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RWBY |OT| Volume 5 starts October 14, 2017

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The buildup issue is itself somewhat iffy. Arkos had buildup from their first meeting that really only came to fruition right before the end. In retrospect, it was pretty obvious from the start, but could have been passed off as friendship if only a few events changes. At best, the true romantic stuff really only appeared in a few episodes.

If they wanted to do bumblebee, I think they would only need to spend a few episodes/scenes on it, because doing such would allow the viewers to re frame all those previous moments as romantic buildup. Not that viewers aren't already doing that.

Also, I have no house in the race here (though, long live Arkos's memory), but man do I love the fandom nicknames for pairings. Arctic ocean, ladybug, Lancaster, bumblebee, white rose, north pole, communism, etc. They are all so catchy.

PYRRHA LIVES DAMMIT

Ain't nobody gonna convince me otherwise.
 

Trickster

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Man why did I not give this show a shot earlier. I knew it was popular, but the visuals always made me dismiss it. Finally tried watching it and it is incredibly entertaining, and I'm only 8 episodes in
 

Trickster

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Everyone loves season 3's last 4 episodes.

I honestly really hate the direction the shows taken. I loved the light hearted nature of the show, and then they just change the tone of the show completely after more than 2 seasons, not a fan at all...

Right now I feel like I would be better off just dropping the show, at least until I read somewhere that cinder and her two fucktard goons get everything they deserve.
 

TrueBlue

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Tbh, I don't think Volume 4 is anywhere near as dark as people feared it might be. It was darker, sure, but I think there was a nice balance between the serious moments and the lighthearted ones.

The show wasn't suddenly a completely different beast, at least not for me.
 

Mailbox

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I honestly really hate the direction the shows taken. I loved the light hearted nature of the show, and then they just change the tone of the show completely after more than 2 seasons, not a fan at all...

Right now I feel like I would be better off just dropping the show, at least until I read somewhere that cinder and her two fucktard goons get everything they deserve.

I feel like you should watch season 4.
You're gonna like seeing Cinder looking frail and pathetic despite having huge power.
 

Trickster

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I feel like you should watch season 4.
You're gonna like seeing Cinder looking frail and pathetic despite having huge power.

Yeah I did actually marathon it yesterday, and that was definitely satisfying. She still deserves far more suffering though

Tbh, I don't think Volume 4 is anywhere near as dark as people feared it might be. It was darker, sure, but I think there was a nice balance between the serious moments and the lighthearted ones.

The show wasn't suddenly a completely different beast, at least not for me.

No offense but that's just not true at all. Season 2 ended with a dog being used as a flamming cannonball and the students kicking grimm ass to rock music. Season 3 ended with Penny getting cut into pieces, Yang losing an arm, Pyrrha getting executed from an arrow fired into her chest pointblank, which fucking disintegrates her.
 

TrueBlue

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Yeah I did actually marathon it yesterday, and that was definitely satisfying. She still deserves far more suffering though



No offense but that's just not true at all. Season 2 ended with a dog being used as a flamming cannonball and the students kicking grimm ass to rock music. Season 3 ended with Penny getting cut into pieces, Yang losing an arm, Pyrrha getting executed from an arrow fired into her chest pointblank, which fucking disintegrates her.

That's why I specified Volume 4.

The end of Volume 3 was the conclusion of what had been simmering for the previous 2.75 Volumes. It was a concentrated burst. Everything went to hell. Things are bleak.

The first episode of Volume 4 then has bickering as to whether or RNJR or JNPR is the better team name. This includes Jaune who has just lost Pyrrha and spends the majority of the Volume trying to heal.

The balance is there. The world is a darker place and the story acknowledges this, but it doesn't abandon levity. It still has goofy and silly moments. That Volume 3's ending was so dark was because it was the culmination of several story beats.

We'll more than likely get another sequence like that again, but Volume 4 convinced me that they won't pull too far in one direction for too long.
 

