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Revolution Pricing Re-Emerges: "Less Than $299".
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Deg said:
Well aren't you a smart one? Ya know, just because Sony and MS are taking a hit per console doesn't mean Nintendo has to. Even if the console doesn't cost much to manufacture, Nintendo still has R&D costs to pay off and you don't even have a clue as to how much it costs to produce the revmote.
And I don't mind paying that much for "out of date technology" because the competitor's current "cutting edge" technology doesn't have a wagglewand.
Since I won't be surprised if the Rev costs Nintendo > $100 USD to manufacture, I won't pay anymore than $180-200 CDN (~$149 US) for the machine, on principle alone. The DS was a rip at it's launch price, and I really got burned on that, so I'm going to try my damnedest to not let nostalgia and my love for Nintendo do that to me again.
If they launch at anything above $199 US, the backlash that will insue from the mainstream market will be unreal. Grossly underpowered handhelds is one thing; when people see Rev games running next to 360/PS3 games, they'll gasp if there isn't a significant price difference. The Rev is, in many respects, a handheld turned full blown console, and the pricing needs to be representative of that.
If they launch at anything above $199 US, the backlash that will insue from the mainstream market will be unreal. Grossly underpowered handhelds is one thing; when people see Rev games running next to 360/PS3 games, they'll gasp if there isn't a significant price difference. The Rev is, in many respects, a handheld turned full blown console, and the pricing needs to be representative of that.
Cold-Steel
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I'm really interested to see how the games graphically compare.
HD or not, if it uses the latest effects and can do complex physics calculations - I'm there day one because I know there will be great games for it.
HD or not, if it uses the latest effects and can do complex physics calculations - I'm there day one because I know there will be great games for it.
I can't believe some of you guys who were hellbent than Nintendo's strategy was based around $150 or under would now accept a theoretical higher price because of its unique capabilities which you knew about all along?
Only Nintendo...
Personally I think it'll be $199, the console with the remote, GC shell and analog stick. Poor value for money comparitively but it'll be lapped up.
Only Nintendo...
Personally I think it'll be $199, the console with the remote, GC shell and analog stick. Poor value for money comparitively but it'll be lapped up.
Nope. They would need to more than double GCN to blow the PSP away "one" time over. After all, 2x spec is nowhere near 2x jump is visual quality. Diminishing returns and all that. If IGN was true (re;specs) then the Revolution won't really distinguish itself much from the Xbox, and the PSP is clearly up alongside this generation of consoles (although yes, not quite as powerful).Unison said:
GamingGuru
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GaimeGuy said:
LOL Stay off crack bro :lol
I wouldnt pay anymore then 200 for a REV that is well underpowered compared to the other two next gen consoles....
Though the controller is a novel idea..i dont think the REV is gonna be that great of a system the way N approached their design with REV
GamingGuru
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I guess im just pissed because i was REALLY looking foward to playing some Mario,Zelda,PRime,Kart,etc in High Def..but it looks like that is wishful thinking now
YellowAce said:
Yeah his comment is ridiculous but it has some merit.Depending on how fast you can load data from the DVD, you can really stream a lot of the textures. Also the texture sizes will be smaller for a resolution of 480p. So it will be enough.
I really dont think that any developer is really complaining. From a deving point of view is definitely enough, i mean its 4 times the textures of Rogue Leader.
As for people complaining how its underpowered, dont buy it then. Really it isnt that hard of a decision.
citrus lump
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Unfortunatley, not all developers are created equal. I mean sure we can have stuff that looks 2-3 times better than Resident Evil 4 or Rogue Leader, but the flipside is we can have stuff that's only 2-3 times better than Ribbit king or Space Raiders.Monk said:
citrus lump
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Speevy said:
I actually like Ribbit King.
WordAssassin
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I was thinking about this the other day:
Back in the old days, generations "doubled." There was 8bit. Then there was 16bit. Then 32bit. Then 64bit. Around last gen, the lines started to blur. But say the GCN, hypothetically, was 128bit. Then the Revolution is just following industry standard by being 256bit, aka, double the GCN's power. It's Sony that's blowing shit outta whack by going 32bit, 128bit, 512bit. And Microsoft isn't even making logical jumps, if we pretend the Xbox was 128bit, then the 360, or "Xbox 1.5" would be like, 198bit.
