I sometimes hook my pc to a my tv and play some games on it that way. I really can't notice the difference when I am sitting 5-7 feet away from both restitution. Comparing images on the monitor will give different results but it's not really a what you see - what you get comparison
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Ryse Confirmed 900p, was always 900p...
- Thread starter Miles Quaritch
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Noticing != actual pain based solely on the resolution of an image.
I think I could sell you some Monster HDMI cables with a demonstration and some suggestive phrasing.
That is going too far dude.
NoMoreTrolls
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Sure, my getting headaches because of aliasing due to reduced IQ means that I'm a gullible sap who doesn't understand how input cables work. Fuck off with that nonsense. Bring me some constructive talking points or don't reply.
bigboss370
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Yes.
Not to me. It looks half a gen ahead of everything else, not just Ryse or x1 games.
nothing has come close to that original reveal:
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I'm not saying Ryse looks bad though. It looks good, it's always looked good (except for MP), but KZ looks better.
that's getting a bit OT though. I will say though going from 1080p to 900p I don't think is a big deal, but I am curious to see if anything else has changed like lighting, shadowing, etc. For example this info is not bad in itself, but combined with the drop from 150k polys to 85k polys could mean the overall look of the game is different/downgraded.
Maybe you're just the most sensitive person to resolution, and resolution alone out of all things that make up a moving image, ever.
Also possible -- there are other elements at play.
Dictator93
Member
Yes.
Not to me. It looks half a gen ahead of everything else, not just Ryse or x1 games.
nothing has come close to that original reveal:
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I'm not saying Ryse looks bad though. It looks good, it's always looked good (except for MP), but KZ looks better.
that's getting a bit OT though. I will say though going from 1080p to 900p I don't think is a big deal, but I am curious to see if anything else has changed like lighting, shadowing, etc. For example this info is not bad in itself, but combined with the drop from 150k polys to 85k polys could mean the overall look of the game is different/downgraded.
Both games use relatively similar rendering techniques and actually spar punches in certain ways (killzone does not have as accurate post processing, ryze does not have the same compute particles and resolution).
Saying it looks half a gen better is pure hyperbole. Half a gen better is more reserved for PC titles than PS4 xbox1 titles (just in terms of magnitude).
Because I was asked that specific question?
If you look back at what I posted here, you'd see that I said it doesn't matter since you can only play Ryse in 900p.
CassidyIzABeast
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"Half a generation better" is one of better phrases to come out of the console war.
NoMoreTrolls
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And you're back with another asinine post! Great job, you really know how to back up your position. I'd love to have an intelligent conversation with you, but you're going to have to do better than this.
Resolution matters, man. Different people have different sensitivities to it. Bully for you if it makes no difference for you. It just so happens to be obvious to me. Cool?
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
That's a good point. My projector does 24 fps for movie playback but I wouldn't want games at that rate.
childplease
Banned
This is gonna be a bad gen.
Child please, only for Microsoft.
What?
bigboss370
Member
like i said, its not hyperbole to me. we've gone through the same cases this gen where many sony 1st party games have looked half a gen ahead of anything else. some scenes in beyond two souls just boggle the mind. I haven't seen anything on pc that comes close to that kz scene either.
metareferential
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velociraptor
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Whatever you say champ.
The 900p one is a bit blurier but it's really insignificant.
It exists and it's not next gen. But ok
CadetMahoney
Member
Their marketshare will dwindle from day 1 as ppl buy the superior cheaper console. Plus no one wants to spend the same $60 for a game and get inferior performance. I know I don't, which is why I mostly played my 360 over my PS3.
Wishmaster92
Member
Yes.
Not to me. It looks half a gen ahead of everything else, not just Ryse or x1 games.
nothing has come close to that original reveal:
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I'm not saying Ryse looks bad though. It looks good, it's always looked good (except for MP), but KZ looks better.
that's getting a bit OT though. I will say though going from 1080p to 900p I don't think is a big deal, but I am curious to see if anything else has changed like lighting, shadowing, etc. For example this info is not bad in itself, but combined with the drop from 150k polys to 85k polys could mean the overall look of the game is different/downgraded.
Both games have their own merits as a previous poster pointed out. Each do some things better than the other.
About the polycount downgrade, this is what Cevat said
childplease
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We'll I didn't mean sales wise I ment how ugly the games will look on both consoles.
Like 2010 pc games.
No doubt it looks amazing.
But everything Cevat says at this point is completely untrustworthy after the shit he tried to pull with Full HD IMO. I see no reason to believe him a day after being lied to.
I dont think the majority of people out there, ever cared about this.
Child please!
And a Child please to you too!
Both consoles will be good enough.
Why would you build a demo station around a cabinet? It's a waste of space, expensive and time-consuming to transport, and provides absolutely no benef... oh god, wait.