Trickster

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That's why I specified Volume 4.

The end of Volume 3 was the conclusion of what had been simmering for the previous 2.75 Volumes. It was a concentrated burst. Everything went to hell. Things are bleak.

The first episode of Volume 4 then has bickering as to whether or RNJR or JNPR is the better team name. This includes Jaune who has just lost Pyrrha and spends the majority of the Volume trying to heal.

The balance is there. The world is a darker place and the story acknowledges this, but it doesn't abandon levity. It still has goofy and silly moments. That Volume 3's ending was so dark was because it was the culmination of several story beats.

We'll more than likely get another sequence like that again, but Volume 4 convinced me that they won't pull too far in one direction for too long.

Volume 4 wasn't as dark as volume 3, no. But what happened in season 3 has changed the show into a different beast regardless. I think the humor feels completely out of place now, I couldn't buy into the characters being goofy or joking around after Volume 3. Big fights also felt entirely different, instead of enjoying the great action in "boss" fights, I was just afraid that someone new could die.

I can imagine it might have felt less "raw" if I had to wait however many months were between volume 3 and 4, like most people who watch this show had to wait.

I however watched all of volume 4 less than a day after seeing Penny dismembered and Pyrrha executed. So I was honestly still fucked mentally while watching it... Especially how Pyrrha was killed was just deeply upsetting for me. I legitimately can't remember another death that have upset me to the same extend. The only other thing that have given me the same kind of pit in my stomach was that scene from Berserk.
 

SDBurton

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Watching season 3 ending FUCK THIS SHOW and FUCK CINDER

I am fucking shaking right now

Does this fucking bitch ever lose that fucking smug on her face? SHE FUCKING BETTER

Hahaha I hear you! Glad you continued to Volume 4, we got our justice however slight. lol
 
My friends and I recently watched all four volumes and are eagerly waiting for volume 5. It really is impressive how far this show has come in terms of both visuals and popularity.
 
Tbh, I don't think Volume 4 is anywhere near as dark as people feared it might be. It was darker, sure, but I think there was a nice balance between the serious moments and the lighthearted ones.

The show wasn't suddenly a completely different beast, at least not for me.

I agree, but mainly because I always looked at Volume 4 as a mesh of Volumes 1 & 2, in that this makes up about half of 'season 2' where the other two culminated two thirds of 'season 1'. It's also why I didn't feel too much threat from a character dying, Volume 4 is a continuation of the story from Volume 3, but it serves more as the first beat of the second season/book/film/what have you.

I do think the comedy was awkward, and the feeling of awkwardness was intentional, like the jokes weren't as off-the-wall as earlier in the show's life, and that was because none of the RNJR were ever addressing the elephant in the room of their situation: loved ones died, everything they thought was safe was not, and they are kidding themselves into thinking they are competent enough to take themselves across a continent on a shady lead at best. No one felt comfortable throughout this journey, they only acted like it, at least as far as I saw. We get some nice levity that get's body-slammed by even the first sign of tragedy, it's almost as clear as a light-switch like when Jaune and Ruby small-talk over the map and his hair amidst a sunny country stroll, then boom! black skies over Shion. Phyrra wasn't mentioned by name by anyone from RNJR until episode 10, and even then it was a poignant exchange between two cast members at their wits end. The comedy was off-base because the cast was still off-base, and whilst I can see why others would see it as too dark, I see it as good characterisation by the writing staff.

I think first half of Volume 5 will feel the most RWBY we've had since Volume 2, as both cast, crew and fans will want to see the four main girls reunite, but I do feel like the latter half (assuming they are telling a story over 2 volumes from now on rather than 3) will be more gut wrenching than we've seen.
 
After watching the ending of the third volume, the character I hated more than Cinder was Adam and his abusive ex-boyfriend routine. Cinder was just the usual overpowered evil mastermind.
 
After watching the ending of the third volume, the character I hated more than Cinder was Adam and his abusive ex-boyfriend routine. Cinder was just the usual overpowered evil mastermind.

