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Sanders defends Killer Mike, Attacks Bill Clinton & Doesn't Want To Be Lectured On CR

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NYCmetsfan

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So sanders has a new interview and it has some interesting quotes


ABOARD AIR BERNIE — Sen. Bernie Sanders is standing up for Killer Mike after the Atlanta-based rapper stood onstage at a Sanders rally and quoted a feminist activist as saying "a uterus doesn't qualify you to be president of the United States."

And he was even more direct when asked about Bill Clinton's remarks on the campaign trail that seemed to compare fervor for Sanders on the left with the populist anger that created the tea party on the right.

Aboard his campaign plane Thursday, Sanders told reporters that Killer Mike was quoting someone else — but that he agreed with the basic premise.

"What Mike said essentially is that ... people should not be voting for candidates based on their gender, but based on what they believe. I think that makes sense," said Sanders, who has mounted an unexpectedly strong challenge against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"I don't go around, no one has ever heard me say, 'Hey guys, let's stand together, vote for a man.' I would never do that, never have."

Killer Mike was one of several introductory speakers at a rally at historically black Morehouse College in Atlanta when he made the comments.

"I think the media is blowing this thing up," Sanders told reporters on his plane Thursday, dismissing questions about the comments as a "gotcha media game."

Sanders' remarks came during a nearly 20-minute session with reporters aboard his campaign plane, a full-sized chartered Boeing 737, en route to Nevada, where Democratic caucuses will be held Saturday.

The state will be his first test with the minority voters, both African-American and Latino, that are critical to selecting nominees in the Democratic primary. And it comes as Clinton's campaign is ratcheting up attacks on Sanders to halt the momentum he earned with a 22-point victory in New Hampshire and a razor-thin loss in Iowa.


Sanders was cautiously optimistic about his chances in Nevada, where polling is notoriously unreliable and the results are often unpredictable.

"I don't know if we're going to win or not. It's very close," Sanders said. "We are working very hard to get a large voter turnout. If we get a large voter turnout I believe we will win."
On Thursday, Sanders defended his record of fighting on behalf of African Americans.

"I don't want to be lectured on my support for civil rights," Sanders said as his plane flew from a Washington meeting with civil rights leaders to Las Vegas. "I was a young man, I was there, and I have been there for my entire life."
He said Clinton campaign criticism of his record on the subject was "a reflection of a campaign in disarray, a campaign that believed they were entitled to have the nomination and suddenly they're finding, with people being actually involved and not just the establishment, they're in trouble."

Sanders in turn criticized Hillary Clinton for supporting the welfare reform bill that her husband, Bill Clinton, signed when he was president in the 1990s.

"The welfare rights bill, I think many of the leading civil rights advocates in this country will tell you, was extraordinarily detrimental to the African-American community," Sanders said. "I spoke out against it. I voted against it. Secretary Clinton supported it."

As for the former president, he said: "Bill Clinton was the president who led the effort to deregulate Wall Street, was the president who fought for the disastrous NAFTA trade agreement and was the president who pushed this so-called welfare reform, which was absolutely disastrous for low-income people in general and the African-American community in particular."

Sanders' analysis: "I think what the establishment is getting nervous about is that the American people are starting to stand up and say enough is enough."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...rapper-killer-mike-slams-bill-clinton-n521166
 

Frozenprince

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Clinton has deserved more criticism than he's gotten for a while now.

Still think Bernie and his supporters are missing the forest through the trees as far as the BLM movement and his civil rights stances.
 

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"I've been there my entire life", Sanders says about civil rights as he touts his non-existent accomplishments on civil rights matters throughout his 30 year career as a politician.
 

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It's not that I don't disagree with Sanders, but maybe this is the beginning of a lot of people learning why Clinton seems so measured and insincere when she talks. When you're in this position, people will take anything you've said and interpret it in the least charitable way possible. It's a defense mechanism.
 

Dennis

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Sanders' analysis: "I think what the establishment is getting nervous about is that the American people are starting to stand up and say enough is enough."

Yup.

And it is the same with the rise of Trump.

People are just sick of the establishment and their inability to solve problems while they ramble on about "Change".
 

