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"Ronda Rousey Is a Man Amongst Women" says former UFC HW Champ, Brock Lesnar
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fivepersondude
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Her only problem is no competition. Tate3? Really...
old
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She has been training in Judo since she was 11. How many of her opponents have been training since they were that age? Training that young not only gives her more experience but there also seems to be added benefits of starting younger. One year of training at 11 seems to yield more benefit than one year of training at 29; which is why most competitive professions like sports, chess, and classical instruments are dominated by those who began training at very young ages.
She just a beat a woman who two years ago was an accountant. Bethe Correia didn't start training until her mid to late 20's. To illuminate how ridiculous that is, how many guys make an nfl team when they pickup football in their late 20's? How many guys on the Detroit Redwings had never played hockey until after their 25th birthday? How many latecomers are there in the top echelons of professional sports?
One day MMA, like almost any other sport, it will be dominated by people who started training at 4 or 5. For example, Jeff Gordon started racing when he was that age. Messi was playing soccer at 5. Tiger Woods started golfing at 3. Until then, Rousey is the closest thing to that on the women's side has.
She just a beat a woman who two years ago was an accountant. Bethe Correia didn't start training until her mid to late 20's. To illuminate how ridiculous that is, how many guys make an nfl team when they pickup football in their late 20's? How many guys on the Detroit Redwings had never played hockey until after their 25th birthday? How many latecomers are there in the top echelons of professional sports?
One day MMA, like almost any other sport, it will be dominated by people who started training at 4 or 5. For example, Jeff Gordon started racing when he was that age. Messi was playing soccer at 5. Tiger Woods started golfing at 3. Until then, Rousey is the closest thing to that on the women's side has.
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DonasaurusRex
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NCAA career maybe?
Thug Waffle
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That's the gist of it. I'm not surprised people are offended by it. Doesn't bother me at all.
I don't think she's a super athlete. It's not that she isn't athletically capable, it's just I don't see why nearly any women could not condition themselves in such a way through enough hard work.
I just don't think she was raised to be a princess. That and she had exposure to fight technique from young. That's why she stands a cut above. That early childhood conditioning counts for a lot.
If more girls were encouraged to do what they wanted to do early in life instead of having gender constraints rammed down their throats (aka martial arts instead of fairies and unicorns if they wanted) she'd have a lot more competition.
I just don't think she was raised to be a princess. That and she had exposure to fight technique from young. That's why she stands a cut above. That early childhood conditioning counts for a lot.
If more girls were encouraged to do what they wanted to do early in life instead of having gender constraints rammed down their throats (aka martial arts instead of fairies and unicorns if they wanted) she'd have a lot more competition.
-MD-
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Indeed, and she'll never see that level of competition before she retires. In 5-10 years the women's division will be full of Ronda Rouseys and she'll be long gone.
The world is full of delusional people, GAF and this thread are no exception.
I'd be more inclined to believe someone who didn't say "women sports are c-tier", but hey.
And the current count, for those still keeping track, is now "2".
Piku_Ringo
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More like she has become the Legendary Super Earthling that is said to appear once every few thousand years.
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will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
She is truly chicken salad in a division of chicken shit.
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I can take both, they don't look very strong in those pictures!
Moff
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it's obvious what he meant, in most sports men are stronger because they have biological advantages in physical strength. feminism doesnt mean that we need to deny or ignore things like that. it would be something completely different if the same comment would be made for a CEO, employee or anything else that doesnt involve physical strength.
unknownstranger
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I have 0 issue with it. Feels more appropriate than the alternative "a women amongst girls".
IsntChrisL
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Some of you guys just love to throw shitfits over everything. Women are typically weaker than men and not as good at fighting. That doesn't change because you don't like to hear it. Lesner complimented her. Not everyone gets to speak 100% politically correct behind a keyboard.
Hours Left
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Because that like saying that are the qualities she possess are not something you'd find in a woman, implying that any true physical strength is inherently a male trait, which is false.
Also, he has a history of previous unsavory comments, so it's not surprising that people would question his thought process, despite the fact that he may be trying to be complementary in this instance.
brochiller
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On average, men are stronger than women.
The strongest men are stronger than the strongest women.
Women's bench press world record: 440 lbs
Men's bench press world record: 722 lbs
If the top male MMA fighter/boxer fought in the women's division of his respective sport, he would dominate. That's what Lesnar is saying Rousey is doing right now. It doesn't matter what he said in the past there is nothing wrong or sexist about this comment.
True Savior
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It's a shame it stops immediately when he just starts gazing while sited in the car. Gif is amazing but it had even more potential.
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Napoleonthechimp
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This was also how I interpreted it.
Hours Left
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Why does her domination of the sport mean she should be compared to a man? Why aren't her accomplishments enough on their own merit, without trying to quantify them to be something other than the product of hard work and dedication? Colluding her success to be something that would only be attributed to a man is wrong.