I still see some love for Adam by fans from time to time - that visual design is strong for a lot of people, and we're naïve if we assume some people don't follow RWBY out of an appreciation of the character design. Beyond that, I don't 'get' it. He is scum. Absolute trash, and it's been made clear on a few occasions that RT want him to be seen as creepy and dislikeable. He kinda crosses the line of villains who you actively love to hate and wish to see more of, over to a villain who you just hate. Beyond Yang and/or Blake having a showdown with him, I am happy not having him take up screen time.
 

Geist-

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I still see some love for Adam by fans from time to time - that visual design is strong for a lot of people, and we're naïve if we assume some people don't follow RWBY out of an appreciation of the character design. Beyond that, I don't 'get' it. He is scum. Absolute trash, and it's been made clear on a few occasions that RT want him to be seen as creepy and dislikeable. He kinda crosses the line of villains who you actively love to hate and wish to see more of, over to a villain who you just hate. Beyond Yang and/or Blake having a showdown with him, I am happy not having him take up screen time.

I feel like that's mostly because we barely know anything about him. Maybe if we had a few background episodes that explained what happened in his past to make him a murderous psychopath with a Blake obsession, he'd come off as a better villain, but right now he's almost purely defined by being creepy and violent, a combination that just makes him uncomfortable to watch.
 
I think most of Adams fan base came from before we really knew his character.

At the start he seemed more like the "edgy bad boy with a chance for redemption."

When his true colors came out his popularity sank like a rock. At least in the circles I followed.

Roman does remain the best villain though. Props to the voice actor too would have had no idea he also did Locus in Red vs Blue.
 

TrueBlue

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I feel Emerald might be the one to jump ship. She didn't seem all that enthused by the destruction in Volume 3 IIRC, and she doesn't seem at all comfortable with Salem and her cronies.
 
I feel Emerald might be the one to jump ship. She didn't seem all that enthused by the destruction in Volume 3 IIRC, and she doesn't seem at all comfortable with Salem and her cronies.

I wonder will Ruby forgive her for having a major role regarding Penny's death?
 
I've felt Emerald was designed specifically to be the turncoat of the villains; as has been said plenty of times she's clearly the most reflective, if not remorseful, about the situation post the PvP episode. Her being the one who would most socialise with the girls too fits this, despite her being a liar (and I do believe their optimism irritated her), she's remorseful about the topic of Ruby at the start of Volume 4. Not to mention of the cast, she is the most complimentary of team RWBY's colour scheme character design. This is pure speculation but she seems like a design that could've gone into the actual team back when Monty penned this.

Of the villains, Roman and Neo hold the most presence in each scene they're in. Funny too since Roman's VA is the main reason for his popularity, whereas Neo's holds the same level of anamosity but support from fans despite only having visual presence. Aside from them, I am really looking forwards to Watts. I think he can easily be as smarmy and funny as Roman, and from what little I've seen, you can tell Chris Sabat is liking the idea of this role, a polar opposite to, say, Vegeta.
 
Finished Volume 4 after forgetting it had come out lmao.

I liked the Nora and Ren stuff, it was nice. I feel weird that Weiss' butler having his weird eye/voice changing thing never got explained though. Qrows semblance is cool as fuck, if not depressing.

My absolute favourite part of the entire volume was Blake's face after "She's definitely above average!". Fucking slayed me.

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I also really enjoyed that Yang did the rational thing and used the arm. I was scared the volume would end with her still being unconfident and chilling in bed.

Most of all in this volume, I feel that the choice to cut back on elaborate fighting in favour of character and plot development is something that is appreciated, but should have happened in volume 2.

I might have missed it, but was Neo absent from every episode in volume 4? I found it odd.

I think most of Adams fan base came from before we really knew his character.

The second he uttered "My love" I wanted him to get decapitated. Literally trash.

