPUs are terrible, and it doesn't take much to beat them (apparently). A stock TX1 CPU should beat them handily.
-Below PS4/XBO in Flops is accurate and makes sense. Doesn't necessarily mean real world performance though.
-A Pascal Tegra should be able to easily handle Unity/UE4/Frostbyte and actually could handle UE4 games better than or similarly to XB1/PS4 due to the heavy use of FP16 precision which has double the performance on Tegra (depending on the final SMs/clock speeds too of course).

720p screen has absolutely no bearing on the capabilities of the processors. It could easily render games at 1080p and downsample them to the 720p screen. The screen resolution is likely there to reduce power consumption by a large amount.

 

[BKSmash]

This upcoming tuesday sure will be interesting..

Spoiler

*insert ''it's fucking nothing'' gif*

 

[deleted]

They're not undercutting anything if NX is just a handheld that can connect to your TV.
And they were afraid other's would copy? Nintendo's gone nuts

It's not about anyone copying them anymore. Sony is set to reveal their gameplan next week and won't adjust and if the idea is good enough, MS can easily implement it either way for Skorpio, since it's a long way off.
The NX info is also just there in the industry since dev kits are out. I don't believe Sony or MS couldn't get the information a lot easier that us if they wanted to.

Right now, it's all about reveal timing. When will be the moment to do this strategically? I front of TGS would make sense to get the press in the build up to the event and to have devs talking about it during... But they could push it further out. Perhaps after black friday to not play with the 3DS sales this year. Since Pokemon Go launched, they tend to be on the up and up and they might not want to squander any potential to meet their HW goals this year...

My money would be on pre-TGS though, since it makes more sense for support through the industry, but... you know... Nintendo..

 

[Ganondolf]

Out of interest if Nintendo was to release a separate gpu powered dock at launch or after with around neo specs (gpu part). How much would you be willing to pay?

 

[maxcriden]

This upcoming tuesday sure will be interesting..

Spoiler

*insert ''it's fucking nothing'' gif*

Hm, is there a rumor of something happening on Tuesday?

 

[MDave]

Is 4GB the current maximum for LPDDR4? Guess that would be pretty pricey, but NX would have to be at least 2GB minimum I imagine for Zelda BOTW.

 

[Rodin]

Is 4GB the current maximum for LPDDR4? Guess that would be pretty pricey, but NX would have to be at least 2GB minimum I imagine for Zelda BOTW.

There's not that limitation anymore. Honestly i'd be shocked if this thing has less than 6, plus some embedded RAM (4MB SRAM for cache should be more than enough on Nvidia hardware). Thraktor wrote an interesting post about this

A large cache or embedded memory pool is definitely something to look out for. Nintendo has dedicated around 30% of their last few custom dies to embedded memory (3DS, Wii U CPU & GPU), so they're obviously happy about dropping down big pools of SRAM and eDRAM on their chips. Typically this is so that the bulk of the data accesses (primarily the framebuffer) can remain on-die; increasing bandwidth and reducing latency and power consumption. This is actually a potential insight into one of the reasons Nintendo have switched to Nvidia for NX, as we've recently learnt that Maxwell and Pascal implement tile-based rendering, which is intended to achieve pretty much the same thing by optimising framebuffer access patterns to maximise the proportion of them that hit cache rather than main memory. What this would mean from Nintendo's point of view is that they could achieve the same goal with a much smaller pool of memory (perhaps 4MB compared to 32MB) and could do so in a way which is invisible to developers, so they only have to manage a single memory pool. It actually wouldn't surprise me if they could get the same or better performance at lower cost and power consumption by combining a large cache with a 64 bit memory interface than a smaller cache and a 128 bit interface.

Also

The A9 has a 4MB SRAM cache which, on the TSMC 16FF version, takes up approximately 6.5mm². That's about half the size of a 64 bit LPDDR4 interface or an SM, and would provide double the cache of the GTX 1080.

Yes, that's what I was getting at when I said that this could be one of the reasons Nintendo decided to go with Nvidia, that they could achieve the same goals as before (reduced main memory bandwidth needs, reduced power consumption, etc.) with only 10% or less of the die, rather than 30%+.

 

[BKSmash]

Hm, is there a rumor of something happening on Tuesday?

