Fantastical
Death Prophet
That's true. Still, what I quoted, that the mainstream press doesn't care about E3, is 100% incorrect.
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SESSLER'S SOMETHING Nintendo Skipping Their E3 Press Conference
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That's true. Still, what I quoted, that the mainstream press doesn't care about E3, is 100% incorrect.
Well they can't really show sales charts this year so they probably don't want to bother 
I think in the end the whole target audience etc doesn't really matter, it's the fact that they give up on the biggest VG press conference of the year ever at a time where they need much better communication. It does seem a bit... contradictory.
I think in the end the whole target audience etc doesn't really matter, it's the fact that they give up on the biggest VG press conference of the year ever at a time where they need much better communication. It does seem a bit... contradictory.
Basically this.
TraumaHunter
Neo Member
@ comments about youtube sucking:
Recently a post went viral about disabling connections to google cache servers because they were clogging up. For some people this made youtube load faster because the content was being served directly to them.
People blocked connections to 60,000 (Number made up based on what I remember someone else saying) different servers because someones blog post went viral and made its way to reddit and other places.
The reason those caches exist is to get video traffic off the internet as quickly as possible at the edge (where your ISPs router meets the start of the internet) and not congest the backbones the internet actually needs to transport non-static content.
TL;DR - some idiot told people how to break the internet and most of the people who did this "fix" didn't know exactly what they were doing. So now its impossible to tell if its broken because the caches are messed up, or if people aren't connecting to them so that they work properly.
Recently a post went viral about disabling connections to google cache servers because they were clogging up. For some people this made youtube load faster because the content was being served directly to them.
People blocked connections to 60,000 (Number made up based on what I remember someone else saying) different servers because someones blog post went viral and made its way to reddit and other places.
The reason those caches exist is to get video traffic off the internet as quickly as possible at the edge (where your ISPs router meets the start of the internet) and not congest the backbones the internet actually needs to transport non-static content.
TL;DR - some idiot told people how to break the internet and most of the people who did this "fix" didn't know exactly what they were doing. So now its impossible to tell if its broken because the caches are messed up, or if people aren't connecting to them so that they work properly.
Now you are being obtuse. What does in person have anything to do with the topic at hand?
I really dont understand this idea of "no big E3 conference = no one knows about your games"
do people think that E3 is something that just random non-interested people tune in to see?
we will get news from every single gaming-related news site anyway. Everything they announce no matter how will be all over the internet for the same INTERESTED people that would have watched E3 anyway
do people think that E3 is something that just random non-interested people tune in to see?
we will get news from every single gaming-related news site anyway. Everything they announce no matter how will be all over the internet for the same INTERESTED people that would have watched E3 anyway
Closed door presentations that don't require a theatre, yes.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
That'd be kickass, I was always hoping for an all Retro Direct.
EmCeeGramr
Member
So did either of Nintendo's statements actually say that they would present E3 as a Nintendo Direct? Because I've looked like ten times now and it says that they haven't decided on a format yet.
BlazingDarkness
Member
The delivery of the content is all the difference. Any company could simply stream their product over the internet for people to watch, but the difference lies in how it is presented. That's what builds the buzz/mindshare with both the press and gaming enthusiasts.
Randomly announcing a Nintendo Direct a day before it airs and then revealing new software pales in comparison to revealing a selection of software after months and weeks of speculation and hype (E3.)
I'm not sure if you could compare TGS with E3. I mean... there is sheer scale of difference. Just because one nation doesn't participate in Copa de Oro doesn't mean one nation can totally ignore World Cup.
metalslimer
Member
Except the one for journalists is apparently in the nokia theatre.
but they are still showing games and announcements... whats the problem?
Rollo Lawson
Banned
The Wii U needs games - Nintendo will be showing games at E3. Splitting one big event into smaller ones doesn't equate to hiding games...
A question on this core theme of the complaint:
Nintendo directs are watched by Nintendo fans.
E3 Conferences are watched by everyone.
Crucial question, here: what is the key difference between the two broadcasts? Both are streams which inform people about games. The presentation differs between them, but not the content. Why do people seek out the latter and not the former? Is it because they're broadcast on multiple sites?
Why is it not possible for other news sites to promote, embed and broadcast the Directs but they can do it for the conferences? Why the double-standard?
Nintendo directs are watched by Nintendo fans.
E3 Conferences are watched by everyone.
Crucial question, here: what is the key difference between the two broadcasts? Both are streams which inform people about games. The presentation differs between them, but not the content. Why do people seek out the latter and not the former? Is it because they're broadcast on multiple sites?
