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Rumor: ATI already won next gen Xbox deal
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TOAO_Cyrus
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Onix said:
And bandwidth. Consoles need a serious bump in IQ next generation. These sub HD resolutions and lack of AA and AF are pathetic. AA and AF are especially important on large TV's because of the low pixel density compared to PC monitors.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Consoles need to make money next generation. Games need to make money next generation. This generation has shown that the userbase that demands high end graphics isn't big enough to cover the investment needed for the higher end graphics that they demand.TOAO_Cyrus said:
bmf said:
I'm not sure I would say that. Resident Evil 5, COD4, DMC4 and Halo 3 are all the highest selling in their respective franchises. I fully expect FFXIII and Splinter Cell to top their previous versions as well. This is all on a much smaller install base compared to last gen. So there are some success stories it just depends on the game.
PSGames said:
And both Halo 3 and COD4 render at sub HD resolutions. implying that HD resolutions arenÂ’t really necessary.
those games sold for their brand recognition and quality, not for their HD-ness.
that said, I donÂ’t think thereÂ’ll be much trouble rendering at 720p (or even 1080p) for pretty much every game next gen.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Never a guarantee. Even with 8~16X power increase some dev will go " Hmmm... why don't we do a ray traced game?!?" or some other such BS and we'll have the B3D pixel counting guy back in action again. :lolLCfiner said:
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
But I love that lighting in the game.TAJ said:
Expecting Xbox3 GPU to be some derivative of R1000 supporting DX12+
Hopefully they increase the internal EDRAM bandwidth from 256 GB/sec to multi TB/sec
Xbox3 is gonna need that, if PS4 has Rambus' next-gen 1 TB/sec main memory.
I expect PS4 to use a 32 SPE CELL plus either a Larrabee2 *or* a DX12 Nvidia GPU.
Hopefully they increase the internal EDRAM bandwidth from 256 GB/sec to multi TB/sec
Xbox3 is gonna need that, if PS4 has Rambus' next-gen 1 TB/sec main memory.
I expect PS4 to use a 32 SPE CELL plus either a Larrabee2 *or* a DX12 Nvidia GPU.
As for resolutions
minimum would be 720p (instead of sub-HD on many games)
most games will be 1080p (hopefully more 60fps!) and we won't have console game resolutions above that, since there's no need, will be no base above 1080p and would be a waste of GPU/memory resources.
Xbox3 needs to be a larger leap in processing power, graphical muscle, memory, bandwidth, etc over X360, than X360 was over Xbox1.
4 years between Xbox1 and X360.
At least 7 years between X360 and Xbox3.
Graphics will be CRAZY-FUCK good. look up AMD Cinema 2.0 demos, a 1+ year old tech-demo using two RV770 (HD 4870 CrossFire or 4870X2). Imagine 3-5 years more advancement in tech (depending on when RV770 was started and when Xbox3 GPU started) with actual games, game-play graphics that look better.
minimum would be 720p (instead of sub-HD on many games)
most games will be 1080p (hopefully more 60fps!) and we won't have console game resolutions above that, since there's no need, will be no base above 1080p and would be a waste of GPU/memory resources.
Xbox3 needs to be a larger leap in processing power, graphical muscle, memory, bandwidth, etc over X360, than X360 was over Xbox1.
4 years between Xbox1 and X360.
At least 7 years between X360 and Xbox3.
Graphics will be CRAZY-FUCK good. look up AMD Cinema 2.0 demos, a 1+ year old tech-demo using two RV770 (HD 4870 CrossFire or 4870X2). Imagine 3-5 years more advancement in tech (depending on when RV770 was started and when Xbox3 GPU started) with actual games, game-play graphics that look better.
Diablohead
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Watch as Call of duty 12 will be sub HD just because they can use the extra power to make a few more effects on the screenonken said:
I think the odds favor Sony going with Larrabee. Kaz Harai seems to have transformed the culture of Sony. They listen seriously to what developers say, and when you have Tim Sweeney talking about how great Larrabee is, that is going to make an impact on the decision makers at Sony HQ.
tinfoilhatman
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\Opus Angelorum said:
I wouldn't call that a mainstream consumer device but to each his own
4 years later and it's in one insanely high end niche TV most of will most likely never actually see in person and will probably never be manufactures in large numbers.
Don't get me wrong cell in more consumer devices would be cool I just don't think it's very practical. Anyone know if Toshiba(or anyone else for that matter) is planning on putting cell in anything of their normal consumer line of TV's?
I still say cell being in the next Xbox is laughable at best, last I heard M$ wanted to simplify things and\or they were going to make their own CPU design.
Onix said:
Kind of agree with this. Assuming they take top end PC parts around now/next year, that'll provide a price-efficient design for a 2012 release, but still provide a huge jump in performance compared to the current platforms.
When you add in the additional effective performance you get from having a closed system, thats a pretty compelling console platform (assuming enough ram - maybe 2GB?)
D4Danger said:
Maybe it's not 15 seconds, but it feels way too long (5-10 seconds?) to just list recently played games. Shouldn't that info be local to the box anyway? Is it actually going out to XBL to get my recently played games?
But other things in the XBL Marketplace feel slow. Pretty sure it's not my fast cable connection since I can stream HD movies from Netflix practically instantly.
procrastinator
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Hylian7 said:
Id say this one is far more believable than the NVIDIA DS rumour. ATI have already worked with Microsoft before and they appear to have an ammicable business relationship. ATI already have hardware that is proven to be fast and supports the DirectX 11 API.