Every journalist on the floor played the game at 900p at E3 on screens that close and nobody noticed. I doubt people will notice when they play it on their TVs at home.
Syphon Filter
Member
1600 is ok, 1200 is what last gen usually used. Still not that good for so called next gen systems.
bigboss370
Member
Both games have their own merits as a previous poster pointed out. Each do some things better than the other.
About the polycount downgrade, this is what Cevat said
Like I said, I never thought Ryse looked bad. It looks pretty good. I've seen all the gifs and videos, I'm not trying to take away anything from Ryse. I'm just saying what' I've seen of KZ is significantly more impressive overall.
Well I mean technically full HD would be 4k right, 1080p is like poorHD, so he was lying big time right?!?!
Yes.
Not to me. It looks half a gen ahead of everything else, not just Ryse or x1 games.
nothing has come close to that original reveal:
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I'm not saying Ryse looks bad though. It looks good, it's always looked good (except for MP), but KZ looks better.
that's getting a bit OT though. I will say though going from 1080p to 900p I don't think is a big deal, but I am curious to see if anything else has changed like lighting, shadowing, etc. For example this info is not bad in itself, but combined with the drop from 150k polys to 85k polys could mean the overall look of the game is different/downgraded.
Well to be fair, that's a realtime cut scene, there's no AI going on....the live action footage they showed at E3 didn't look that awesome.
Dictator93
Member
There are antialiasing methods which super sample images from upscales. Like QAA.
LukasTaves
Member
Wut?
You must have missed any footage that shows smoke from the catapults shots. That's fully simulated and looks insane. Other than Deep Down's february reveal i don't think none of the next gen games didn't even tried fluid simulation yet XD
bigboss370
Member
I didn't see a single drop in quality when he seamlessly got off the ship into gameplay. Not to mention the entire follow-up in that Feb reveal, including the gameplay section of him hanging off a ship as it flies through the air and between buildings.
Also, the developers have shown the same scene at other events, even looking around more in that first area to show its all real.
Because You are looking strictly at art style, which is fine, but dont use that in tech discussion, because it does not have any merit.
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And whats wrong with quote again? Study some supersampling techniques they were using for Crysis 2 or check how they apply supersampling for vegetation in Crysis 3, or how they are using reprojection in many techniques [Capcom in Panta Rhei engine too], or about AAA tech from 4A Studio, or how SMAA is using temporal supersampling.
Dictator93
Member
That catapult shot is not a fluid simulation. I can 100% confirm it. If you slow it down... you can see the frames of the animation from the sprites playing.
IT IS an exported animation of a fluid simulation which is rendered with animated sprites.
Unreal 4's infiltrator demo did the same thing with the volumetric explosion at the end. Not a real fluid simulation, but a card board cut out of one arranged in 3d space.
It still looks great though.
Deep down is doing something much more complex.
bigboss370
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Night Angel
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Nottodisushittuagain.jpg
This is a RYSE thread, dammit. Talk about Ryse. For example: the character models look great even with the poly reduction. I can't tell the difference. Conversely, I am concerned that the non native res that the game will run in will negatively impact my experience.
Yeah, simulation is not real-time, so animation is canned, but wind physics are still applied.
Btw amount of particles in this gif is stunning. And yeah if anyone is wondering, those particles in background are real-time, its not one animated sprite.
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/272/b/e/ryse_fireball_by_raziel1992-d6oik3o.gif
I hope that in Post-Launch tech presentation they will talk about this particles, because i'm very interested how they solved this.
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Calling a game half-generation superior is not talking about tech? I'm confused now.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I'm not a tech guy but from reading and participating in a lot of gaf lately I've learned a few things. Now is it safe to say that these three ps4 games are true next gen games. Meaning they have tech that could not be possible in previous generations?
Deep Down
Resogun
KZ:SF
Edit: how does Ryse compare tech wise? What would cause crytek to go with 900p
Deep Down
Resogun
KZ:SF
Edit: how does Ryse compare tech wise? What would cause crytek to go with 900p
Are you serious? He's trying to sell 900p as a intentional decision which it is certainly not. All those blur aliasing techniques are certainly legit, but they are a fucking compromise and certainly far from being ideal.
Dictator93
Member
They are all extensively using compute shaders. SO... yes.
He just gave some additional details about upscaling, nothing more.
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KZ:SF is not using compute shaders to any essential degree. And You could use compute shaders tech on older consoles, just not through GPU.
But yeah old console do not have power for games like Drive Club, KZ:SF, Ryse, Forza, KI or Deep Down, not without compromising fidelity substantially.
theviolenthero
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Compute shaders for what in KZ? Particle system? Didn't they say that the particles system is made by the CPU in the post-mortem? I don't know if i remember correctly.