Yeah it's kinda retarded but if you think about it outside the "bit" labelling, it makes sense. Nintendo isn't really doing anything wrong, they're just being normal.
Back in the old days, generations "doubled." There was 8bit. Then there was 16bit. Then 32bit. Then 64bit. Around last gen, the lines started to blur. But say the GCN, hypothetically, was 128bit. Then the Revolution is just following industry standard by being 256bit, aka, double the GCN's power. It's Sony that's blowing shit outta whack by going 32bit, 128bit, 512bit. And Microsoft isn't even making logical jumps, if we pretend the Xbox was 128bit, then the 360, or "Xbox 1.5" would be like, 198bit.
Yeah it's kinda retarded but if you think about it outside the "bit" labelling, it makes sense. Nintendo isn't really doing anything wrong, they're just being normal.
citrus lump
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So you're saying the Rev is more powerful than the 360.WordAssassin said:
WordAssassin
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Argh, God dammit. I knew something was off there.citrus lump said:So you're saying the Rev is more powerful than the 360.
Think of it like, Nintendo and Sega used to just double their bits. Then Sony came in and started trying to cram as much power into their systems as possible, doubling from the PSX to the PS2, and now with PS3 they're off the chart. Microsoft is doing that too, but they're not doubling like Nintendo does, and they're not jammin' high like Sony. They're like, doing it right in between.
So say everything up till now was double power. GCN to Rev is double power. PS2 to PS3 is like quintuple power. Xbox to 360 is like triple-half power?
citrus lump
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WordAssassin said:
Sony says 1000 ;p
On another note I have a revolution idea/question. To play DVDs ,a separate attachment is needed. I wonder if it'll be a little part that goes on the bottom of the Revmote that just has play/stop/forward/reverse?
It'd be neat if for menu scrolling if you could just move your hand around, and just hit the big A to enter.
the androgyne
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That sounds like a good idea! I seem to remember them saying the dvd attachment would be internally fitted? Perhaps like saturns battery is replaceable under a cover or something. Please correct me if i'm wrong, my memory is vague!
WordAssassin
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SHUT UP! Just shut, the fuck, up! GOD!citrus lump said:
citrus lump
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Now that you say that, I think you're right.
Nintendo has to loss lead 360 by more than $50 not to be severly overlooked, either that or bundle some real goodies with it for $250. I think the classic controller shell has always been an essential bundle accesory for Nintendo to truly have all their bases covered. Giving people some free downloads would be good too so they get their feet wet with WiFi Connection and Virtual Console. Maybe a cupon for like $10 off Twilight Princess. A second controller would be really nice too but I doubt it unless they did some kind of two price point uber bundle which I could jive with. Like MS, Nintendo could just rape at launch and then trim the fat after the holidays. Point is Nintendo has to be agressive in order to really get everyone's attention. Sure they have some diehard fans that will but the system for $298 but that's not enough to sustain a healthy console as evidenced GC and devs jumping ship. With risk increasing Nintendo's console is by far the riskiest for everyone involved regardless of the potential payoffs of their gamble.
So in order to shamelessly plug Guitar Hero, I think like that excellent game people will really need to get their hands on it to understand it. However price is a barrier to entry and for Nintendo to play up the affordability angle they really have to leverage it as a strength and out price the competition through bundled value if they're even thinking about $250. Regardless of what Nintendo says it is competition that they have and with 3 viable consoles on the market and two handhelds it's more crowded than ever. If it's truly a Revolution like then they need get it into people's hands and get word of mouth out there and at $250 they won't be able to get off to a strong start which is key. I think $200 is a sweet spot for multiconsole owners, casuals, nostalgics, and non gamers and I hope Nintendo knows that too. They may be on top in handhelds but when it comes to consoles they're underdogs with something to prove and I wish them all the best but if they launch barebones at $250 those games are gonna have to be amazing for them to stay in the console game. 3 strikes ya know.
