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[LordOcidax]

This E3 is not looking good for Sony...

 

[Bgamer90]

Sony gains nothing they alredy have 60 million consumers. It would only benefit the other consoles. Nothing about arrogance, yes it sucks but this is business.

Rocket League is popular on all consoles. Them allowing this for this game wouldn't cause a sudden boost and/or drop of console sales. Please.

 

[Cuburt]

There goes the only reason for me to pay for PS+ online.

 

[Mushroomer25]

They won't be giving that up because cross-platform play at a basis level means having friends on other platforms is irrelevant as you wouldn't be able to play online to together with a party system built in-game to handle all the platforms.

What? Cross-platform play means that if I want to play Minecraft or Rocket League (or potentially any other game, if this becomes the expected standard) with Sony friends, I don't have to buy a PS4. Meaning a lost sale for Sony.

Rocket League is popular on all consoles. Them allowing this for this game wouldn't cause a sudden boost and/or drop of console sales. Please.

They don't want to normalize crossplay with XBox on any game. Sony does not want people to start expecting that platform choice doesn't matter for multiplayer.

 

[LNBL]

How is it consistently bad PR when the main outrage comes from a niche enthusiast gaming forum?

I'm being legit. What bothers us doesn't always apply to the consumer base at large. PS4 is over 60 million sell through and isn't slowing down. This hasn't damaged them at all. IN fact they've grown PS+ subscriptions.

Venture to twitter. Make a hashtag. Tweet Sony execs and those in games media. Ask them to write stories about this.

The news isn't even over an hour old, chill. People can be angry at sony here if they want. It being a small niche group as you say, doesn't make less of an issue.

 

[chicken_pasta]

Sony has more players on PS4 than Xbox one and switch combined times by 2.

Tell me again how they gain from this?

Rocket League has sold 10m worldwide, and around 6m of those sales come from Steam. The other 4m is split between PS4 and Xbox. They definitely don't have a larger user base than Steam.

 

[Orniletter]

Between last night's conference, Jim Ryan's BC comments, and this, this has not been a good week for Sony.

They've been pricks ever since the PS4's been flying of the shelves and they didn't have to pretend with their #4TheGamers / #4ThePlayers crap anymore.

 

[spock]

Any word on if you can do some kind of local play via switch and xbox on the same network?

 

[Lothars]

Been doing it all gen just no one has been calling them out since everyone has been fucking up. Paid online literally snuck into the e3 ps4 reveal and then psn is still awful and ps+ is worse than ever. BC murdered and then fans laughed at for wanting it. MS and Nintendo are both just scrambling back after their trouncing while Sony has stayed the same and the mall if starting to slip. That said, they still have a shit ton of defacto Japanese exclusives and strong first party.

I don't agree, they have been making mostly the right moves. PSN is as good if not better than XBL. PS+ is still really good and has been fairly consistent.

The cross platform issues are the biggest mistake they are making. It's a huge mess up especially with Rocket League and Minecraft. Sony after being so open with cross play for the last two generations are now seemingly closed it up.

It sucks and I hope there's enough backlash for them to change their minds regarding crossplay with all systems.

I do. Sony's resistance is bad for all of the gamers, splitting the pool of people they can play with. I've been playing the game since the beta on PS4 and would fully support Psyonix doing this. To be honest at this point I would love to see a 2011 PSN hack level shutdown, because at this point I feel like there's nothing else that will cure Sony of their stubbornness and staleness this gen.

How stupid are you to want them to be hacked again. What a stupid post.

 

[axisofweevils]

It's kinda nuts that Nintendo is so open to this cross platform stuff. I love Switch Nintendo.

Some games even did it back on Wii U. Its not a sudden change of policy.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Keep putting the pressure MS and Switch. Make sony cave.

 

[Complicated]

Nintendo a more forward-thinking (less backwards is probably more accurate) online company than Sony. What a time to be alive.

 

[mugurumakensei]

This still doesn't make sense.

SFV is cross-play between PS4 and PC. Rocket League is cross-play PC and PS4. FFXIV is crossplay with PS4, PS3.

So why not Minecraft? Console Rocket League?

Is it because the Xbox is involved?

Sony doesn't want any cross-play between any non-Sony console be it from Nintendo or MS.

 

[yukianderson]

Rocket League is popular on all consoles. Them allowing this for this game wouldn't cause a sudden boost and/or drop of console sales. Please.