Also Scorpion bro saying bitch felt so out of place. If I'm honest, I think the show would have suited having swearing from day one if used appropriately.
 
Finished Volume 4 after forgetting it had come out lmao.

I liked the Nora and Ren stuff, it was nice. I feel weird that Weiss' butler having his weird eye/voice changing thing never got explained though. Qrows semblance is cool as fuck, if not depressing.

My absolute favourite part of the entire volume was Blake's face after "She's definitely above average!". Fucking slayed me.

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I also really enjoyed that Yang did the rational thing and used the arm. I was scared the volume would end with her still being unconfident and chilling in bed.

Most of all in this volume, I feel that the choice to cut back on elaborate fighting in favour of character and plot development is something that is appreciated, but should have happened in volume 2.

I might have missed it, but was Neo absent from every episode in volume 4? I found it odd.

A close favourite moment of the whole show, never mind just Volume 4 is Kali being caught eavesdropping on Blake and Sun having a heart to heart.

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As for Klein - whose surname is Seiben but I don't think they actually say it in Vol 4 - translates from German (Weiss's and the Schnee's mythological area of origin) to mean 'Little Seven'. Weiss being 'Snow White' makes Klein her seven dwarves, that's why his irises change alongside his personality. It was a neat idea, and I like the guy, but it has been lost on too many people to say it was a good idea for a character design. Regardless, that's what that stuff was alluding to.

As for Neo, no she didn't appear in this at all. It's rumoured, and I stressed rumoured since any and all confirmation RT staff ever give out in panels is nothing short of fan teasing to be taken seriously, that she'll reappear in volume 5. Given how they went on in the WoR video on Mistral there is a more complex black market web than in Vale, so a likely place she'd run to after Vale is attacked. White Fang and Cinder seem unconcerned in keeping up appearances there, so likely there aren't any decent jobs for career criminals like Neo.

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As an aside on Neo, don't forget Torchwick and her were never ever meant to be of any significance. The Vol 1 DVD commentary, plus a bunch of other sources point out Haddock's charisma right from the first epsiode cemented him into the plot of Volumes 1, 2, & 3. Originally, the heist at the store, the battle at the shipyard, the White Fang rally etc were going to be given to different characters as a way of giving the show a wider variety of easily disposable villains. However, Torchwick already ticked a lot of boxes given how easy it would be to write him into being an opportunist who stuck around with the real villains.

By proxy, I believe it is the Volume 2 DVD commentaries (both 1 and 2 have Monty on them if you want to find somewhere to listen) wherein weeks before Neo's first appearance, she was actually designed on an inspiration Monty(?) got from a fan at a convention. The fan was a girl who cosplayed a gender-swap Roman Torchwick and the concept blew his mind. I'm taking it they had wanted to give a bit more variety to the White Fang grunts and thus one (presumably the butch guy who fights Weiss on the train) will have been Torchwick's lackey, but once he thought up a female counterpart, that was it.

She's fantastic, don't get me wrong, and I think RT are idiots if they don't actually put her in the show again given how ambiguous her fate in Vol 3 was, but she's by no means meant to be a central figure in the show, outside of being a fan favourite.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
So I binged this whole show over the last week. Good stuff.

So I don't know how much speculation you guys do about this stuff in here, but I was thinking about Penny.

What do you guys think about the idea that she was basically created by Atlas in order to inherit the powers of a Maiden? Her purpose was to "save the world", apparently Ironwood told her the world wasn't really at peace, and Atlas had been doing research on aura with the intention of moving the fall maiden's powers by moving her aura.

I mean, Ironwood seems to be all about control, so with it being so hard to control where the maiden powers go when they die... why not have a synthetic being with a potentially limitless lifespan hold onto the powers?

You guys see what I'm saying?
 
You guys see what I'm saying?

That's a super interesting idea. I rather like it.

Speaking of Penny, has it been confirmed that she's dead? I kind of expect to see her show up again soon like "Yeah a backup of my brain gets uploaded when I get punked. It's all G.