Try looking at this from a reverse angle, let's say there we were talking about an exceptional male dancer, (to use an obvious gender biased example) genetically a woman's body is more fluid & flexible than a man's, would saying "he's a woman amongst men" be acceptable? Of course not.
IonicSnake
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ldcommando
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I miss her, she was too good for this cruel world we live in.
Chuckie
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I thought Holy was a guy :O
Strangely, I feel like "a woman amongst girls" is somehow more sexist.
And while the original statement was exactly sensitive to everyone's views on sex... lets not get crazy. Lesnar's perspective is from that of competitive fighting and there is a clear differential between women and men in that field.
DoktorEvil
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1. She's so good that it's like a man is fighting in the woman's division. If you put a man in the woman's division he would dominate, just like Ronda. This is nothing about dedication or willpower, just genetic differences.
2. Is there any truth to this among the highest tier of dancers? Among the highest tier of athletes there is a clear difference in performance among men and women. I don't think the reverse is true among dancers.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Because, in athletics, men are clearly and objectively the gold standard of performance in almost every event. There's a reason women's sports don't attract nearly the level of interest men's do, unless there is a Rousey-like figure, and it's precisely because the very thing that most interests people about athletics is human physical boundaries being consistently pushed to the limits, with the implied possibility of achieving new heights in the process. For better or worse, that is the domain almost exclusively of men.
Wow, that's a complete twisting of the construction that was used. There is already quite a bit of discussion over an obviously poorly worded statement without fabricating hate in a false example.
Dude Abides
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She is a PS4 amongst WiiUs, a DS amongst Vitas.
It's a joke, yes.
What you call "poorly worded" I would call "obnoxious and sexist." I am mocking Lesnar, as he deserves to be mocked.
A PC amongst consoles?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The race example doesn't really work because Lesnar is not invoking bigotry for bigotry's sake, nor invoking a standard of comparison shown by science to be basically meaningless. Sex is one of the most consistently meaningful factors in human athletics.
Let's look at it another way. Female pornographic performers are quite a bit more popular than male performers, in straight pornography. Occasionally, though, you will see a male attain "name" status, like that James Deen guy. Were you to describe such gentlemen as "women among men", that would, given the context of the comparison, make sense, and would be complimentary.
Let's look at it another way. Female pornographic performers are quite a bit more popular than male performers, in straight pornography. Occasionally, though, you will see a male attain "name" status, like that James Deen guy. Were you to describe such gentlemen as "women among men", that would, given the context of the comparison, make sense, and would be complimentary.
I have to disagree, in my opinion it was a mis-wording of a commonly used complimentary phrase.
Ninja Scooter
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He is clearly not the brightest bulb or a wordsmith. The wwe doesn't even trust him to cut his own promos. Even Buff Bagwell cut his own promos. You have to look at intent and context and in this case it's pretty clear he was trying to pay her a complement and simply say she is a cut above her competition.
Well, pretty much everyone in here that doesn't have a problem with the statement, construes the side that does as people ignorant towards biology when that isn't the case, so there's already quite a bit of fabricating going on.
DoktorEvil
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But:
He was. He just worded it very, very poorly. There's a reason he doesn't talk much in the WWE and has Paul Heyman as a mouthpiece.
FalsettoVibe
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This is awesome.
Ya got that one backwards, Vita would smash the DS's pretty little fucking face in the MMA ring for sure.
Of course, then the DS would go one to sell 5 times the merchandise rights and star in multiple blockbuster movies...
But everyone would know that the Vita was the better fighter regardless.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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My main point is that the phrase is worth the faintest twinge of annoyance, at best, in this context, because it's one of the only contexts where using men as the gold standard of comparison is not only logical, but rooted in biological and statistical fact. I'm all for mocking that "girls in the laboratory" fellow, but this is quite different.
Corronchilejano
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This is just stretching it.
'Well I think she is a super athlete in a weak division I really do, I think that she is a man amongst women in the womens division and I take my hat off to her she is doing excellent job at what she is doing. I don't know how she is juggling everything, I mean movies and this that and the other thing, and going to brazil and kicking butt over there and doing all the stuff she is doing. My hat is off to you Ronda, I really think... I'm not taking any talent away from her at all she is a super beast super freak in the womens division''
Pundit- 'Absolutely I think she would be successfully in the WWE'
''Absolutely''
Clear full of hate and raging sexism.
Pundit- 'Absolutely I think she would be successfully in the WWE'
''Absolutely''
Clear full of hate and raging sexism.
Ninja Scooter
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Nah the Vita is like the Phil Baroni of handhelds. Great look with cartoon muscles but gasses after 3 minutes. DS is like Royce Gracie. Looks like shit but somehow manages to win.
PHOENIXZERO
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I think Holy was a bit of all of us.
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