They have more players on PS4 than Xbone and Switch combine that's why the other consoles want to do this. If you don't like it talk with your wallet just don't buy the game that's the only way things will change. I do not agree with ether.

 

[Currygan]

 

[Cmerrill]

Nintendo a more forward-thinking online company than Sony. What a time to be alive.

Seriously? Let's not get carried away here.

 

[Lé Blade Runner]

I am Rocketeer on PC. The chance to do the grind again with the glorious Pro-controller on Switch? ROCKET LEAGUE WHEREVER I GO?!? Yep. Double-dipping like it was yesterday.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

If you can't actually coordinate with friends on other platforms cross platform loses its luster for me. I guess it's nice to have a healthy base of players but I don't see that being a problem with RL on PS4 any time soon.

 

[LNBL]

I don't agree, they have been making mostly the right moves. PSN is as good if not better than XBL. PS+ is still really good and has been fairly consistent.

The cross platform issues are the biggest mistake they are making. It's a huge mess up especially with Rocket League and Minecraft. Sony after being so open with cross play for the last two generations are now seemingly closed it up.

It sucks and I hope there's enough backlash for them to change their minds regarding crossplay with all systems.

Eh, not really

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

Is this going to affect overall enjoyment of the game for Sony players and XB1/PC/Switch players?
No

Yeah, not being able to play with my friend who only owns a Switch totally doesn't effect my enjoyment.

 

[fleshrender]

It's good for the developers who want to release their products on PS4, in turn it's good for Sony.

 

[Mengetsu]

If this bad publicity keeps up I can see an announcement on PSX or E3 next year of them changing this. I don't care personally but, for the community sake it should be open for everyone.

 

[Qurupeke]

What the fuck is Sony doing??

 

[The Artisan]

oh my god. I wonder if this thread is gonna go 30+ pages like the Minecraft thread is

Is there a valid reason for Sony to not do this? Other than we're market leader and don't feel like it?

if that's all there is, this = arrogance

Sony gains nothing they alredy have 60 million consumers. It would only benefit the other consoles.

No such thing as nothing. Sony gains good publicity by doing this.

Nothing about arrogance, yes it sucks but this is business.

It sucks, because its arrogance.

If their base isn't saying anything. If the media isn't saying anything then at the moment. No they don't care.

They would seem to be perfectly content with the amount of users they have now+plus PC.

The only outrage has been confined to pretty much this forum. It hasn't gone viral at all.

An uproar on NeoGAF is all it took for Naughty Dog to address the Nadine Ross Uc4 controversy.

You can make private games and be matchmaked randomly with other consoles. There is still however no crossplatform parties.

What this means is if there is an xbox or Switch person in a lobby PS4 can't join and vice versa.

back when rocket league came out and it was just Ps4 and PC, there was a way to matchmake if you had a friend on the other platform. but it'd have to be a private match

They did it with Portal back then PS3 was selling badly. They do let Capcom with Street Figther, maybe because they do not consider that platform competition like the Xbone and switch.

well if sony "gains nothing" then why allow it?

They lose a competitive advantage. Tons of people bought PS4s just to play with their friends. That Network effect is the main reason Sony is winning this generation. It won't be something they give up lightly.

No they don't. allowing crossplay doesn't disallow regular network play.

Now we wait for the people that defended sony in blocking Minecraft crossplay to defend this as well

smfh. I hated that thread, I'm gonna hate this one now.

 

[Fergie]

Sony apparently only wants to allow crossplay if they can confirm all accounts connected (Xbox, Steam, Switch, etc) have a PSN account with a paid plus subscription.

Doesn't sound plausible at all, source?

 

[Lazaro]

So Nintendo is defending itself from PlayStation and XBOX?

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

It's generous of them to even allow a solution like that. PS+ is the value that keeps giving.

Joke post?

 

[Vinnk]

Wow there really is a defense force for everything...

If you are a Sony stockholder, yes, you can be happy with the decisions this major corporation is making.

If, you are not financially invested in Sony, then how is this better for gamers?

 

[jonscrambler]

of course we know the business reason why Sony doesn't want to allow it, but I don't know why anyone as a consumer would defend their anti-consumer practice

 

[Lothars]

Eh, not really

Yup It is absolutely true.

 

[quickwhips]

Sony has more players on PS4 than Xbox one and switch combined times by 2.

Tell me again how they gain from this?

Not al those people are playing rocket league or mine craft. The more people that we have for player pools the better. This is like how dlc maps would separate user bases.

