Panajev2001a
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empanada said:
It would be cool, but that would mean like 2-4 days of snow MAX in Torino (Turin, Italy) during all year
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Rumors about the Wii (from 2ch)
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It would be cool, but that would mean like 2-4 days of snow MAX in Torino (Turin, Italy) during all year
.UltraMagnanimous
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Hmm, maybe instead of Kingdom Hearts (Final Fantasy, Disney) they could to a parallel series called Dragon Hearts (Dragon Quest, Mario Universe)! 5m worldwide sales guaranteed!
Chris Remo
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That's really not the case these days. Square Enix has stated outright that they want to see as even a race as possible among the console manufacturers. Also, now that Square and Enix are combined, they have much less reason to focus all their stuff on one platform. They have significantly more development and publishing resources than ever before and it's in their best interest to cover as many bases as possible; if you're able, as a publisher you want to make sure your brand is recognizable and appreciated by the broadest demographic possible. This also helps once people who formerly only owned one console buy additional consoles; you want your brand across all those consoles so existing fans of your brand have something to buy.Yoboman said:
deadhorse32
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farnham : Stop digging ch2 BS kthxbye
Why not? I think Nintendo characters would suit the game better than Square Enix's characters.Yoboman said:
And besides, most of Nintendo characters are recognizable icons around the world. Just like Disney's characters. Put them together and you could have yourself a winning formula I think.
Yoboman
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Disney may see that they're losing their position as the big second wheel in the Kingdom Hearts formula. Who knows, once Nintendo are in, they may start introducing more and more third party characters and Disney may become less relevant.Neomoto said:Why not? I think Nintendo characters would suit the game better than Square Enix's characters.
I don't know how much control they have on the IP though. And I'm not a mind reader either, I'm just curious how they'd react to other third party IPs being thrown in the mix.
ShockingAlberto
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Disney is what drives the sales. Ever been to a toy store - or hell, any department store - in Japan? Kiddy Land in particular has entire sides of the store dedicated just to Disney stuff. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the sales in America were similarly motivated. Square would probably ditch the FF stuff before they ditched Disney.
Mama Smurf
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Don't worry about AC being linked to the forecast channel. Even if it's true, it'd have to be a choice, else people without their Wiis online would be screwed.
ShockingAlberto
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By not selling very well?justchris said:
S-E would be stupid to make a
Disney-Nintendo-Squarenix Kingdom Hearts. All that would do is sell an extra million or two.
Now if they did a Disney-Squarenix and a Nintendo Squarenix, now they have 2 5+million franchises.
Also Kingdom Hearts was Sony's 2nd most successful rpg WW. DQ was third.
Disney-Nintendo-Squarenix Kingdom Hearts. All that would do is sell an extra million or two.
Now if they did a Disney-Squarenix and a Nintendo Squarenix, now they have 2 5+million franchises.
Also Kingdom Hearts was Sony's 2nd most successful rpg WW. DQ was third.
EphemeralDream
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I don't know how much power Nomura has over where the KH series goes (probably not much) but I feel he would definitely lean towards PS3. He likes to push graphics, and the extra space for audio/dialogue (perhaps dual VA) is something he desires. Also even though I can see him making an engine from the ground up for a Wii release (which I would imagine would still be very impressive), I think he'd rather take advantage of experience with the White Engine, AC team.
In terms of demographic and sales potential, KH to Wii does seem to make a lot of sense. Not sure if the "big franchise for each console" theory applies however as in the end, the Wii could get DQX. If it does go to Wii, I don't imagine a big influx of Nintendo would occur however except for that possible "Mushroom Kingdom." The series seemed to be going through some embarrassing teen years with Part II as the FF characters played even less a part, many of the Disney worlds felt like they were there just to extend the game, and then there were the KH worlds which is where most of the story and interesting parts of the game were. Adding Nintendo IPs would stretch the storyline out even more.
In terms of demographic and sales potential, KH to Wii does seem to make a lot of sense. Not sure if the "big franchise for each console" theory applies however as in the end, the Wii could get DQX. If it does go to Wii, I don't imagine a big influx of Nintendo would occur however except for that possible "Mushroom Kingdom." The series seemed to be going through some embarrassing teen years with Part II as the FF characters played even less a part, many of the Disney worlds felt like they were there just to extend the game, and then there were the KH worlds which is where most of the story and interesting parts of the game were. Adding Nintendo IPs would stretch the storyline out even more.
