Benzychenz
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Rosalina AND LUMA Confirmed For Smash Bros!
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foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
im tired of this argument, this is not how this works, rosalina being in doesnt mean king K rool is out, how in the hell did anyone even come to this conclusion? furthermore, sakurai can still choose to not include king K rool it depends entirely on sakurai ot on somehow king k rool getting out when rosalina is revealed??? seriously how in the fuck did people come to this conclusion
Bowser JR and King Boo would have gotten in before rool.
Hell they still can get in.
Its before rool doe.
Missed this gem?
Posted before the e3 direct
Also: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros
Joe Prodigy
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Awesome character reveal! Can't wait to try her out.
I sure did. A reputable source, I assume? Yuk at Pac Man though.
Professor Beef
Banned
Wasn't sure how to react to Rosalina, but then saw she played like a more advanced Ice Climbers. Color me intrigued.
astarisborn94
Member
Initially, I was against her inclusion, feeling as she was "undeserving" and not interesting. Glad to see I was wrong, though. Rosalina looks really great and I especially liked DaBoss's analysis on her. Can't wait to play as her and the same goes for Wii Fit Trainer, Villager and especially Mega Man.
This can mean only good things for the roster. It means that Sakurai isn't shying away from existing series characters like many was speculating .It also means that the pool for characters is a lot wider than people think and that people underestimate the weight uniqueness carries for potential additions.
I felt vindicated when Mega Man got in and I went through the roofs after his confirmation. Don't regret a single second of that moment.
This can mean only good things for the roster. It means that Sakurai isn't shying away from existing series characters like many was speculating .It also means that the pool for characters is a lot wider than people think and that people underestimate the weight uniqueness carries for potential additions.
Super Smash Bros. is a celebration of characters from the Nintendo universe (and a few guests as well). This is a game that has a huge emphasis on bringing together characters from all space of the Nintendo universe with the fans hoping that one day, their favorite character will join Smash as a playable character. It is why you see so much going on in regards to hype and why its hype scene is like no others. When one of the favorite characters comes in, the fans rejoice. It is also the place for some of the biggest drama in the pre-launch era.
I felt vindicated when Mega Man got in and I went through the roofs after his confirmation. Don't regret a single second of that moment.
We had five in Melee. With five characters in this game in a roster larger than Brawl, I'd hardly call that over-representation. Seven Pokémon characters (counting transformation) is hardly over-representation either. I'm okay with Zelda staying at four, though.
They aren't, that's just a relatively common misconception.
Likely because Sakurai went through the Mario characters and picked the ones he saw to contribute most to game play (remember, Sakurai is emphasizing strongly on the uniqueness of characters), which turned out to be Rosalina for him.
I still heavily doubted Rosalina after Super Mario 3D World. I don't really take recency into account, so that announcement did nothing for me. Toad and Bowser Jr. are also more important than Rosalina overall, so I expected them before Rosalina (although I was skeptical on a fifth Mario character). I bet Rosalina was added because of the unique potential Sakurai saw in her.
We're at the point where individual characters by themselves don't sell the game anymore. All the characters that will sell the game in droves are already going to be in. Plus just because Rosalina gets in doesn't mean that Ridley, Little Mac and King K. Rool won't. It's like saying that R.O.B. cost Ridley his spot in Brawl.
Shotgun Kiss
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I think a big reason Rosalina made it in is because she's a female rep, which is somewhat lacking in the Smash Bros. series.
I think Dixie Kong has a good chance of making it in too. Her inclusion in DKCR: Tropical Freeze certainly helps. Though personally I'd much rather see K. Rool.
I think Dixie Kong has a good chance of making it in too. Her inclusion in DKCR: Tropical Freeze certainly helps. Though personally I'd much rather see K. Rool.
astarisborn94
Member
Regarding King K. Rool and Dixie Kong, why not have both? They're both great, memorable characters that are highly requested and at least for King K. Rool, has a lot to work with.
jackissocool
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That's Waluigi's place. Nobody but him can represent the spin offs.
After what they did to Mega Man, I'd give Sakurai the benefit of the doubt on that. Pac-Man didn't always suck.
Assuming any of that is true.
I'd give Giovanni the nod first, not that he'll ever be in a Smash game, and Ridley's all over Metroid.
More importantly, K. Rool's boring. He's barely even in the DKC games, and while you can be a good villain with nothing but a final boss appearance, it has to be a damn good one, and Rare's boss fights were always their weakest point. The guy's got absolutely nothing going for him and doesn't fill any sort of a niche in Smash that isn't already occupied.
Bolded and underlined for truth. Don't understand why anyone would want him at all. I loved the original DKC games on the SNES, but K. Rool and the Kremlings were not something I remember with any particular fondness.
Spring-Loaded
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If people can pine for Balloon Fighter as a playable character and not get yelled out of a thread, then people hoping for King K.Rool, the biggest and most reoccurring villain from one of the most prominent Nintendo series, should be able to do that same
It sounds more and more like Sakurai's only adding characters if he has an intriguing, revolutionary idea for them. They have to bring something truly new to the table, or they're not worth it. I think personally it'd be cool to have a really proportionally large character to shake things up.
You know who I'm talking about.
You know who I'm talking about.
Giga Bowser
Giovanni isn't an iconic villain. If I had to rank it, the top 5 (not ordered) would be Bowser, Ganon, King Dedede, Team Rocket / Mewtwo (don't really consider the latter a villain though), and King K. Rool.
I guess Retro made it cool to hate on the Kremlings considering I don't recall this level of hate for those characters prior to Returns. Retro's enemies are much worse, they are very bland, uninteresting, and lack the charisma that the Kremlings had. (This is just a general problem with Retro's interpretation of DKC in general though that lacks the spirit of the old series) Go rewatch some scenes from Rare's Donkey Kong games and I think it will be apparent why people like those characters.
In regards to K. Rool in particular, the idea that he brings nothing to the table is complete and utter false bullshit. His largest character trait is that he shows up unexpectedly each time with a different persona from his typical king garb, to a pirate, a mad scientist, and a boxer. I'm a fan of Dixie Kong too, but anyone that says that she would make a better fit or that K. Rool wouldn't be fun to play must have a foggy memory of the original games. As far as him not being relevant, I think it is important that games like Smash Bros. represent the entire spectrum of Nintendo's history rather than just the latest craze, so I hope that the original trilogy / DK64 are thrown a bone with a stage or something because it would be quite boring for everything to be represented by Returns and Tropical Freeze.
EatinOlives
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WHY IS THERE NO ADVENTURE MODE IN THIS GAME >:|
Freezie KO
Banned
Because you can view the cutscenes on YouTube.
They basically made an entire game mode purely as a framing device for cutscenes
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
K Rool is awesome and gives DK a big villain in the vein of other games. The Ice Climbers are boring as shit so is the animal crossing dude get their in
One of the silliest things he has said. Let's not make cool cutscenes that everyone liked anymore because some people will watch them on Youtube.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I dunno, K. Rool's the only remotely interesting bossfight in DKC (I can't think of any other bossfight where the villain resorts to throwing a fake credits sequence at you), and both of DKC2's boss fights with him were really cool tests of reaction times and jumping too. DKC3's really the only weak fight out of the Rare DKC final boss fights IMO. DK64's K. Rool fight is also night in how it integrates the game's various weapons and gameplay mechanics, though it also drags on for too long and doesn't really make up for that game being dull as hell overall.
It's sort of a mute point though, given a potential 3rd DK rep willl obviously be either Dixie Kong or Cranky Kong at this rate. They're far more prominent and well-known.
... There is an adventure mode? I don't know why, especially after how hated SSE was everybody collectively assumed 'no cutscenes' meant no single-player content whatsoever.
I mean the reasoning Sakurai gave for it not returning is ridiculous, but either way I thought SSE was a pretty widely disliked feature of Brawl. Hope that extra dev time goes to more characters and overall polish.
don't be trash talking the ice climbers now. they can fuck shit up
EmCeeGramr
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people do realize that sakurai never said that ssb4 wouldn't have a single player mode, right
The Bankslammer
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if something hasn't been revealed yet it isn't in the game
just like how we can all consider yoshi as good as cut now
just like how we can all consider yoshi as good as cut now
TDLink
Member
Cranky Kong tho
Freezie KO
Banned
Yes. And I'm fairly certain all these cutscenes we're getting (like the Rosalina one) will be on the disc anyway.
Spring-Loaded
Member
DK's final smash.
I was only commenting on him saying that he doesn't think they should make anymore cool cutscenes because seeing them on YT depressed him. Knowing Sakurai, he probably wants to make another fancy adventure mode again even if the game has to be delayed. He did say it wouldn't look like the Subspace Emissary though, right? Or did I dream that?
I didn't say he was iconic, just recognizable, and he's got one very, very big game and fifteen years of anime appearances backing that up. Nintendo's only iconic villain is Bowser.