Not that I know of, but I think tuesdays are usually the day that Nintendo announces stuff.

 

[ggx2ac]

Is 4GB the current maximum for LPDDR4? Guess that would be pretty pricey, but NX would have to be at least 2GB minimum I imagine for Zelda BOTW.

It should be 6GB as the maximum since someone else pointed that out.

On Parker with a 128-bit bus, it can have 50GB/s of bandwidth for LPDDR4 RAM.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Everything we know about Nintendo NX (with sources)

Everything here is a rumor, unless stated otherwise.

If you think I missed anything or made a mistake let me know here or on Twitter. I will keep updating this list until NX is officially announced.
Source links can be found below. New information will be highlighted.

Hardware

• Nintendo NX will be a portable, handheld console (Eurogamer article #1, backed by Kotaku and WSJ article #1 among others)
• A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect NX with your TV (Eurogamer article #1)
• Six inch (6.2 inch?) multi-touch screen (Emily Rogers article #2)
• The touchscreen has 720p resolution (Emily Rogers article #3)
• The device is around 14 – 15 mm in thickness (Emily Rogers article #2)
  
  Controls
• NX has detachable controllers (Eurogamer article #1, among others)
• Features motion controls and next-gen vibration technology (LPVG article #1)
• The d-pad is split (LPVG article #2, Emily Rogers article #2)
• It has a Share / Social button (LPVG article #2, Emily Rogers article #2)
• There are at least two shoulder buttons. No info about Triggers yet. (Emily Rogers article #3)
• The right analogue stick will be below the face buttons. (Emily Rogers article #2)
  
  
  Features
• Custom Nvidia GPU chip based on Tegra (Semiaccurate article #1, Eurogamer article #2)
• Nintendo NX to use Nvidia's Pascal GPU architecture (@DirectFeedGames on Twitter aka. NateDrake on NeoGAF. Tweet Link)
• NX CPU is more powerful than the CPUs of PS4/XBO. (LCgeek on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
• Nintendo NX will use cartridges (Eurogamer article #1, WSJ article #2)
• 32GB of built-in internal storage (Emily Rogers article #2)
• SD card support (Emily Rogers article #2)
• Supports USB 2.0 and 3.0 (Emily Rogers article #3)
• The dock has two 2.0 USB ports and one 3.0 USB port (Emily Rogers article #3)
  
• Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power (Emily Rogers article #2)
• Camera and microphone are not built into the NX portable device. Note: This does not mean there isn't a camera/mic somewhere. We don't know yet. (Emily Rogers article #3)
• Cooling is still a little noisy (Emily Rogers article #3)
• Battery Life doesn’t sound to be great (Emily Rogers article #3)
  
  Other features
• Nintendo NX is Region Free (No region lock) (LPVG article #3, Emily Rogers article #3)
• Supports Unreal Engine 4 and Unity Engine (Emily Rogers article #2)

Software

• NX is compatible with Nintendo's smartphone games (WSJ article #1)
• Any game that runs on PS4/XBO should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
  
  Confirmed Games
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - Nintendo (Source)
• Just Dance 2017 - Ubisoft (Source)
• Holiday 2017 Sonic Game - Sega (Source trailer)
• Dragon Quest X - Square Enix (Source)
• Dragon Quest XI - Square Enix (Source)
• (Pikmin 4 - Nintendo (Source 1 | Source 2) Note: While the game is officially confirmed it is currently unclear if it will launch on NX, but we can safely assume it will be on NX.)
  
  Indie Games
• Tank it! - Bplus (Source)
  
  Rumored Games
• A Mario game within 6 months of launch (Source)
• A Pokémon game by Gamefreak within 6 months of launch (Source)
• A Super Smash Bros. game for NX launch (Source)
• Splatoon (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.
• Super Mario Maker (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.
• Beyond Good and Evil 2 - Ubisoft (Source)
  
• Bandai Namco is working on several NX titles. (Source)
• Retro Studios is not working on Metroid, DKC or Diddy Kong Racing, sounds like a new IP (Source)