Raxus

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Clinton has deserved more criticism than he's gotten for a while now.

Still think Bernie and his supporters are missing the forest through the trees as far as the BLM movement and his civil rights stances.

Yes and yes.

I think Bernie and Berniebros need to take a more aggressive stance to court minorities aside from 'but Clinton' and he went on a Civil Rights March.
 

Guess Who

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I wish there were a presidential candidate I could support without a hundred asterisks. A couple of asterisks I understand, sure, I'd never see eye-to-eye with someone on literally everything. But I can't even feel slightly positive about voting for anyone involved right now.
 

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Clinton has deserved more criticism than he's gotten for a while now.

Still think Bernie and his supporters are missing the forest through the trees as far as the BLM movement and his civil rights stances.

I find it interesting how sanders lacks support in the +45 department. You know the people who were actually voters in the 90s.

Half the people I hear railing about the 90s are kids in their 20s who were 5.

There are a lot of things we can point to causing issues or things the clinton did wrong but this complete divorce effort to completely define the 90s from the 2010s is intersting
 

DragonSworne

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Clinton was very fortune that he was president during the dot com era.

Guy would have been less than mediocre otherwise.
 

Slayven

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Nah too the bushes with Mike

 

NYCmetsfan

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Also did people miss this

"What Mike said essentially is that ... people should not be voting for candidates based on their gender, but based on what they believe. I think that makes sense," said Sanders, who has mounted an unexpectedly strong challenge against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"I don't go around, no one has ever heard me say, 'Hey guys, let's stand together, vote for a man.' I would never do that, never have."

#allsexesmatter
 

Theodran

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Mike nooooooo.

http://pitchfork.com/news/63603-kil...-a-uterus-doesnt-qualify-you-to-be-president/

The important part:

Killer Mike has been campaigning for Bernie Sanders. During his speech at a rally in Atlanta, he drew criticism for one quote in particular. After referencing recent arguments that women should vote for Hillary Clinton because of her gender, he quoted teacher and activist Jane Elliott. "Jane said, 'Michael, a uterus doesn't qualify you to be president of the United States. You have to have policy that's reflective of social justice.'"

Obviously, media tries to spin this in the worst way possible.
 

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I don't particularly think it's a good look for a straight, white, cis- man to say that it's wrong for a voter from any marginalised group to make identity-related considerations part of their decision process, even if it has never mattered to him personally.
 
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I've been supporting Sanders because his politics are closer to mine (although he's still far to my right), but this is a bad look for him.

It's not going to change my vote, but he really needs to think these things through more carefully and take a more measured approach. And yikes at that Killer Mike retweet.
 

Foffy

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I don't particularly think it's a good look for a straight, white, cis- man to say that it's wrong for a voter from any marginalised group to make identity-related considerations part of their decision process, even if it has never mattered to him personally.

I think it is more of a "care for the points, not the person."

For much of social thought, the person matters more than the points. Look at the Republican party to see this. You can't even get all of the candidates to talk together to come up with one unified plan of any substance. Conversely, you can see how people call Hillary a shill and a flip flopper, because her image as a person, however true or untrue, supersedes all points she ever makes.

I may be too Zen to really 'get' why person>points, because points can transcend people and groups if they're accountable. But I suppose I empathize with those think people can bring about points that work for them, because again, we can look at Republicans for the Law of Attraction regarding anti-reason.
 

Foggy

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Quoted someone endorsing "policy reflective of social justice" and retweeted article mentioning "sjw freakout". Surely a villainous man who endorses social justice.
 
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The quote is Jane Elliot's. The "Cue SJW freakout" is National Review's. The tweet is intentionally poorly written.

Everything else is up to you.
 

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What's wrong with the retweet

The situation is overblown and anyone for women's rights who was upset over his comment likely didn't actually hear the quote in context and are cheapening their message
 

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It's okay to defame Bernie supporters by using "Bernie-bro's" and still claim moral high-ground against the usage of SJW on here apparently (another term i'm against).
 

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It's really stupid to suggest that someone can't utilize their minority status as a selling point, considering that the minority status fucks them over in nearly every other facet of society. It's not like anyone's suggesting that her being female is the one and only, end all be all selling point of her candidacy.
 
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