That's true and a nice idea that slipped my mind.justchris said:
...Probably because I don't trust that they're willing or able to pull it off.
I like your thinking, and DQ owns FF anyway.UltraMagnanimous said:Hmm, maybe instead of Kingdom Hearts (Final Fantasy, Disney) they could to a parallel series called Dragon Hearts (Dragon Quest, Mario Universe)! 5m worldwide sales guaranteed!
flipping_heck
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Personally i think the wire is long enough and never really distracted me in play before, but a wireless nunchuk is a good idea still.
MasterMFauli
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Well, there are some crappy mini-games in monkey ball and rayman, where the cable gets totally annoying.
AndoCalrissian
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The only time I have noticed the cord is Wii Sports Boxing, but the boxing is terrible anyway so who cares?
Chris Remo
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I think the Square characters are already the distant second wheel in KH for most people.Yoboman said:
lordfroakie
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Fio Maravilha said:
Graphic Whore?
hydragonwarrior
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I want some next-gen sparks when Sora slashes an evil possessed edgy Magic Toaster.
Unfortunately most of the GB Zelda team at Studio 1 went to Clover and worked on Obombi. Who knows where they are now.cvxfreak said:Capcom-made Zelda FTW?
Fixed.Yoboman said:
The only way I think we'll see KH3 on Wii instead of PS3 is if PDD5 takes over R&D for PDD1 (a la COM+)... though really that may happen, as the original KH team is gonna be busy with their FFXIII spinoff until 2008 or so anyway. Really though, the "franchise focus" argument for platform selection should've died with DQIX DS.... that'll have no bearing on where Kingdom Hearts ends up.
I'm shocked it's not Sword of Symphonia or Sword of Phantasia... you'd think they'd at least want to relate it the games that were, y'know, made for Nintendo platforms. :/Stage On said:
QFT!!!UltraMagnanimous said:Hmm, maybe instead of Kingdom Hearts (Final Fantasy, Disney) they could to a parallel series called Dragon Hearts (Dragon Quest, Mario Universe)! 5m worldwide sales guaranteed!
JoshuaJSlone
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I've said the same thing. However, considering PSP got the followup to the GBA Tales of the World games while DS got Tales of the Tempest, I think all Tales decisions are made randomly.jarrod said:
True... but I wouldn't be surprised to see Narikiri Dungeon 4 on DS sooner or later either. I think by subtitling the PSP game Radiant Mythology, they've left themselves a back door to continue it on DS also, effectively splitting the TOW dungeon crawlers into 2 lines.JoshuaJSlone said:
farnham said:
Yes, and there's a difference between passing on scans or other legitimate information or just passing on every single thing you read on 2ch that seems positive towards Ninty.
farnham said:
As I said, Namco's quite clearly made its decision, and as long as the fanbase is supporting the series on the PSP they're not going to have reason to second guess the decision.
What "disparity of effort"? Both platforms aren't getting much really (ancient ports or outsourced spinoffs)... seeing another spinoff for DS (closer in branding and appearance to the successful GBA games) wouldn't be surprising at all. If you think Tempest is the last Tales that DS will see, then I think you'll be surprised actually...ethelred said:
ethelred said:
This is a rumor thread in the first place.. it says "rumor" there ...
ethelred said:
Dunno.. the titles they released on PSP did not sell that well.. compared to the massive DS sales that is...
the bandai part.. which is managing bandai namco might think differently... Bandai will be backing the DS more since they sold a load of Digimon and Tamagotchi on DS..
i could see DS getting some major tales of games..
jarrod said:
Um... well, you can tell yourself that all you like, I guess, Jarrod, but I think most reasonable observers would quite agree that Namco has put significantly more effort into its PSP projects than DS.
Yes, Jarrod, ports of Tales of Destiny 2 (not ancient), Tales of Phantasia, and Tales of Eternia, and a new release in a long-established sub-series developed by a studio with a long-established association with the series done with what appears to be a considerable degree of care and effort... does demonstrate a disparity of effort when levied against something outsourced to Dimps. Yes, Jarrod, it really, really does.
farnham said:
Namco has consistently put less effort into the DS compared to the PSP (Tales of the Tempest, Xenosaga DS... versus Ace Combat X, Ridge Racers 1/2, Tales of the World, Katamari, etc.). They've chosen their primary platform for portable development. People need to get over that. Yes, the DS is a success. Not every company in the world is going to fully back it or put all of their traditional games on it.