Source Links

• Eurogamer article #1: Nintendo NX is a portable console with detachable controllers
• Eurogamer article #2: Nintendo NX is powered by Nvidia Tegra technology
• Kotaku: Report: Nintendo NX Is A Portable Console With Detachable Controllers]
• WSJ article #1: Lacking ‘Pokémon Go’ Effect, Nintendo Swings to a Loss (NX related part starts a bit further below the graph.)
• WSJ article #2: Nintendo’s New NX Console to Go Retro With Videogame Cartridges
• Semiaccurate article #1: Nintendo NX handheld to use Nvidia Tegra-based SoC
• Emily Rogers article #1: Email 8.27.2016: The big question about resolution.
• Emily Rogers article #2: Here’s a recap of NX Hardware details
• Emily Rogers article #3: Rumor: What should we expect from the final NX product?
• LPVG article #1: Report: Detatchable NX Controllers Support Motion Control and Force Feedback
• LPVG article #2: Report: NX to Feature PS4 -style Split D-Pad and Share Button
• LPVG article #3: Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock

wow thanks for this

 

[maxcriden]

Not that I know of, but I think tuesdays are usually the day that Nintendo announces stuff.

Oh, gotcha, thanks. We shall see!

 

[Smeags]

Not a huge surprise, but 505 Games (publisher/developer of Terraria) just hinted at NX support for their game (as well as 1.3 support which the Wii U version isn't getting).

Again, not really a shot in the dark seeing how the games is out for every system under the sun, but a welcome addition nonetheless (Plus, Terraria on the go is always welcomed).

http://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/wii-u-update-and-3ds-news.48755/

 

[MDave]

There's not that limitation anymore. Honestly i'd be shocked if this thing has less than 6, plus some embedded RAM (4MB SRAM for cache should be enough for Tegra). Thraktor wrote an interesting post about this

Thanks, that's good to know. Nvidia's work on bandwidth optimization on top of Nintendo's request for large caches means great things. I wonder how fast the flash rom on the carts will be. Would having more pins on the cart = more data connections = more parallel data transfer = faster loading?

 

[lwilliams3]

• NX CPU is more powerful than the CPUs of PS4/XBO. (LCgeek on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
  [*]Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power (Emily Rogers article #2)
  [*]Any game that runs on PS4/XBO Should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)

Namely those last two, especially now we think the screen will be 720p.

For videogame consoles these days, the specs of the GPU is considered more important than the CPU on determining its display performance, so the system with the stronger GPU would assumably be stronger to a certain extent. For example, the XB1 has a slightly faster CPU, but is also has a slower GPU. With the 360 vs the PS3, it was the other way around. In both cases, the one with the stronger GPU generally have better performance.

The CPU power is important, though. The Wii U, for example, was heavily criticized for its tiny CPU. You also can't really scale down the tasks that are usually giving to the CPU, so a CPU that is up to par or better than the other consoles would be a good goal, even if the GPU is weaker.



Memory is another important factor, but we don't know anything about it for the NX. It should be noted that Nintendo has paid good attention to the memory system since the N64 fiasco.

If the memory and CPU are good, it wouldn't be too difficult to scale down GPU tasks to work with the NX to a certain extent.

IMO, though, Osirisblack's comments that it would be easy to port implies that the GPU is not hilariously weaker than the other systems in actual performance.

 

[Rösti]

Oh, gotcha, thanks. We shall see!

On March 23, 2016 (a Tuesday), Nintendo announced Nintendo 3DS: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100323e.pdf

On April 25, 2011 (a Monday), Nintendo announced Wii's successor system: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110425_4e.pdf

If these rumors/speculation of an NX related announcement prior to Tokyo Game Show 2016 are true, I think it would happen either before September 7 (date of Sony's PlayStation Meeting) or after September 13 (Sony's 2016 PlayStation Press Conference in Japan). Though after September 13 would give Nintendo only a single day before the start of TGS.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I guess that confirms that some games may run at 1080p but display at 720p while mobile. Either that or the game starts to run at 1080p if there's a Docked Mode.

That tweet 'confirms' absolutely nothing. It's as basic a statement as it gets.

Yes ofcourse the NX could potentially run docked games at higher resolutions. Virtually every handheld device with a TV out can potentially do that. The question is whether it actually will when games will be primarily designed for the handheld and 720p scales up rather nicely.

You guys are reading way too much into Emily's tweets. And personally, I doubt developers are going to put in a lot of devtime in creating a special docked mode that plays the same game at a higher resolution yet is still constrained by the same hardware. Doesn't seem remotely worth the effort just to please a handful of people that are missing the forest for the trees. Or are we still on the docked GPU overclock pipedream?

 

[Dark Cloud]

There is no special dock. If the dock did something special it would jack the price up. It'll just be a dock to connect your NX to the tv. Nintendo is going for affordability to casual gamers.

Maybe, they could have optional docks that boost power, but wouldn't developers HAVE to know about this? Unless it's a dock that's coming down the line. Other than that this dock does nothing special and will be packaged in.

 

[Ganondolf]

There is no special dock. If the dock did something special it would jack the price up. It'll just be a dock to connect your NX to the tv. Nintendo is going for affordability to casual gamers.

Maybe, they could have optional docks that boost power, but wouldn't developers HAVE to know about this? Other than that this dock does nothing special and will be packaged in.

It could be possible that the gpu powered docks won't release with the handheld but at a later time. I just hope Nintendo has the foresight to have the connections in place so that they have the option in the future. With Sony and Microsoft doing mid-term upgrades Nintendo could be left far behind by the time the nx is half way through its lifecycle. Adding a gpu powered dock would give a boost mid lifecycle.

 

[Dark Cloud]

It could be possible that the gpu powered docks won't release with the handheld but at a later time. I just hope Nintendo has the foresight to have the connections in place so that they have the option in the future. With Sony and Microsoft doing mid-term upgrades Nintendo could be left far behind by the time the nx is half way through its lifecycle. Adding a gpu powered dock would give a boost mid lifecycle.

Yeah, I could see them coming later down the road, but Nintendo has to have a backup plan. Either optional docks that boost power or another NX system or just another new system that's not NX. Like you said Sony and MS are pushing more forward. I know Nintendo likes to say they don't compete with them, but how far back can you be in a year or two?

Anyone expecting a portable to be near as powerful as a next gen home console will be super disappointed. Xd

Who thinks this?

 

[mStudios]

Anyone expecting a portable to be as near as powerful as a next gen home console will be super disappointed. Xd

 

[Candescence]

CPU power being better than the Xbone/PS4 (which isn't difficult, the CPUs in both systems are shitty as it is) would certainly be a boon since, while CPU power arguably isn't as important, it IS important for gameplay systems such as AI and such. Visuals can be scaled down without that much trouble (PC games have had scalable graphics since forever), CPU-based tasks, on the other hand, are much harder to scale down without compromising the gameplay. That's why the NX can have lower GPU power than the Xbone/PS4 to a certain extent without making it more difficult to port from those consoles.

Of course, the exact level of GPU power the NX has is still very much up in the air, but there's little indication so far that it will be an inhibiting factor for ports. The confirmation that the two most used engine are supported right off the bat is a good sign.

 

[Rodin]

Anyone expecting a portable to be near as powerful as a next gen home console will be super disappointed. Xd

Nobody is expecting this to be close to PS4, let alone PS5. Xd

 

[Roto Prime]

I really feel for you guys who are disappointed with the NX power envelope. I mean this thing is guaranteed to be at least 2x Wiiu in the palm of your hand and at 720p to boot. Imagine WWHD with twice the effects in the palm of your hand. That alone gets me very excited.

I mean everyone gushed over games like Uncharted 3 and Last of Us not too long ago. And now there is a portable from nintendo that will be capable of at putting out games that look/perform twice as good as those games...in the palm of your hand. How many Wiiu fans or here touted Mk8 as gorgeous. Youre getting a device that pumps out visuals at least twice as good.

Im a bit biased because portables are my first love. Small screen or big screen doesnt matter to me.

Also inb4 "im a nintendo only gamer". I have a ps4 and will be grabbing a neo day one.

Hello, this is what I seem to not understand, Could you help? I would like to know, does this mean if I where to put Zelda BOTW Wii u next to Zelda BOTW NX, the NX version will have more stuff on screen? Like more grass and trees?

 

[Skittzo0413]

There is no special dock. If the dock did something special it would jack the price up. It'll just be a dock to connect your NX to the tv. Nintendo is going for affordability to casual gamers.

Maybe, they could have optional docks that boost power, but wouldn't developers HAVE to know about this? Unless it's a dock that's coming down the line. Other than that this dock does nothing special and will be packaged in.

The dock charging the console and allowing it to be clocked at a higher rate than when portable costs exactly 0$ for them to implement.

 

[udivision]

There is no special dock. If the dock did something special it would jack the price up. It'll just be a dock to connect your NX to the tv. Nintendo is going for affordability to casual gamers.

Maybe, they could have optional docks that boost power, but wouldn't developers HAVE to know about this? Unless it's a dock that's coming down the line. Other than that this dock does nothing special and will be packaged in.

In a world in which AC adapters don't come bundled with the 3DS, I'm beginning to think that the TV-Out Dock Thing will just be sold separately for those who want it.

That way, you can get the large, more important audience (3DS/Handheld fans) to join at a lower price. And the smaller, increasingly less relevant group of people (people who want to play Nintendo games on the big screen) can pony up for their niche TV experience.

 

[casey_contra]

It would be cool if the share button could be set to instantly send to your phone via Bluetooth so it didn't take you out of the game (a la miiverse).

 

[Joelstinton14]

Nobody is expecting this to be close to PS4, let alone PS5. Xd

It is being talked about in the same breath as X1/PS4.

It seems kind of crazy to me they will be able to get wii u looking games on a portable, then again i'm not really that aware of what mobile/Porthable games can do these days.

 

[ozfunghi]

60% less power? Wow I did not know that. Amazing

Yes. Either is is 60% more powerefficient at the same performance as the tegra X1, or it is 40% more powerful at the same power draw (since power and performance don't scale 1:1).

 

[lwilliams3]

That tweet 'confirms' absolutely nothing. It's as basic a statement as it gets.

Yes ofcourse the NX could potentially run docked games at higher resolutions. Virtually every handheld device with a TV out can potentially do that. The question is whether it actually will when games will be primarily designed for the handheld and 720p scales up rather nicely.

You guys are reading way too much into Emily's tweets. And personally, I doubt developers are going to put in a lot of devtime in creating a special docked mode that plays the same game at a higher resolution yet is still constrained by the same hardware. Doesn't seem remotely worth the effort just to please a handful of people that are missing the forest for the trees. Or are we still on the docked GPU overclock pipedream?

From my perspective, Emily simply was clarifying that the resolution was not hardware limited to 720p while hooked to a TV. While it would have been bizarre, it is not unheard of. The GCN and Wii was limited to 480p due to hardware design, and the DS was locked at 60fps or 30fps w/3D on both screens due to the unique hard-limit vertex count per frame that the GPU had.

 

[MuchoMalo]

This may not be on topic, but can somebody explains why HNF feel that support for a certain engine proves that NX is a dedicated console? I feel like my brain exploded just now.


Edit: Alright, he's just grasping straws. No problem.

 

[Rodin]

It is being talked about in the same breath as X1/PS4.

It seems kind of crazy to me they will be able to get wii u looking games on a portable, then again i'm not really that aware of what mobile/Porthable games can do these days.

I was joking because he said "close to a next gen console".

But yeah, it's obvious that a portable form factor with mobile parts can't outperform a console with desktop class hardware, even a weak one. I do believe that the difference will be somewhat less big than what the numbers say on paper though.

Knowing these numbers for NX would be nice anyway.

This may not be on topic, but can somebody explains why HNF feel that support for a certain engine proves that NX is a dedicated console? I feel like my brain exploded just now.

I admit that i misjudged him. I thought he was an obnoxious troll, but he's actually hilarious. Look at the montage trailer of games "he heard" are coming to the NX. I laughed to tears.

 

[Oddduck]

This may not be on topic, but can somebody explains why HNF feel that support for a certain engine proves that NX is a dedicated console? I feel like my brain exploded just now.

If this mythical, super powerful, dedicated console with an AMD GPU and x86 architecture, had any truth to it, then some major website (Giant Bomb, IGN, Polygon, Kotaku, GameSpot, Destructoid, VentureBeat, The Verge, Game Informer, USGamer, Edge, Engadget, Wired) would have reported or leaked it at this point. Nobody should pay any attention to these weird conspiracy theory people.

Although I'll admit, I think HappyNintendoFan's Twitter account is actually satire, and he's not really being as serious as people think.