Why is it not possible for other news sites to promote, embed and broadcast the Directs but they can do it for the conferences? Why the double-standard?
TraumaHunter
Neo Member
I must admit I chuckled.
illmatic22
Banned
Hit the nail on the head with that.
Didn't stop mainstream press sites from picking up news about the Luigi direct a couples months ago. Good marketing after the fact is more important than live stream conferences and haphazard impressions from overworked journalists. If they are present in a good way at E3 in any form then their goal is accomplished, because they will not win the mega conference pissing contest when up against new hardware.
I agree the decision is weird, but ultimately pointless overall. The only thing they really miss out on is the more collective nature of hype generated at a larger conference, but its difficult to say how much that really means.
Pretty sure they'll tell us when their video stream will be coming up, just like microsoft and sony.
Keep telling yourself this when the current media outright ignores Nintendo if it isn't E3.
After all these hours people are still "What? Nintendo not holding a big E3 Conference? So this means Nintendo won't have any presence at E3 right? And the media will ignore Nintendo because they won't have a E3 conference"
I wish now that Nintendo did change their mind and have a E3 Conference just so we wouldn't be getting this, it's really sad now.
opticalmace
Member
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Many people that are not fans of all 3 companies watch all 3 press conferences. It's almost guaranteed that less people that aren't Nintendo fans will watch a Nintendo Direct. It's just not the same.
The amount of silly reactions to this news is incredible.
People are acting like Nintendo just abandoned traditional journalism to focus on people they already have won over.
Here's how it used to go..
Traditional Nintendo E3 > reported by press > reaches gamers
Now it's
Nintendo Direct > reaches gamers and press > reaches even more gamers.
The press are still going to report on every little peice of Nintendo news just like they always have. Even in the midst of E3. Nintendo will hold a Direct in the middle of the convention and it won't matter one bit to the general consumer in the end.
Also, people are acting like there's going to be no news to report on in the first place. New Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Wii Fit U, Smash Bros, Zelda and more are all CONFIRMED to be there.
It's like another world in here.
People are acting like Nintendo just abandoned traditional journalism to focus on people they already have won over.
Here's how it used to go..
Traditional Nintendo E3 > reported by press > reaches gamers
Now it's
Nintendo Direct > reaches gamers and press > reaches even more gamers.
The press are still going to report on every little peice of Nintendo news just like they always have. Even in the midst of E3. Nintendo will hold a Direct in the middle of the convention and it won't matter one bit to the general consumer in the end.
Also, people are acting like there's going to be no news to report on in the first place. New Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Wii Fit U, Smash Bros, Zelda and more are all CONFIRMED to be there.
It's like another world in here.
Y...you're just proving my point. The difference is marginal, and for anyone that watches E3 online, non-existent.
There is no key difference.
brandonh83
Banned
That's because there's no big deal to see. People treat E3 like a sporting event, it's all about the noise and cock waving. Nintendo showing a new awesome game on Direct is just the same to me as showing it at E3 and they can probably do a better job of showing it on the Directs. All I need is the game reveal, what it looks like, what it's going to be about, some media, and when roughly I can expect it. I don't need some big crowd reaction to a game reveal. Zany GAF threads are the fun for me, and those still happen from the Directs.
I used to look forward to these, but there are other conferences to look forward to. However when E3 is over, Nintendo will still be pumping out Directs. I realize people love to extrapolate failure and forfeit out of everything though.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Keep ignoring the fact that Nintendo games will be playable at E3.
I think the problem is that Nintendo have denied for some people the perfect event to sit down in a theater, roll their eyes for 90 minutes, snark sarcastically at how bad Nintendo is at E3 conferences, remark how that new IP/multiplatform would not sell, and then go back to their hotel rooms and summit poorly and hasty written Nintendo-is-doomed articles.
Also, "live TV"? Seriously, where?
Also, "live TV"? Seriously, where?
Those outside views are still coming from people with enough interest in Nintendo to seek out the Directs. What they need right now is to reel in those who are not part of that audience, and a proper E3 conference is still one of the best ways to do it.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You have to wonder how much efficient are Nintendo Direct compared to conferences. Apple does them, Samsung does them, etc..
How many people watched the PS4 meetting? and how many news spawned from it?. Yeah Nintendo Direct would show the same games Nintendo would show on a conference, But is clearly not the same.