So in order to shamelessly plug Guitar Hero, I think like that excellent game people will really need to get their hands on it to understand it. However price is a barrier to entry and for Nintendo to play up the affordability angle they really have to leverage it as a strength and out price the competition through bundled value if they're even thinking about $250. Regardless of what Nintendo says it is competition that they have and with 3 viable consoles on the market and two handhelds it's more crowded than ever. If it's truly a Revolution like then they need get it into people's hands and get word of mouth out there and at $250 they won't be able to get off to a strong start which is key. I think $200 is a sweet spot for multiconsole owners, casuals, nostalgics, and non gamers and I hope Nintendo knows that too. They may be on top in handhelds but when it comes to consoles they're underdogs with something to prove and I wish them all the best but if they launch barebones at $250 those games are gonna have to be amazing for them to stay in the console game. 3 strikes ya know.
AndoCalrissian
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If you think Cube has no worthwhile games at all then you crazy.Johnny said:
the androgyne
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I'm not going to quote myself from earlier in this thread - but no-one commented on what i said about both the Classic Shell and Nunchaku attachments - what's the general consensus?
I reckon they should include both in the base set, to avoid market segmentation - though arguably only the Classic Shell is a true necessity for bundles...
Will they have more than one bundle type?
I reckon they should include both in the base set, to avoid market segmentation - though arguably only the Classic Shell is a true necessity for bundles...
Will they have more than one bundle type?
All about the graphics with you people isn't it! More power provides more than just pretty textures and higher polygonal characters. It allows devs to create far larger more interactive worlds with physics and interactivity going on all over the place. Thats why SK jumped ship, as they wanted to make "epic" large scale games with the power to do so. Same i'd imagine for Factor 5.
For me, I wouldn't pay more than £120 for Revolution at launch. I picked up a GCN when the price plummeted here in england, but even then it still feels like a foolhardy purchase. Not to mention Nintendo arent specifically aiming at customers like me, theyre aiming for the 'other market', the one that would laugh at the concept of buying a £200+ console. This market bought the DS because it was just lurking in their price range and was enough of a novelty to warrant purchase, not to mention it being a portable they can play anywhere. The same isnt going to be the case for a console that needs to sit next to a tv in a room with enough space to wave about like a spastic.
Thats where Sony and Microsofts war for the living room is most noteable, as quite often for a family, a console has to be 'justified' before being bought. For the PS2 it was a cheap ass dvd player, the xbox also a dvd player but with a harddrive on for storing music and whatnot. The x360 is appealing with Live and all of its messenger gubbins and streaming content, and the ps3 will have the appeal of being a Blue Ray player. But for a family, BECAUSE Nintendo is just "all about the games" it might come unstuck if its price even near the others.
Nobody sane enough here can say that the Revolution would be the only console worth having, and the phrase has been coined that its an "and" purchase. The price has to reflect that, unless the end to that is "and fuck off I'm not paying that for a waving remote control!"
For me, I wouldn't pay more than £120 for Revolution at launch. I picked up a GCN when the price plummeted here in england, but even then it still feels like a foolhardy purchase. Not to mention Nintendo arent specifically aiming at customers like me, theyre aiming for the 'other market', the one that would laugh at the concept of buying a £200+ console. This market bought the DS because it was just lurking in their price range and was enough of a novelty to warrant purchase, not to mention it being a portable they can play anywhere. The same isnt going to be the case for a console that needs to sit next to a tv in a room with enough space to wave about like a spastic.
Thats where Sony and Microsofts war for the living room is most noteable, as quite often for a family, a console has to be 'justified' before being bought. For the PS2 it was a cheap ass dvd player, the xbox also a dvd player but with a harddrive on for storing music and whatnot. The x360 is appealing with Live and all of its messenger gubbins and streaming content, and the ps3 will have the appeal of being a Blue Ray player. But for a family, BECAUSE Nintendo is just "all about the games" it might come unstuck if its price even near the others.
Nobody sane enough here can say that the Revolution would be the only console worth having, and the phrase has been coined that its an "and" purchase. The price has to reflect that, unless the end to that is "and fuck off I'm not paying that for a waving remote control!"
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