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Shenmue 3 Paypal backers won't get Kickstarter rewards
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Bright-Light
Member
No, they couldn't. That is the entire point of a paypal campaign.
davidwhangchoi
Member
^LOL
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
There are a lot of users who had to, for one reason or another, wait for a Paypal option to become available. I have seen this pop up many times over the course of dozens of Kickstarter campaigns. Many potential donors were begging for a Paypal payment option before the campaign wrapped up, but as with many things in this campaign, it was mismanaged and barely paid any mind until the midnight hour.
Sometimes, the world isn't so black and white as you'd think.
NoFaceNico
Member
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
I did back the Kickstarter and I voted Yes in this poll, because:
1. What do I care what others get if they back this project? I already and definitely will get my stuff. Might as well help them by voting Yes so they can have fun too.
2. What sense would it make if people who backed through PayPal get nothing out of it? Might as well help them by voting Yes so they can have fun too.
The poll clearly showed that the majority of voters were fine with PayPal backers getting rewards or were at least indifferent to the idea.
The devs deciding that they suddenly need an 80-20 split or whatever is a seriously stupid decision that leads or has already led to a lot of backlash.
1. What do I care what others get if they back this project? I already and definitely will get my stuff. Might as well help them by voting Yes so they can have fun too.
2. What sense would it make if people who backed through PayPal get nothing out of it? Might as well help them by voting Yes so they can have fun too.
The poll clearly showed that the majority of voters were fine with PayPal backers getting rewards or were at least indifferent to the idea.
The devs deciding that they suddenly need an 80-20 split or whatever is a seriously stupid decision that leads or has already led to a lot of backlash.
Mushroomer25
Member
So you can point to something and say 'Well, the COMMUNITY really wanted...' - when in reality you just don't want to pay for those rewards.
To be clear, were PayPal backers offered those rewards explicitly? Like if I had donated last month, was it suggested that I'd get a reward in return?
Edit - Okay, so this was entirely about supplemental rewards that previously had been denied to PayPal backers. Still shitty & cheap that the devs decided to exclude them & blame the fans - but not the outright con that this headline could be read as.
TO CLARIFY:
All existing PayPal Slacker Backer rewards remain unaffected by the recent poll.
The poll was only to decide whether rewards that had been omitted (but previously available through Kickstarter) should be added to the line-up.
Yeah.
Only kickstarter backers were allowed to vote on the poll. Paypal backers have lost nothing, they simply won't be getting kickstarter exclusive items that they were never promised (hence the name "kickstarter exclusive")
Their reaction to the poll is shitty, but it is the kickstarter backers they haven't listened to. The paypal backers are still getting exactly what they paid for.
Laevateinn
Member
When this game is released in a couple years, your friend won't remember that a vocal number of Kickstarter backers wanted this.
Not necessarily. Maybe some people didn't have the money to back the Kickstarter while the campaign was running. Or maybe they simply don't have a credit card. There are plenty of reasons as to why one may not have been able to back while the campaign was it was live and they're not reasons to begrudge someone for.
This exclusionst, us-versus-them attitude doesn't align very well with the Shenmue spirit, in my opinion. :\
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
For further clarification, here's the Paypal campaign site, which shows all of the rewards that Paypal backers can get.
Their reaction to the poll is still unusual, but there's a huge chunk of physical rewards available.
I picked the neutral choice. My thought was, if paypal backers want the rewards I don't mind if they get them and if there are any reasons against it (e.g. limited production or increased costs) I wouldn't be mad if they don't put extra effort in or if it's impossible to make the rewards available for them.
If I had known how the results are handled now I would have voted 'yes' instead.
If I had known how the results are handled now I would have voted 'yes' instead.
I'm sure the conclusion came before the poll.
NoFaceNico
Member
There will always be some instance where you could say that someone living north of the arctic circle doesn't have access to Kickstarter, but in the internet age if you wanted to support the game so badly, there's always a way.
And if you remember the Paypal option requests so vividly, then I'm sure you'll remember that it was brought up when the superfans were afraid that the campaign wouldn't get enough money to cover all the stretch goals and make the entire game Yu Suzuki imagined and they hoped a PayPal option would make that possible. It was not people saying Kickstarter wouldn't take their money, you're rewriting what happened to fit your argument.
That sucks, especially regarding the ingame rewards. I backed at a level of the kickstarter that gets them, but I wish they hadn't locked any of that behind tiers. Cameos from past characters being unavailable to anyone that didn't back the kickstarter is lame. I missed this poll, but would have voted yes if I had seen it.
blazeuk
Member
I voted yes but honestly didn't care either way. I don't particularly have a problem with those who voted no, if they want to remain in some sort of Kickstarter exclusive club then they paid their money and were promised such a thing. No-one who backed via paypal are getting anything taken off them, they're getting exactly what was described.