Bandai franchises and Bandai side games will certainly continue. Namco's stuff is being handled differently.
I seriously doubt the DS will be getting "some major Tales of games." And you're kidding yourself if you think the PSP Tales games haven't sold well. They have. They've easily kept pace with the sales the series generated on the GBA, for instance...
I'm just saying both are getting rather low end efforts, obviously more care's going to go into an Alfa System game versus a Dimps game. But spinoffs and old ports really don't amount to much in the end.ethelred said:
I still don't see how Namco's sending clear signals that DS Tales is finished and there's no chance of maybe getting an AS dungeon crawl... maybe there'd be a better case for that had the PSP game had "Narikiri Dungeon" somewhere in the title...
Btw, TOD2 is just as "ancient" as TOE was when it released on PSP.
Not all of Namco... it's worth pointing out that Yoshizawa's teams (ie: the people who make Mr. Driller & Klonoa) have done 5 DS games and no PSP games. Monolith pretty clearly isn't interested in PSP either (though Namco management's not really let them do all the DS projects they'd like to either).ethelred said:
PSP seems to be getting a lot of crossover from traditionally PlayStation franchises, but that's more to do with the ideologies behind the platform imo. DS is still getting some notable Namco content though, usually new concepts tailored around the platform's design (ie: Machigai Museum, Kaitou Rousseau, etc). And really, DS is even getting some "PlayStation games" too when the design makes sense (ie: Point Blank, Mojipittan, etc). It's less about "effort" and more about "branding" in PSP's favor really, few of Namco's DS are really badly made... unfortunately it seems to just be the RPGs really (Tempest & Xenosaga), but it's been speculated those were both late term reworkings of games intended for GBA and/or mobile phones.
Phantasia FVE tanked actually, though it was like the 4th release of Phantasia. It sold around half what the GBA Phantasia did iirc.ethelred said:
Eternia outsold all the GBA Tales games though, and RM's on target to pass ND2-3 by a wide margin. Then again, Tempest didn't sell too badly when compared to the GBA Tales either... it's outsold everything but ND2.
jarrod said:
Right, and I'm saying I don't agree. Radiant Mythology is a pretty strong effort for a portable third party game from someone not Square Enix.
jarrod said:
I wouldn't say most are badly made, but I would say that most have been very low budget (even for portable games), very low in terms of development-resource intensive, low in terms of marketing... I mean, you point out stuff like Mr. Driller and Point Blank and then in the same breath say there's no disparity of effort? Come on...
jarrod said:
You do not recall correctly. Phantasia FVE sold over 100k -- compared to a whopping 150k for the game on the GBA. I'd say the 4th version of the game doing over 2/3rds of the 3rd version's sales is not "tanking" by any stretch.
jarrod said:
Like I said: strong sales, support from the fanbase, reaffirmation (in Namco's eyes) of the right decision being made.
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Do 2ch have threads about rumours from here?
No stronger than Narikiri Dungeon 1-3 though really given the platforms... and even then, why would a strong PSP entry inherently imply there's no potential for a likeminded DS release? Maybe if the PSP game actually continued the branding of the GB efforts, but that's not really the case either...ethelred said:
I'd say budgets are aligned to platform capablity. It's more about Namco being one of the few to push PSP... though even that's arguable these days, with titles like Ace Combat X, Moto GP SP and Ridge Racers 2 getting lukewarm receptions. They essentially hit hit the gold standard in 2004 with RR1 and sort don't feel bothered to push further. :/ethelred said:
And the point in brining up Yoshizawa's teams was just in showing not all of Namco is PSP centered. Their projects may be low budget (though they have been for awhile now anyway, well before DS), but that's still greater than no budget (what they're giving to PSP).
Over 100k? I thought it was 66k 1st week... then dropped off the chart? :/ethelred said:
Again, I don't think the sales are bad per se really, given the context and all... though it's still pretty low for a Tales game.
But Tempest sold comparably well also (even if well below it's production... though that's more Scamco's usual retardedness). Yet we're to conclude no more Tales for DS?ethelred said: