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Scorcese says Marvel films are essentially 'theme parks', 'not cinema'

oagboghi2

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Also, I didnt say that each individual MCU film was taking risks, I said they are made by passionate people. But if you do want to talk about risks, the entire concept of the interconnected MCU was/is a massive risk. Spider-Man 1 and 2 and dark Knight didnt take any risks at all either to be honest, they are just very well made films.

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You also ignored my question.
Winter Soldier, Ant-Man and Black Panther all feel the exact same? In their visual look and story telling?
Yes

These movies are not as great as you think they are. Black panther and Ant man are not amazing films. They don’t do anything particularly interesting.

But they have super heroes, and explosions and snappy dialogue so I guess thy are considered masterpieces now 🙄
 

brap

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C'mon brap, you seem to love 80s style cheese action, they are full of corny one liners. Tis no different.

Digital and analogue can both look great. And they can both be digitally edited to the beyond.
Yeah, it is. It's like the difference between real 80s movies and Stranger Things or AHS 1984.

I'll admit though digital looks way better now than in the late 2000s. Everything was fucking brown or teal. There's even a JCVD movie that has a goddamn sepia filter on for the entire movie. Something like Triple 9 from a few years back looks like it was shot on film though it wasn't. Some of these movies really do look like somebody shot them on an iphone though.
 
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sol_bad

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Yes

These movies are not as great as you think they are. Black panther and Ant man are not amazing films. They don’t do anything particularly interesting.

But they have super heroes, and explosions and snappy dialogue so I guess thy are considered masterpieces now 🙄
If you thing that Ant-Man and Black Panther look the same, I don't know what to say. The colour hues are totally different for a start.
 

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If you thing that Ant-Man and Black Panther look the same, I don't know what to say. The colour hues are totally different for a start.
The color hues? Really?

Right, let’s ignore the pacing, the structure, the dialogue, the brain dead plot in each...
 

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No way Black Panther feels the same as Antman, it is way worse in pacing and cinematography. Antman could have even been great movie if directed by Edgar Wright, it was perfect for him :(
 
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He is 100% correct. You don't have to be an fancy pantsy cinematwat either.

Mainstream blockbusters have always been one of my favourite genres. From jaws, to t2, to gladiator, to lord of the rings, to batman dark knight.

But these movies are so devoid of story, characters, originality. Liken them to a theme ride is pretty spot on. You are basically bouncing between explosions. Its like those themepark rides they had in the 90s where you watched a large movie screen with short cgi film with movable/shaking chairs. Only 3 hours long and no moving chair.

Frankly It becomes boring. I watch guardians of the galaxy in theatres and i fell asleep. Its like watching one long video game cutscene.

Its not a popcorn flick. Its boring.
 
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They're annoying quippy garbage where a bunch of adults pretend to fight each other in front of a greenscreen.
so you're saying... a movie is terrible because it's fake? you do know those oscar winning movies have adults pretending to gunfight eachother with blanks on a prop set right?

calling marvel films a "theme park" is an insult to the geniuses who created the characters and story. not many people can come up with the idea of "spider man". it takes a lot of imagination and thought to create the world marvel has created.
 

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You like mainstream blockbusters... But yet you don’t like the MCU movies. The fuck are you smoking? Can I have some?
What the fuck are you and sol_bad sol_bad smoking? Butthurt incense?

so you're saying... a movie is terrible because it's fake? you do know those oscar winning movies have adults pretending to gunfight eachother with blanks on a prop set right?
Dude, marvel movies look like a video game. Shitty CGI everywhere. I don't know how anybody can take it seriously. It looks so fucking fake and stupid.

calling marvel films a "theme park" is an insult to the geniuses who created the characters and story. not many people can come up with the idea of "spider man". it takes a lot of imagination and thought to create the world marvel has created.
>dude gets bit by a spider
>gets spider powers
Yeah, wow mhm who could've thought of that?
 

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What the fuck are you and sol_bad sol_bad smoking? Butthurt incense?
I’m not some super MCU fan, so... I’m just saying I enjoy some MCU movies from time to time. For example, I thought Endgame was a great movie. Maybe you don’t, but yeah.
 