Laevateinn
Member
They weren't looking for whether backers democratically voted for opening the rewards. They were looking for whether a large number of backers would be against opening rewards up that were promised to them exclusively. Turns out, there's a few thousand Kickstarter backers who wanted to withhold these options to be exclusive which bums me out.
Not everyone has a credit card and Kickstarter doesn't support paypal.
Must have been a lot of replies enforcing the no vote in spades, on the kickstarter website possibly.
I didn't vote. I was under the impression it was twitter only and wasn't opening a twitter account. Possibly should have done more research.
I didn't care one way or the other personally.
Btw I have no credit or debit card. Still the reality is, not everyone who doesn't, has someone as I do, willing to take a chance exposing their name/credit on their behalf. Should be understandable.
You could also file my backing under "where there's a will there's a way". It's all in how you see things.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
I'm not rewriting anything. Why would people beg for a Paypal option at all to 'save' the campaign if there weren't very specific reasons why backing via Amazon Payments/Kickstarter wasn't viable for many potential backers? Don't be so dense.
Or maybe it was both. Unimaginable. Many people don't have cc's and can't use kickstarter. Accept that.
NoFaceNico
Member
Kickstarter does not require a credit card. The card I have on the site is a debit card. I wouldn't be surprised if a prepaid debit card would work. And now that I'm thinking about it, I think I backed the C.H.I.P. project with a prepaid card.
Do they have a friend? I used to pay my landlord cash to get stuff for me back when I didn't have credit card.
I know you guys are saying we should keep things open for every possible instance under the sun up to and including extending the campaign for those waiting to return to earth from the International Space Station but when something explicitly says it's "EXCLUSIVE" then maybe things should be black & white.
All I can say is that I'm really sad to see people look at things this way.
There's no reason for PayPal backers to not get these rewards other than the selfishness of others.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I can't back Kickstarters since I can't pay through Amazon payments. ;3;
Again not everyone has the option of using debit cards, not all of us live in the US. The only option we have here is credit card and nothing else.
ShenmueNextGen
Neo Member
Can the OP change the title of this thread to:
"Shenmue 3 Paypal campaign won't include the EXCLUSIVE Kickstarter rewards"
Okay? Thank you.
"Shenmue 3 Paypal campaign won't include the EXCLUSIVE Kickstarter rewards"
Okay? Thank you.
idk man you should have a friend in the US pay for you and mail them the money. u snooze u lose.
ajim
Member
Well there it is.TO CLARIFY:
All existing PayPal Slacker Backer rewards remain unaffected by the recent poll.
The poll was only to decide whether rewards that had been omitted (but previously available through Kickstarter) should be added to the line-up.
Maybe op should include this?
In the worst case you can always just move to the US. A true fan would do that!
NoFaceNico
Member
A credit card is not required.
Everyone, please look it up before posting this, it's not true.
From Kickstarter:
If you followed the Kickstarter thread, this was talked about endlessly. In fact, some users here wanted to give a certain amount of money per month if they allowed a PayPal option. The PayPal option was not requested because Kickstarter wouldn't take someone's money.
JetSetRadio
Banned
What kind of monster wouldn't allow someone to call Ine-san?
Wut? They didn't promise jackshit. These rewards were never advertised for PayPal backers.
The only shit show is the dumb reactions.
This is just straight up bullocks. This is not exclusive to each other.
I refuse to use a debit card on the web. If the info gets jacked its much harder to have a bank chasing your money then it is gonna Be a credit card go after there own. Tons of paperwork to fill out at my bank when debit theft happens.
if it got funded, then what's the paypal for? why are they asking for more money?
Laevateinn
Member
I've backed a couple times now and plan on backing some more before the PayPal option is cut off.
That said, I don't see the harm in locking out exclusive rewards. People who back now are still backing long before the release of the game with little guarantee that something will be received. Don't let people get them when the game is close to or after release, fine, but now? What's the harm?
To hire more people and implement more features. Since when is more money bad?
C'mon! Some of the "exclusive" rewards are actual in-game content.
So at its most basic we have people in this very thread defending whats essentially retailer exclusive dlc (which of course will already be on the disc well before release, just arbitrarily locked to almost everybody who gets the game).
Seems even Shenmue can't escape the ugly side of modern gaming.
So at its most basic we have people in this very thread defending whats essentially retailer exclusive dlc (which of course will already be on the disc well before release, just arbitrarily locked to almost everybody who gets the game).
Seems even Shenmue can't escape the ugly side of modern gaming.
Yep, this annoys me quite a bit. Hopefully it's simple to unlock so anyone can see that content once it releases.
Then those people should have the same rewards as the ones that backed the kickstarter.
TO CLARIFY:
All existing PayPal Slacker Backer rewards remain unaffected by the recent poll.
The poll was only to decide whether rewards that had been omitted (but previously available through Kickstarter) should be added to the line-up.
although this makes me a lot less angry since I was under the impression that the paypal backers got nothing, those these suck compared to the kickstarter ones.