It would make sense for an ATI GPU to be in the next xbox.
shpankey
not an idiot
I admit, it was hyperbole... I kind of expected everyone to get that (I should have said minutes then it would've worked). But the point stands, the loading on little things shouldn't take that long. It doesn't do it on PSN for me and I know my connection is very, very good as I use it for all kinds of things and pay for a premium service over and above what's regularly offered. Navigating the marketplace can be so infuriating. I still don't understand why they don't implement cache. They could cache things on the HDD and when you do something like go back, load it from the cache and make it instant (unless something changed wherein it would reload, kind of like web browsers do).D4Danger said:
This would also really cut down on the amount of network traffic on the system... tons. There's no need to re-download every solitary thing when it's the same as the last time you were there. If a description hasn't changed, don't re-download it. If you are navigating forward and back up a time or two, hit the cache. I was just fucking there two seconds ago.
(none of this is directed at you)
So you expect the next Xbox to come out in 2020?camineet said:Expecting Xbox3 GPU to be some derivative of R1000 supporting DX12+
Hopefully they increase the internal EDRAM bandwidth from 256 GB/sec to multi TB/sec
Xbox3 is gonna need that, if PS4 has Rambus' next-gen 1 TB/sec main memory.
I expect PS4 to use a 32 SPE CELL plus either a Larrabee2 *or* a DX12 Nvidia GPU.
I am sorry, but those specs seems wildly optimistic to me.
Now, I would love for you to be right, but the lesson learned for this round will probably be that initial price point is king. Emphasis will be on graphics that are just good enough but not great to keep cost down.
I think it will be a R800 or R900 derived GPU supporting DX11. Probably a R800.
SimpleDesign
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I seriously doubt Microsoft will launch a new console with a 3 year old GPU design.DennisK4 said:
camineet is on drugs because there's no way the next Xbox or Playstation will have 1 TB/s of main memory bandwidth.
intheinbetween
Member
i think he was joking :lol
camineet said:As for resolutions
minimum would be 720p (instead of sub-HD on many games)
most games will be 1080p (hopefully more 60fps!) and we won't have console game resolutions above that, since there's no need, will be no base above 1080p and would be a waste of GPU/memory resources.
Xbox3 needs to be a larger leap in processing power, graphical muscle, memory, bandwidth, etc over X360, than X360 was over Xbox1.
4 years between Xbox1 and X360.
At least 7 years between X360 and Xbox3.
Graphics will be CRAZY-FUCK good. look up AMD Cinema 2.0 demos, a 1+ year old tech-demo using two RV770 (HD 4870 CrossFire or 4870X2). Imagine 3-5 years more advancement in tech (depending on when RV770 was started and when Xbox3 GPU started) with actual games, game-play graphics that look better.
Yeah graphics will be crazy next-gen. If MS hopes to compete they'll need to have a Blu-Ray drive as well.
camineet said:Expecting Xbox3 GPU to be some derivative of R1000 supporting DX12+
Hopefully they increase the internal EDRAM bandwidth from 256 GB/sec to multi TB/sec
Xbox3 is gonna need that, if PS4 has Rambus' next-gen 1 TB/sec main memory.
I expect PS4 to use a 32 SPE CELL plus either a Larrabee2 *or* a DX12 Nvidia GPU.
Next-gen XDR is looking ridiculous, Sony usually go with Rambus due to the equity stake and agreements in place.
Bitmap Frogs
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PSGames said:
I wish next gen featured the return of cartridges.
TitaniumGroceries
Banned
It was pretty awesome not having loading times.Bitmap Frogs said:
shpankey
not an idiot
Speaking of this, I always thought this would eventually be addressed with disk based content via multiple lasers. Remember the old Kenwood 7 laser CD drives where it could read at 72x? The kenwood 72X drive didn't actually spin the disc at 72x, it spun the disc at 10x, and used 7 lasers to read 7 times as much per revolution. This also had the advantage of not having high spin speeds (quieter). It also would have access to that 72x rate at all times and not just on certain parts of the disk.Bitmap Frogs said:
But it never took off for whatever reason.
Lagspike_exe
Member
shpankey said:
Because it's expensive? Imagine how much would PS3 cost Sony if it had 2 BluRay diodes on launch.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Kobe said:
If this generation has shown me anything, it's don't count on that. Why would MS add that when they'd be perfectly happy selling you a DD version of the game again? Just so I'm not playing favorites, I have no faith in the PS4 having BC.
shpankey
not an idiot
Not necessarily... think about how big USB drives are and how the technology is getting smaller in physical size, bigger in storage capacity, faster in transfer rates & cheaper in cost. It's not out of the realm of possibility in the future, though seemingly very unlikely at this point.DennisK4 said:
As dead as Manny :lol
Although personally, I think we'll eventually get to the point where everything is just downloaded before that happens and both will be on the outs. (maybe lol)
rohlfinator
Member
It'd still be more expensive, and people have been able to put up with the load times on regular CDs/DVDs. It would probably cause support problems, too -- either you'd have 7x as many chances for a DRE, or your disc performance would deteriorate over time.shpankey said:
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Even with the DDs, you need BC friendly hardware for them to do it cheap. Right now, it's a damn nightmare, with hardcore emulation and all that patching going on.RedNumberFive said: