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Self-driving trucks will hit the road in Ohio
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Amazing how fast self driving tech is moving, that's a lot of retrenching for truck drivers coming up though.... How many truckies are there in USA!?
Thelonelykoopa
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Cool hopefully robot truck drivers are less assholes than the normal fleshy variety over here.
KO Traveling Hobo
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How does an automated truck do deliveries? How does it know when to leave its destination?
Quite a lot and it is one of the top jobs available in economically depressed areas, so yea, this is going to have recriminations.
There's debate as to how accurate some of these classifications are but....
Most common jobs by state;
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state
3.5 million or so.
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There's debate as to how accurate some of these classifications are but....
Most common jobs by state;
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state
Murica: Land of the free and software developing truck drivers.
There's debate as to how accurate some of these classifications are but....
Most common jobs by state;
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state
holy fuck... the end is nigh, isn't it?
Spiral Insanity
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As long as they don't speed by 25mph.
shira
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IDK man robots like to text
There's debate as to how accurate some of these classifications are but.... Most common jobs by state;http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state
TRUMP THE ROBOTS, THEY TOOK ER JERBS
Pretty much the main reason people were pushing for a universal income. The top job market in the US is about to be replaced by robots and no one is doing anything to alleviate the problem.
meltingparappa
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Interesting that they're rolling out just before winter. Although salt trucks hit the freeway in Ohio almost instantly.
Hickbilly Deluxe
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Its the most common job in something like 47 states, by a wide margin.
Seductivpancakes
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So are they replacing jobs?
yep there is no stoping that train, we really need a Basic Universal Income, professional counseling and reorientation for these people or things will get nasty
Most employed job in America with 3.6 million drivers on the road.
Driverless cars will force us to question the jobs cultist full employment nonsense we adhere to. We will either prosper, or America will be a study in how much poverty a first world can absorb until it crumbles.
What these guys would migrate to - service jobs - were directly called out by the White House as "high-risk" jobs for automation, too...
They can always get an education! But who has on average $35,000? Oops, forgot to mention; deep learning systems now learn faster than humans. This is where most replacement will happen, in cognitive work.
Fun times for America. The jobs con man inheriting the White House is going to face the beginning of the biggest social issue of the 21st century. Machines are not a minority, so this excuse won't work.
Also, fun fact for those saying "both parties are the same" jazz: Obama admits we need a basic income, and there were those in Clinton's campaign planning on making one using a retrofitted TANF program.
Enjoy your precarity.
paperboywriter
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no one is doing any of this. its gonna bite us in the ass more than any big problem today, except climate change.
There's debate as to how accurate some of these classifications are but....
Most common jobs by state;
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state
Jeez. Given that self-driving cars will eventually remove the need for truck drivers, and software developers will develop/improve self-driving cars, are we going to see software-developer take over that map? I went into the right field.
nhlducks35
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That's ok, people will just blame minorities and Obama
John Kowalski
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Hit is a great way to put it.
I would assume there will demand for engineers who specialize in robotics too.
At least until software engineers create programs that to that work.
And then they create software that creates software.
It's certainly going to put Trump's populist protectionist stances in opposition to the establishment, pro business wing of his party. Kasich is even singled out in the OP as being a big proponent of this development.
This is already happening. Deep learning, in some respects, is exactly this.
They will, it's just a question of how much damage will happen to the fabric of society until the politicians realize this is not a problem they can kick away and is just beyond any ideology, Basic Income isn't a thing that you can pin at either left or right if you see the big picture.
shira
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Just until robots can start writing their own code. Why pay a lousy hooman $100k a year with benefirts and insurance/pension when you can have a robot/AI write it for free?
as the technology progresses why would we need a person inside the truck? A bored out of his mind person inside a truck, what a dream job
There may be, but this still doesn't change the fact that's until the technology stabilizes as well as the fact you will assuredly need fewer people.
If companies start platooning, they only need one human for every X cars, with all of them linked like a hivemind. You can bank if companies go that way, you only need 20% of that labor force. This is how you get the migration and decline within the service sector economy as well.
Worse still, as one's tasks are more delegated to the machine, so goes their income. The loss of the job isn't the only problem, but the rise of the job being insoluble to our social impositions.
Having a human in there doesn't change the fact this is incredibly destructive for the way we think, as it accelerates precarity and unsustainability within the work itself, be it as a job or wages within it.
Look up Enlitic or Watson. These are deep learning systems, and they're poised to change the medical industry.
Walmart fired 7,000 people a few months ago, likely because inventory and stocking could be better categorized by deep learning than actual programming and personal accounting of such tasks.
In fact, bringing it back to this, consider for a moment Nvidia made a driverless car with less than 100 recorded hours towards the project. Deep learning played a role.
Because they're testing it. That requirement is obviously going to be reduced or removed at some point.
Yeah curious too. I can imagine a whole host of ways, but i'm curious exactly what they went with for now (a button the recipient presses? an app? the "driver" always in the car?)
Yet.
This is basically testing. The driver is just there to take over in case things go sideways.
The instant the threshold is reached where automated incidents are less frequent than human ones, there's no reason to keep the human drivers; if anything, they'd be a liability. Might even be sooner than that.
Mr. Giggles
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Hope those trucks don't go over 80 mph otherwise I fear GAF would explode
ZackieChan
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That image isn't nearly as dire as people posting it make it out to be. Yes, it's a lot of jobs, but if you read the article, there's this:
"The prominence of truck drivers is partly due to the way the government categorizes jobs. It lumps together all truck drivers and delivery people, creating a very large category. Other jobs are split more finely; for example, primary school teachers and secondary school teachers are in separate categories."
Tractor drivers are in there, etc. I bet postal workers are in there, as well. Sure, they may all be on the chopping block eventually, but I feel like most people here are envisioning this as all long-haul truckers or something.
Also, just because one job type is "most common" doesn't mean there aren't a ton of other job types that, in the aggregate, far eclipse this single job type.
Again, there's no doubt that a reckoning is coming for truck drivers, but I believe that it is overstated with images like this posted without context or analysis.
"The prominence of truck drivers is partly due to the way the government categorizes jobs. It lumps together all truck drivers and delivery people, creating a very large category. Other jobs are split more finely; for example, primary school teachers and secondary school teachers are in separate categories."
Tractor drivers are in there, etc. I bet postal workers are in there, as well. Sure, they may all be on the chopping block eventually, but I feel like most people here are envisioning this as all long-haul truckers or something.
Also, just because one job type is "most common" doesn't mean there aren't a ton of other job types that, in the aggregate, far eclipse this single job type.
Again, there's no doubt that a reckoning is coming for truck drivers, but I believe that it is overstated with images like this posted without context or analysis.
...yet
KO Traveling Hobo
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What's the point then?
Marky Mark
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ZackieChan
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I'd like to see what the number of delivery jobs that require the driver to do work on either destination is. For instance, when I worked in restaurants, the delivery guy who drove the truck also unloaded everything into the restaurant for us. My uncle drives for a tv channel that broadcasts sporting events, and they help to set up the equipment when they arrive at a destination, which could literally be anywhere in the US. They also help to repack the equipment, etc. It isn't always just driving.
Lower incidence of accidents, drivers could arrive faster/"drive" longer hours without stopping, don't need two drivers working in pairs, etc.
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