Regardless, that's what that stuff was alluding to.

As for Neo, *Explanation*

Oh awesome, thanks for the info! I'm not really one to go info diving into interviews and stuff so it's appreciated. I know Neo isn't really that important but they'll have to address her eventually. A character who has fun dispatching Yang and Ruby can't just disappear.
 
I think Penny's dead. Remember that she said 'she is the first synthetic person capable of generating an aura', aura being the manifestation of the soul means that even if her conscience was in some way recoverable from that wreckage (we never saw anyone actually get her remains, and Remnant doesn't have nearly as reliable a form of wireless communication across continents for her conscience to be fully uploaded at Atlas before Kevin the Dragon blew up Vale's CCT), you have to ask, would it be her anymore? I actually think, given how Ironwood said they've been looking into the transference of aura in living creatures, that Penny was once an actual girl who was turned into 'Penny' by her father - maybe she was ill or fatally wounded in the past, or if a series of moral decisions lead her and him to the point where one or both agree to turn her into something not 'human'. We'll likely meet her father in the upcoming volumes, and honestly I'd commend RT for establishing a fairy tale of Gepettho without his Pinocchio - a father who clearly raised a loving girl (potentially losing 'her' twice if my above theory proves true) would be a great grounded force for, say Ruby or Jaune as the clearly continue to globe trot (no way they'll stay in Mistral for the rest of the series).

As for Penny being a potential candidate for a maiden, I think not, she seems more like Ironwood's prototype for transferring powers to the maidens long term. The way he dismisses her as 'the girl' when he and Ozpin talk during the fall of Beacon: He says "Ozpin! The Girl! I can explain-" He's trying to save face over secretly building a synthetic person, Ozpin, not to be fooled by Cinder, cuts Ironwood off, doesn't care about that detail right now, and goes about ordering him to use his army. No word of contemplation that potentially two maidens or candidates (Amber and, here, Penny) have fallen. If Penny were what was proposed by Htown, I'd have imagined Ironwood, if not Ozpin, would've vocalised more despair over another plan ruined by their enemy.
 
Hazel could be an interesting character; we know he has a history with Ozpin and I could see him easily get tired of dealing with Adam. He is possibly the noble warrior archetype among Salem's minions.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Great short. I'm also really glad that we're past the days of sliding on ice running as well as whatever Cinder was doing on the rooftops in Volume 2...
On the other hand...they still can't get the action storyboarding right so there are weird pauses and glacially timed cuts on the chase scene.
 

SDBurton

World's #1 Cosmonaut Enthusiast
Just saw the short, that was pretty good. I can't wait for volume 5, I need my
Bumbleby
reunion.

Found this on Tumblr LOL:

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I wonder who is the Spring Maiden?

Until he opened his mouth, I was convinced it was Oscar, he had the land tending motif down, I assumed it was a girl in drag to hide herself from attack - what better way to hide your identity as a maiden than to assume the appearance of a boy. As to who it'll be, anyone's guess, all I know is I want to see more new faces throughout Vol 5.

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Just saw the short, that was pretty good. I can't wait for volume 5, I need my
Bumbleby
reunion.

Found this on Tumblr LOL:

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Fucking lol. Only thing that's make that better is if Yang had her shades on.
 
Until he opened his mouth, I was convinced it was Oscar, he had the land tending motif down, I assumed it was a girl in drag to hide herself from attack - what better way to hide your identity as a maiden than to assume the appearance of a boy. As to who it'll be, anyone's guess, all I know is I want to see more new faces throughout Vol 5.

Ozma = Oscar Yeah, that would've been a clever reveal.
 
Just saw the short, that was pretty good. I can't wait for volume 5, I need my
Bumbleby
reunion.

Found this on Tumblr LOL:

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You know at this point I'm so tired of this ship war that I hope they just throw a curve ball and have her hook up with Weiss or something.
 
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