All the spotlight will be on MS and Sony this E3. Maybe in the bigger picture it won't matter that much, but I don't understand why they need to back now when the Wii U needs more spotlight than ever.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I bet Iwata is watching this and is like.."yea..Im still gonna do what I said."
krypt0nian
Banned
You're a peach. I'm loving it. Simply textbook here.
..... I don't get it. Nintendo Direct is way of reaching MORE gamers than e3?
Also yes, only Nintendo fans will tune-in to watch Nintendo Direct
problem with that argument? everything that gets announced on Nintendo Direct is all over every gaming news site that covers every console anyway
you didnt watch Nintendo Direct because you dont care and like Sony/MS? 2 minutes later you go to your favorite gaming site and you know there's a new Zelda coming out
how is that any different?
believe me this move is reason to be worried, but this thing brought up some weird notions of what apparently people consider E3 to be
problem with that argument? everything that gets announced on Nintendo Direct is all over every gaming news site that covers every console anyway
you didnt watch Nintendo Direct because you dont care and like Sony/MS? 2 minutes later you go to your favorite gaming site and you know there's a new Zelda coming out
how is that any different?
believe me this move is reason to be worried, but this thing brought up some weird notions of what apparently people consider E3 to be
Except he didn't. Who watched the press conferences? Nintendo fans. What's the difference? The same people who would have watched the nintendo press conference are going to watch whatever Nintendo puts out this year. Except this time when they watch it they won't see a bunch of journalists in a room.
Where, exactly? Interested in this.
Where they show off 2D Metroid on 3DS and Mach Rider for Wii U?
I'd also love a little behind-the-scenes of Retro studios, in the vein of Konami does with MGS4 or what they did last time for Bayonetta 2. I love that stuff.
Schnozberry
Member
A rep from NOA said there would be a lot of Nintendo Directs between now and E3. I think the overreaction to this comes from people's emotional attachments to what E3 used to be. It's not an industry mega show anymore. If it was, Microsoft and Sony would have waited to swing their dicks out until their reveal conference. Attendance is expected to be 40% lower than the biggest event in 2005.
1 big presentation seems outdated nowadays anyway. Information moves so quickly and through so many different channels. I think what Nintendo is doing is smart, it seems they are going to appeal to each of various video game entities (press, gamers, retailers) separately, rather than try to condense everything into a half-assed hour long conference. Their past few E3 shows certainly haven't helped their newest platforms perform well in the market, so why continue with a failed strategy? Getting first hand impressions is the key for Nintendo me thinks.
Wrestlemania
Banned
A Nintendo Direct held during E3 in place of a press conference will be viewed by far, far more people than a typical Nintendo Direct.
Zombie James
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GoddyofAus
Banned
I might be taking a pretty extreme view on this whole thing, but I think Nintendo have given up on the Wii U. Sessler is right; there is no way they'll move consoles by making announcements through such a focused medium like Direct. They already have the Core Nintendo fans on side; what can they possibly announce that will attract the rest of us enough to take our attention away from Sony and MS? That, coupled with all this love they're giving the 3DS.....
They've given up on the Wii U. That is the only conclusion you can come to.
They've given up on the Wii U. That is the only conclusion you can come to.
This whole thing will depend on how much of the press actually get's to see Nintendo's presentations at E3 and actually gives a shit about Nintendo Direct.
Whenever there's a new ND it typically get's covered by people like Wired and such, but I'm still not sure that's doing a good job of getting the word out to the mass audience. Adam definitely laid out the central problem: how the hell is this gonna get the word out to people who aren't already aware of the Wii U? And actual awareness of the system's existence is definitely a main problem affecting the Wii U's sales.
The mainstream press attends Nintendo press conferences at E3. During the Wii years that was actually quite effective in getting people who don't even know what E3 is to find out about what happened there. I remember hearing word-of-mouth from people about Nintendo's E3 announcements mere hours after they were made from people who've never heard of E3.
Whenever there's a new ND it typically get's covered by people like Wired and such, but I'm still not sure that's doing a good job of getting the word out to the mass audience. Adam definitely laid out the central problem: how the hell is this gonna get the word out to people who aren't already aware of the Wii U? And actual awareness of the system's existence is definitely a main problem affecting the Wii U's sales.
The mainstream press attends Nintendo press conferences at E3. During the Wii years that was actually quite effective in getting people who don't even know what E3 is to find out about what happened there. I remember hearing word-of-mouth from people about Nintendo's E3 announcements mere hours after they were made from people who've never heard of E3.
Source for this?
timetokill
Banned
I meant what do people who believe in the given thesis is the difference
Like I said, the only people who have any reason to care are people invested in "console warz" and declaring "winners" at E3.