 

[LukasTaves]

I just don't get why sony is doing this.

Sure they still have a large userbase and that's a plus for getting their console, but staying out of cross play hurts them more than allowing it. If one user has a Ps4 and any other machine there's less reason for him to buy the Ps4 version of the game if he wants to play with people on other platforms, whereas he could perfectly purchase the Ps4 version and still play with them.

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

Yeah, not being able to play with my friend who only owns a Switch totally doesn't effect my enjoyment.

They're not your friend if they didn't purchase the same console as you.

Time to find new friends.

And you are also gonna need another platform to communicate.

 

[GhostTrick]

They have more players on PS4 than Xbone and Switch combine that's why the other consoles want to do this. If you don't like it talk with your wallet just don't buy the game that's the only way things will change.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll get it as "people didn't buy because of no crossplay".

Guess what, the player pool between PC/Android/iOS/Xbox/Switch will totally dwarf the one on PS4 for Minecraft. Same for Rocket League. At some point, when everyone is doing it, you must do it too.

 

[GTSweet]

It must be a evil MS Contract !/s

LOL, yeah, Microsoft moneyhatting Nintendo again! Damn them!

 

[The Artisan]

If you can't actually coordinate with friends on other platforms cross platform loses its luster for me.

allowing crossplay to begin with is the first step. if everybody is on board this gen, then next gen it will probably be made easier to coordinate with your friends on other platforms.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

More great news for gamers

Another thread with corporate cheerleaders telling me why I should be happy about a company being shitty about a NO BRAINER policy that even "backwards Nintendo lol" has had right for two consecutive generations

 

[Fergie]

If you can't actually coordinate with friends on other platforms cross platform loses its luster for me. I guess it's nice to have a healthy base of players but I don't see that being a problem with RL on PS4 any time soon.

Cross-network groups would be nice, so far I think it's either random chance or it has to be a private match.

 

[mcrommert]

Keep these laughably transparent excuses for Sony coming...most enjoyable part of E3 so far

 

[Doffen]

Sony just protecting their players from Xbox try-hards.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I just don't get why sony is doing this.

Sure they still have a large userbase and that's a plus for getting their console, but staying out of cross play hurts them more than allowing it. If one user has a Ps4 and any other machine there's less reason for him to buy the Ps4 version of the game if he wants to play with people on other platforms, whereas he could perfectly purchase the Ps4 version and still play with them.

Do you even notice when you are playing with someone from another platform? Iirc on rocket league PS4 this wasn't the case.

 

[Eggbok]

So Nintendo is defending itself from PlayStation and XBOX?

Mauls saber are the joycons

 

[Mokubba]

Rocket League has sold 10m worldwide, and around 6m of those sales come from Steam. The other 4m is split between PS4 and Xbox. They definitely don't have a larger user base than Steam.

Does the 4m split for PS4 & Xbox include those who got it on PS+

 

[Pinky]

Keep these laughably transparent excuses for Sony coming...most enjoyable part of E3 so far

.

 

[TimeEffect]

Its time to use our greatest tool to get Sony to change their mind

A hashtag

 

[Lothars]

I just don't get why sony is doing this.

Sure they still have a large userbase and that's a plus for getting their console, but staying out of cross play hurts them more than allowing it. If one user has a Ps4 and any other machine there's less reason for him to buy the Ps4 version of the game if he wants to play with people on other platforms, whereas he could perfectly purchase the Ps4 version and still play with them.

I agree, Sony should be allowing this.

 

[The Artisan]

Sony has more players on PS4 than Xbox one and switch combined times by 2.

Tell me again how they gain from this?

they gain good publicity.

 

[Synth]

If I can get a full remake with new graphics, no, updated graphics...probably and upgrade to the controls and graphics for $40, I'd rather that than buying the old version that's pretty outdated. Some games do well with an update....let's be real.

Both should ideally be an option. I can buy Gears Ultimate Edition, or I can just play my 360 copy of Gears 1. Not everyone wants to spend $40 again to play the same game on the third platform in the same ecosystem.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Rocket League has sold 10m worldwide, and around 6m of those sales come from Steam. The other 4m is split between PS4 and Xbox. They definitely don't have a larger user base than Steam.

They already have cross play with PC

 

[Complicated]

Do you even notice when you are playing with someone from another platform? Iirc on rocket league PS4 this wasn't the case.

On Xbox you can tell who is a PC player. Xbox players have gamerpics on the scoreboard.