I didn't mind the Kremlings. As mooks go, they were decently varied and had a fair bit of personality. It's just their boss that Rare never had a single good idea for.
You can pine for him all you want, and god knows I've got my own list of longshots, but this idea that he's somehow more deserving than any of the newcomers we've seen so far rankles me.
lol at no one taking the bait.
GiantBreadbug
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I don't think his Tropical Freeze appearance will factor in just as much as Super Mario Galaxy and Rosalina didn't matter for Brawl due to the proximity of the game releases. If Cranky gets in then it is based on his prior series history which could be interesting, but I think it really comes down to Dixie and K. Rool. What could also be in favor of K. Rool is that Dixie was absent from Returns as well, which means that either character would make it in based on their prior appearances rather than Retro's contributions, once again under the assumption that Sakurai didn't take knowledge of Tropical Freeze into the character design phase.
TDLink
Member
Speaking seriously, I think Dixie has the highest chance as a new DK rep. But I also think Cranky has a pretty good chance (not even taking Tropical Freeze into account), and probably a higher chance than K. Rool. I'd love to see all three, but I definitely see Dixie and Cranky happening before K. Rool.
I don't really see how you come to this conclusion if we pretend that Sakurai had no knowledge of Tropical Freeze and it didn't factor into the game's development. Dixie's Brawl data is the one big advantage she has, but aside from that it seems like an even playing field given that all 3 stayed pretty consistent in appearances until Returns.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
It helps Dixie was intended for Brawl at one point and then cut, even if only as a part of Diddy's moveset. Probably a lot of left over assets to turn her into a full-fledged character in SSB4 fairly quickly.
Not really, but whoever that person is (the source), he got 3 out of 6, and 2 of those 3 were characters no-one expected and made no sense (like animal crossing guy, they had a document that said he is not a fighter so they didnt put him in brawl as one), so is not like he said "Fox! Pit! Wolf! Megaman!"
Lord_Byron28
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I made an offhand comment a few weeks back saying I'd hardly be surprised if Rosalina was added to the roster for a few reasons. She is a fan favorite character in a pivotal game in the series just like Sheik. She also is a slightly unexpected wild card. Not too many people were expecting her appearance which offered another vantage point for her as a choice. Sakurai likes to choose a few unexpected characters that bring new ideas. I'd pretty much say her reveal and decision to be included in Smash was akin to that of Sheik in Melee.
I hope I never run into you in real life, because I will most likely have no choice but to shoot your kneecaps
DICKS AHOY
Banned
reading through this thread and reading some of these reactions oh god i'm glad i was too tired and just went back to bed after the reveal
Rosalina was the best-case scenario for a new 5th Mario rep in my opinion, so I'm really glad this happened. Don't remotely think she's an irrelevant or throwaway character either, especially considering she's taking Dr. Mario's spot of all things.
Rosalina was the best-case scenario for a new 5th Mario rep in my opinion, so I'm really glad this happened. Don't remotely think she's an irrelevant or throwaway character either, especially considering she's taking Dr. Mario's spot of all things.
Rosalina has already shown up far more often in the Mario series than Sheik ever did in Zelda, even counting her scrapped TP version. She was only a wildcard in the sense it was too hard to tell if they'd either leave Mario at 4 reps, or choose between her, Bowser Jr., Waluigi or a Mario RPG/paper/M&L rep.
TDLink
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Cranky has always, in general, been promoted by Nintendo as part of the DK franchise moreso than K. Rool. This includes complete absence of K. Rool in DKCR. Cranky is also considered the "original DK", which is something Nintendo loves to promote as a matter of Nostalgia. I'm fairly certain that K. Rool hasn't even been mentioned since 2007. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I also think Tropical Freeze should be taken into consideration. Yes, the "last version" tends to be what Sakurai focuses on for versions of characters and stage selection...but it isn't a rule that is followed 100% of the time. Let's not forget that the game has been used to promote characters from upcoming projects in the past as well. I am fairly confident that Sakurai had been made aware of Cranky Kong's role in DKC:TF many months before the game was even publicly announced.
TheCongressman1
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Does anyone have a large asset of Rosalina to use on my wallpaper?
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
So you're saying Dr. Luigi has a chance?
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I'm saying he's guaranteed.
Why Dr. Mario wasn't an alt for Mario in Brawl is beyond me, especially considering Wario got a classic alt.
Just like in DKCTF, DK gives Cranky a fist bump and then all the opponents turn into bananas.