Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I don't see why Russia would blame the Turkish govt for this when it seems like this was someone acting on their in in regards to Syria (maybe not even a Turkish citizen)?
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Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov assassinated in Ankara
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Captin Quacker
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Holy cats
Epsilon-delta
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Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself. I honestly believe Russia can't afford a war but what do I know.
And_Gignac
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Turkey and Russia romance won't be affected because of it. Putin won't give a fuck. The problem will be the scapegoat they will put the blame on.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
- Turkey hates Assad and would want him gone. Erdogan has been quietly supporting ISIS.
- Russia supports Assad. Russia has no love lost for Turkey, being a NATO member and all that.
- Turkey downed a Russian jet a while ago in complicated circumstances. Russia has been in a rather foul mood towards Turkey since then.
- Turkey and Russia have been seemingly mending fences for a few months, although it's difficult to ascertain how sincere have been in their respective approaches.
- Turkey has not been very friendly towards NATO as of late due to Erdogan being a tool and poisoning the well shortly after its own counter-coup.
- As far as we know, this could be the work of:
a) ISIS.
b) Some other rebels (maybe even a common enemy), which would imply a different fallout depending on the group.
c) Some other actor masquerading themselves. Even more uncertainty awaits.
People should probably hold on to their butts and remain as calm as they can until we have more information and Russia and/or Turkey react.
Andrey Karlov, futuristic noise.wave band.
Psychoward
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you'd hope right
Ohh fuck. Like Turkish Gov issued guard, not Russian Embassy?
Whoa, was wondering how this happened.
Mom back in Turkey sent this. He looks dead.
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Bodyguard on the right is apparently the shooter
Goro Majima
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Even if NATO dissolved instead of coming to the aid of Turkey, Russia would go bankrupt trying to hold it if they did invade. It'd be Afghanistan Part 2 for them.
Unless they just practiced indiscriminate genocide anyway but that wouldn't go over well internationally.
Unless they just practiced indiscriminate genocide anyway but that wouldn't go over well internationally.
Will they agree on the scapegoat though? Turkey will want to blame the Kurds. Russia will want to blame Syrian rebels.
But they have reason to destabilize relations between Turkey and Russia.
It is also important although cruel to remark but Archduke Ferdinand was also a lot more important than an ambassador. He was the heir to the throne of one the superpowers back then.
Well, luckily for them the incoming POTUS isn't going to intervene in any way.
Velcro Fly
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Yeah I definitely feel like whatever group they both really hate is going to be blamed and attacked for this.
Mass Effect
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Will you guys stop comparing this to WWI?
they shot an ambassador, not Putin. And unlike 1914, most European countries generally don't want to start a war
funkystudent
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This is extremely not good.
Phantast2k
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Tbh my bet was on the Chechen dissidents paying back for Russia murdering their figureheads in Turkey: Have Russian hitmen been killing with impunity in Turkey? - BBC News. But that's apparently not the case.
Probably not.
Russia, Turkey and Iran will meet to discuss Syria in a week or so. Erdogan will probably use this to steer popular opinion (anger) away from Aleppo.
Probably not.
Russia, Turkey and Iran will meet to discuss Syria in a week or so. Erdogan will probably use this to steer popular opinion (anger) away from Aleppo.
The Lamonster
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Is this a big deal because of the NATO alliance?
What's the "for dummies" version here
What's the "for dummies" version here
For all we know that's some other guard after the gunman was downed
edit: other pics seem to indicate he is the gunman after all
djplaeskool
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It either leads to war
not really
Yikes.
Only if Russia decides to get cute and take military action against Turkey, which is unlikely.
It will probably not be a big deal for international relations unless Russia or Turkey want to make it a big deal. It will be exploited within Turkey and within Russia to come down harder on whichever marginalized group is blamed.
m_shortpants
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Praying people keep their heads level and stay calm...
I'm laying over in Turkey next week for a few days, it will probably be fine but I'm wondering if I should redirect my trip. First world problems but I'm just questioning how wise it is right now as things are volatile.
I'm laying over in Turkey next week for a few days, it will probably be fine but I'm wondering if I should redirect my trip. First world problems but I'm just questioning how wise it is right now as things are volatile.
andythinkpad
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The for dummies version is Middle East will never stop fighting each other.
TheCochese
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Putin likes to swing his dick around at every opportunity though. Who knows what repercussions will unfold.
I think it's more likely it will be an excuse for another Turkish purge, but the mind does wander.
witchedwiz
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Came to post exactly this..
I feel pleased
Bitch Pudding
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Bodyguard on the right is apparently the shooter
I know we haven't a confirmation yet, but is seems like several people are dead, incl. the ambassador.
George Washington
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He's in critical condition.
While I agree that comparisons are being made far too hastily, Ferdinand is not comparable to Putin and I think your second statement would've been more valid like 5-10 years ago.
It's not time to go full doom and gloom, but the skies are darkening.
yeah - I mean if this had happened around the same time it'd be a different conversation, but I'm not toooo worried about relations now.
EnlightenedMint
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Holy shit this could be real bad.
Phobophile
A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
Eastern Orthodox Christmas isn't until January 7. A lot can happen in 3 weeks.
Jawbreaker
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Oh fuck. I hope he's able to pull through. This isn't good at all ...
Maximilian E.
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Fuuu...
"in the year 2016 AD, war was beginning"
"in the year 2016 AD, war was beginning"
m_shortpants
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Did the ambassador make it or was he killed?
ElectricBlanketFire
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The Associated Press ‏@AP 20s20 seconds ago
BREAKING: Private NTV news channel reports Turkish police have fatally shot gunman who attacked Russian ambassador.
BREAKING: Private NTV news channel reports Turkish police have fatally shot gunman who attacked Russian ambassador.
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