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YOU SAID IT'S ALWAYS OFFENSIVE WELL LET ME SHOW YOU THE ONE TIME IT ISN'T
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Russians parade in blackface ahead of Cameroon-Germany match
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YOU SAID IT'S ALWAYS OFFENSIVE WELL LET ME SHOW YOU THE ONE TIME IT ISN'T
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Whatever. I'm pointing out the fact that it depends on the context and that not all "blackface" is racist as you said.
White man dressing up (blackface) like Mike Tyson- that's wrong.
White man dressing (applying black make up) as a fictional black skinned race- nothing wrong with that.
Like dude didn't know what he was doing.
This is also not the first time someone has compared black people to fictional creatures in a blackface thread.
Shit is tired.
What about when little girls are cosplaying as the black princesses from National Geographic?
Yes I know. The post I quoted just struck me wrong.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
I think you mean makeup? I don't consider someone dressed as a dark elf blackface, and wouldn't call it that. Maybe that's the misunderstanding her?
But your example wasn't blackface. Why call it that?
If our athletic prowess can't be explained by twitch muscles, what CAN it be explained by?!
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Depends. Where were they born? 🤔
I was never comparing a real race to a fictional one. Sorry that that's how it was perceived.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
He knows you weren't
What's this thread about? What was I responding to?
You know damn well that's what you were doing.
You're clearly passionate about this, I apologized for the misunderstanding. I'm ready to drop it.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Why you bring it up for? Why are people defending black face? Finding every little loophole they can? Why is it so important?
Gotdatmoney
Member
Ayyyyyy Lmao
Whenever some really racist shit is going on and someone devil advocates it I'm just like 🙄🙄🙄
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Oh, it just seemed confusing. Obviously, that woman playing some dark elf has nothing to do with blackface, at all. She also has nothing to do with his point. If she was rocking some banana earrings..we'd be having a different discussion.
Damn, you obsessed..
Resident_UA
Member
I feel like we need a general thread on racism, but I do understand why I would not be a good person to start it. I feel like there's a lot of miscommunication in this thread and I've been guilty of that too. I think both of the views below are valid.
1. There's not much difference between ignorance/racism. Actions can be either racist or not. There's not much in between.
2. There's a (very slim) line between ignorance and racism. Some people could be ignorant, but not outright racist and would change their actions right away once their stupidity is pointed out.
I think most of miscommunication here happens because if someone believe in 2 people automatically assume that this is just used to excuse racism. And I can see this point of view. But I don't think that's the reason to shut down a conversation. I honestly believe that the reason why racism remains such a huge problem is because people don't acknowledge it. And acknowledging racism is not quite the same than just pointing at acts that are racist without any discussion.
The other thread about Serbian volleyball players is a perfect example of this. It's a racist act, but the question should be why not a single person in that picture (even for a second) realized that what they are doing isn't quite right.
1. There's not much difference between ignorance/racism. Actions can be either racist or not. There's not much in between.
2. There's a (very slim) line between ignorance and racism. Some people could be ignorant, but not outright racist and would change their actions right away once their stupidity is pointed out.
I think most of miscommunication here happens because if someone believe in 2 people automatically assume that this is just used to excuse racism. And I can see this point of view. But I don't think that's the reason to shut down a conversation. I honestly believe that the reason why racism remains such a huge problem is because people don't acknowledge it. And acknowledging racism is not quite the same than just pointing at acts that are racist without any discussion.
The other thread about Serbian volleyball players is a perfect example of this. It's a racist act, but the question should be why not a single person in that picture (even for a second) realized that what they are doing isn't quite right.
Everytime some rolls a dark elf in an MMO, its just a cultural misunderstanding.
I dont know if i agree, there is a clear difference in being ignorant of basic historical and social connotations with black face and wearing actual black face.
There is no innocent message someone conveys when they dress up as a crude interpretation of an entire diverse group of people.
Same goes with other displays of racism.
There is no innocent, alternate message there.
I dont know if i agree, there is a clear difference in being ignorant of basic historical and social connotations with black face and wearing actual black face.
There is no innocent message someone conveys when they dress up as a crude interpretation of an entire diverse group of people.
Same goes with other displays of racism.
There is no innocent, alternate message there.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Are people not discussing? Are there not links educating? Have you yourself not spoken to your experiences in Russia? Have others not chimed in, as non Americans, to how they find blackface? Even some claiming it ain't "all" bad?
That's a big topic that comes up in a lot of current events; I don't think it should be contained. Plus, the first thing that I bet will happen is that it'll turn into a white-black dichotomy where people forget that anyone else exists.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Just trying to make him feel better because it looked like it struck him pretty hard that he was being accused of equating black people to elves, when he was only answering a question about black make up that was worded in a way that allowed for his example.
What was your goal with that picture?
Were all of the pictures I posted unclear?
You should post a picture of Robert Downey Jr from Tropic Thunder next and then the thread will be just like every other blackface thread we've had.
Edit: Never mind.
Frozenprince
Banned
Man it sure is hard to find racist people. Seems like nothing is ever really racist after all. Just people not know better.
Somebody get that Quantum racism post.
Somebody get that Quantum racism post.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
So, in the SAME thread where you will not to jump to conclusions about blackface and bananas, and don't want to assume to know what's in someone's heart or intent, you know EXACTLY what HE knows?
Resident_UA
Member
There were a lot of dismissive comments thrown in my direction and "blackface does not mean exactly the same in every culture" is apparently one of the most offensive things you can say on GAF. There's definitely a conversation that we could have that is simply being dismissed because people are busy searching for offensive images on Google.