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so you're saying... a movie is terrible because it's fake? you do know those oscar winning movies have adults pretending to gunfight eachother with blanks on a prop set right?

calling marvel films a "theme park" is an insult to the geniuses who created the characters and story. not many people can come up with the idea of "spider man". it takes a lot of imagination and thought to create the world marvel has created.
This has to be troll post, right? xd
 
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calling marvel films a "theme park" is an insult to the geniuses who created the characters and story. not many people can come up with the idea of "spider man". it takes a lot of imagination and thought to create the world marvel has created.
This is amazing.
 

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I’m not some super MCU fan, so... I’m just saying I enjoy some MCU movies from time to time. For example, I thought Endgame was a great movie. Maybe you don’t, but yeah.
Good for you bruh. No sarcasm there.
 

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He is right.
And this doesn't have anything to do with that they are comics based.

Dark Knight is also comic based and it is by itself amazing movie with stellar performances.
 
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calling marvel films a "theme park" is an insult to the geniuses who created the characters and story. not many people can come up with the idea of "spider man". it takes a lot of imagination and thought to create the world marvel has created.
Look, I’m not here to ruin anyone’s good time. I don’t click with the movies at all, but it’s fine if you do. It’s not world politics, it’s not important, and if somebody, somewhere, is actually having fun, instead of all the dismal stuff that’s always happening, I’m down for it.

This however, is one of the funniest unironic things ever posted here. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

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I find it so funny whenever James Cameron or any other old school director criticizes MCU films and fans get so angry.

You don't agree with him fine. I don't either. It's his opinion. He isn't being literal anyway.

I do find it depressing that the MCU make up most of my top 10 movies of the past decade. The exceptions being Logan and Blade runner 2049.

As for arthouse cinema this past decade has been so awful.

Compare the 2000s Oscar nominees with the 2010s....such a stark contrast in quality. We had No Country For Old Men, TWWB, Zodiac, The Dark Knight, Little Miss Sunshine, Inglorious Basterds, kill Bill 1 & 2......sigh the good days.
 
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I like his movies generally more than MCU movies, but what I don’t like is arrogance.
I’m an artist in a visual medium and I’ve always resented the marching orders that truly great art must have deep, and dark thematic content. Or make a social statement on the issue du jour in the cultural space. It is a limiting and myopic way of perceiving the world and the creative process.
 

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>dude gets bit by a spider
>gets spider powers
Yeah, wow mhm who could've thought of that?
two people in a world of 7 billion plus.. they happened to become rich because of it. one of em anyway don't know about the other guy
 

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Marvel movies ARE fun! What’s wrong with you, brap?!
They aren't to everyone, honestly. If you don't automatically think superheroes being on screen is AWESOME then there's nothing much to them.
 
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sol_bad

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well the mcu is highly popular and highly successful, hence a blockbuster. how old are you 13?
The only other blockbusters right now that hit over a billion are Star Wars, Fast and the Furious, Jurassic Park and Disney remakes. It's 70% MCU though.
Not sure why S sunnysideup would get annoyed at the thought of MCU films being blockbusters, that's what they are.
 
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The only other blockbusters right now that hit over a billion are Star Wars, Fast and the Furious, Jurassic Park and Disney remakes. It's 70% MCU though.
Not sure why S sunnysideup would get annoyed at the thought of MCU films being blockbusters, that's what they are.
I don't understand how anybody could argue they're not Blockbusters either.

 
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Samuel keeping it real.
Wife and I watched Taxi Driver after Joker, she unfortunately didn't think much of it, she also got bored of Casino when I tried to get her to watch it a few years ago.
:messenger_frowning_:messenger_frowning_

She loved Wolf of Wall Street, The Departed and Shutter Island though.
She found The Last Temptation of Christ and Gangs of New York interesting.
 
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Alternative title: Samuel L Jackson defends his employer; wants more easy paychecks
or
Marvel fans/shills still seething; seeking validation from other well-known actors or directors

Really though, he doesn't even know the full context of the quote. He literally says he didn't pay attention to it and she presents it as though Scorsese only said Marvel films aren't cinema, completely ignoring the crucial theme park portion of the quote. And then she brings up the "millions and billions of dollars", like that's fucking relevant. Yep, no agenda on her part!
 
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I watch almost every MCU movie tripping out of my mind on an extremely strong dose of edible weed so to me they are most definitely theme park rides.

They certainly aren't serious films in any way but then that's exactly the same case for many other movies too.
 

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Also, I didnt say that each individual MCU film was taking risks, I said they are made by passionate people. But if you do want to talk about risks, the entire concept of the interconnected MCU was/is a massive risk. Spider-Man 1 and 2 and dark Knight didnt take any risks at all either to be honest, they are just very well made films.

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You also ignored my question.
Winter Soldier, Ant-Man and Black Panther all feel the exact same? In their visual look and story telling?
Visually they all look the same. They all use the same type of color grading that creates a flat and dull picture when they should pop visually. The second GoTG being a small exception. The first Thor was not a good film, but it was gorgeous to look at. Hell Marvel's Civil War looks like it was completely shot in a parking lot.

I'm not saying all digital films look like piss compared to actual film. Mad Max Fury Road and Skyfall were shot on the same digital recorder that most Marvel films use, and those films actually have artistic vision and thought put into them. Disney hires these great cinematographers and doesn't actually let them do their job.
 
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I’m not some super MCU fan, so... I’m just saying I enjoy some MCU movies from time to time. For example, I thought Endgame was a great movie. Maybe you don’t, but yeah.
No one is saying you can’t enjoy these movies.

MCU fans always revert back to this shit argument.
 
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I'm the first one to agree - in part - with him, but celebrities should never shittalk others' stuff and other celebs in public, imo, it's a drop in class
Also, Scorsese, guess who made billions and the most viewed movie ever?
 

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Really though, he doesn't even know the full context of the quote. He literally says he didn't pay attention to it and she presents it as though Scorsese only said Marvel films aren't cinema, completely ignoring the crucial theme park portion of the quote. And then she brings up the "millions and billions of dollars", like that's fucking relevant. Yep, no agenda on her part!
Samuel never heard the whole proper quote properly. His opinion doesn't matter.

Scorsese never saw a whole proper MCU film properly. His opinion matters ok!

eeeeehhhhhhh
 
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I was planning on taking advatage of this truth and making superior films for the easily impressed, but now Mr. Scorsese let the cat out of the bag. Dang it all. ;p

Disney/Marvel movies make lots of money and better-than-average reviews on a literal production/assembly line. That's good enough for them, but not for me. There's no amount of money or reviews that would feel right if I wasn't personally happy with my own work.
 

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Yeah, it is. It's like the difference between real 80s movies and Stranger Things or AHS 1984.

I'll admit though digital looks way better now than in the late 2000s. Everything was fucking brown or teal. There's even a JCVD movie that has a goddamn sepia filter on for the entire movie. Something like Triple 9 from a few years back looks like it was shot on film though it wasn't. Some of these movies really do look like somebody shot them on an iphone though.
Sorry brap, forgot to reply to this message. I assure you that MCU films do not look like they are made on an iphone.
But even if they were, that's still not something to laugh at or mock.

Steven Soderbergh made a film on an iphone.
 

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Sorry brap, forgot to reply to this message. I assure you that MCU films do not look like they are made on an iphone.
But even if they were, that's still not something to laugh at or mock.

Steven Soderbergh made a film on an iphone.
Yeah, but that's a low budget horror movie and it looks fine. Those marvel movies have approximately 800 quadgillion dollars put into each one and they still look cheap. Probably all the greenscreen and CGI combined with shooting digitally.
 

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Samuel never heard the whole proper quote properly. His opinion doesn't matter.

Scorsese never saw a whole proper MCU film properly. His opinion matters ok!

eeeeehhhhhhh
He's defending his employer, if I got paid millions to put on an eye patch and play myself in every movie, I'd say the same.

Anyway, I still don't know why you are so triggered when people tell the truth about the MCU movies. It's weird, they make a lot of money, they will continue to make them in the endless factory line, you'll get to fanboy out over the latest guy/girl in a suit making quips in stories with very little consequences and zero artistic merit.

Why are you so annoyed when people tell the truth about the product that they are?