Dude it's not even that I particularly disagree with you in a wider context but let's not bring up "ignorance" when these people were literally carrying bananas. What more do they need to do to show you that insulting black people was the intent here ? Monkey chants ?
Gotdatmoney
Member
When it comes to blackface I really do treat it the same as people saying the n-word. Do you do it when there are actual black people around? Do you see it in popular media? No? Question why perhaps. I get some people think the context is different in Europe but whenever I see really stupid insensitive stuff (not just racist) and people say it's not that bad my question is always "okay well would you do and or say that in the presense of a person on that group?"
If any part of you is cautious maybe like, you know there is an issue? It's just weird.
Frozenprince
Banned
At some point a light maybe comes on that some of y'all are caping for people in blackface.
Just step back and think about that for a second.
Just step back and think about that for a second.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
So, in the SAME thread where you will not to jump to conclusions about blackface and bananas, and don't want to assume to know what's in someone's heart or intent, you know EXACTLY what HE knows?
Oh damn. I see what you mean, do you think he's racist?
So, in the SAME thread where you will not to jump to conclusions about blackface and bananas, and don't want to assume to know what's in someone's heart or intent, you know EXACTLY what HE knows?
Knows what I'm thinking but doesn't know not to say nigga...
theignoramus
Member
We dont. The contrarians in here know exactly what theyre doing. They think this shit is a game, pretending like we dont know Russia has a massive fucking neo-Nazi, White supremacy problem that the Russian goverment actively nurtures and cultivates. Like we dont know about African immigrants in Russia getting attacked by mobs of skinheads.
Resident_UA
Member
you keep forgetting that I'm not using that as an excuse for their actions.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Knows what I'm thinking but doesn't know not to say nigga...
You really like to dig into people's past, even when they've learned and bettered themselves, huh?
Messofanego
Banned
I was gonna say, we haven't seen someone drop RDJ in blackface in this thread, so...progress?
Gotdatmoney
Member
I dunno what this back and forth with Ray Wonder is about. Whatever happened in the N word thread is irrelevant here. Can we fucking move on from that?
Resident_UA
Member
And in this specific case I do believe that those "parade goers" would do exactly the same thing if they were surrounded by Mexicans and black people.
Then why do you keep bringing it up in a thread about people wearing blackface and carrying bananas ?
Gotdatmoney
Member
You and I both don't know that sadly.
Resident_UA
Member
Yes, that's definitely true of Russian government. I think that's when ignorance gets dangerous when the government is using it to control the population. That's actually why I think that conversation about what is "more" racist (sombrero vs blackface) and what is the difference between ignorance and racism are worth having. It gets to the truth closer than outright dismissing these people and allowing Russian government to be the only source of information they will ever get.
Question from the outside, if someone wants to portray/cosplay a fictional black character, and uses a black face, it is considered racist?
I always wanted to know how sensitive is doing this in the usa, considering the historical background and context of white people doing black faces, it is clear to me why it is considered a terrible thing to do, but I always wondered if the problem is when you doing with the bad intention of imitating and mocking black people, or just painting your face is already enough
I always wanted to know how sensitive is doing this in the usa, considering the historical background and context of white people doing black faces, it is clear to me why it is considered a terrible thing to do, but I always wondered if the problem is when you doing with the bad intention of imitating and mocking black people, or just painting your face is already enough
Resident_UA
Member
I keep seeing this argument going in circles. I believe that there's a valid discussion that we could have. I really doubt that anyone in this thread actually gives a shit about few idiots in Russia. This is a broader conversation.
metalslimer
Member
I tried...i really tried to read this thread with a neutral tone to what knew was coming but every god damn black face thread leaves me fuming with the ignorant posters caping for racism. See you all in the annual Halloween and zwarte post thread!!!
Messofanego
Banned
So, in the SAME thread where you will not to jump to conclusions about blackface and bananas, and don't want to assume to know what's in someone's heart or intent, you know EXACTLY what HE knows?
Good point!
GhostTrick
Banned
Blackface is blackface. Plain and simple. If you paint your face to look black, fictional character or not.
And I dont think it's a USA thing only at all.
excelsiorlef
Member
Yes, don't do it.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Lemme first dismiss this. Not GAF..life.
Do you have any idea how much I've heard this? How much many posters here have heard this? In my face? Told it means nothing, but treated differently by those who claim it? Best part of growing up surrounded by different cultures? You learn a lot. Customs, recipes, games..the works. You know what sucks about it? Finding out that being black/mulatto means you have "traits" that you can't help.
A discussion of culture can always be had. The dismissal of wrong is the problem. Now, I understand. You grow up a certain way..perhaps don't see the wrong in things..that doesn't make it ok. It doesn't remove hate. It'll never erase the treatment of "the other" in any society..I'm assuming you'd agree here, although I know I shouldn't.
Truth is, the garbage term political correctness is the equivalent of "I'm being told not to do a thing" which boils down to "No" and as I ASSUME some of you are parents, you've experienced a child's reaction to that no word..tantrums. I expect it from infants..not grown men and women.
Racism wasn't born in America, and certainly won't die here. But almost all countries have that one thing in common. If you feeling lies than a human being goes against our beloved tradition? Fuck you, get over it. That's bullshit..from today until our great grandchildren. That's not how the world should work. Again, I'd assume you agree.
The age of technology and we act like Neanderthals..
Is the reason you want to play the character because he/she is black?
I think you have your answer.