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[wrowa]

The last boss must always be dangerous and conceived to be able to screw you up no matter how much grinding you do.
You should always be able to push the odds to your favor with good strategy but never be able to be sure 100% to succeed.

I think that's a pretty stupid philosophy, to be honest. Having a boss that might be impossible for you to beat if you are unlucky and thus locking you out of an ending to a game you've played for dozens of hours is just a bad thing to do.

Most people don't finish their games anyway, there's no need to punish the ones who chose to continue playing till the very end.

 

[jello44]

It's not impossible. Dq9 happened. It depends if Altus is happy with its persona fanbase or decides to try new things.
Hardly I know. Not impossible.
Anyway I hope to ear out new details soon on smt4

It isn't though.

They've been working on it after Catherine, which was their dive into the HD world to see if they could handle it.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Is SMT set in the present day or the past?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e51hgWIsY4M

For this game anyway.

 

[fluffydelusions]

On the fence between this and Animal Crossing...lol

Both. Problem solved

 

[cj_iwakura]

I wonder if we'll see the trademark polygonal world map icon anywhere. It's even in Raidou 2 and Trauma Center.

 

[SteeloDMZ]

For someone whos never played this series, what's it like?
CLosest game cousin?

Hmmm, the battle system and demon collecting are kinda similar to Pokemon but not really.

 

[mugurumakensei]

RIP in peace, moon phase system.

Rest in peace in peace?

 

[Thoraxes]

RIP in peace, moon phase system.

Yeah, rip.

 

[Just take it with you.]

I wonder if we'll see the trademark polygonal world map icon anywhere. It's even in Raidou 2 and Trauma Center.

I certainly hope they don't toss my spinning blue man too. Then again, DDS didn't have it, so I guess there's precedent.

 

[jello44]

Rest in peace in peace?

Yup.

 

[Reversed]

I think the ditching of Moon Phases is understandable (as long as they don't drop the negotiations part, all it's fine). There are no more random encounters anymore and there's chance not everyone liked the extra walking in order to change the Moon's phase.

Such a shame since it was a pleasure to play with.

 

[TurnipFritters]

Oh, well, sounds neat.

 

[Soulhouf]

The moon phase system...I'll kinda miss it but when you think about it you realize it's ignorable for like 95% of the game. It's more of a gimmick than anything.

I know what you mean, but the moon phases is so SMT. I definitely add a special flavor to the games. They can't drop it like that.
I suspect there are a new elaborate system that will replace it.

 

[Kenka]

All I have to say regarding OP info is

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

The last boss must always be dangerous and conceived to be able to screw you up no matter how much grinding you do.
You should always be able to push the odds to your favor with good strategy but never be able to be sure 100% to succeed.

It's the long tepid slog to get to that boss then SPIKE. The game didn't seem to give a fuck what you did before that as long as you had at least some healing and buffing then that.

 

[charlequin]

Pretty much all of this information is great. I've never actually been a huge fan of the moon system, so I'm not particularly sad to see that go away; meanwhile, the systems and content in this game seem to be right on point for the first mainline SMT in ten years.

Is it terrible that I might actually be almost more excited for the soundtrack though?

It's only an option right? I pretty much prefer rerolling the fusion to get what I want.

why on earth would you prefer this

To be honest, I don't mind hugs and kisses demon fusing that much, but I'm not sad to see it gone either.

Cute.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

why on earth would you prefer this

I'm scared of the repercussions the replacement brings: mudflation and power creep.

Very few clamor for restrictions compared to those clamoring for ease and comfort, but that's not where the game design is balanced; they are only methods to get to a goal, not the goal itself.

 

[Sleepy]

Any chance 3DS gets a Persona game? Not much interested in Shin.

 

[CSX]

No more running around to n circles to get the moon phase you want? Awwwww yeah

 

[Glass Rebel]

Any chance 3DS gets a Persona game? Not much interested in Shin.

It was on a release list around E3 2010. Nothing since then.

 

[Sleepy]

It was on a release list around E3 2010. Nothing since then.

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[Soriku]

I thought about the Moon Phase thing, and the only logical conclusion I can come up with is that it's changed to Solar Noise. In fact, this game has really been Digital Devil Saga 3 all along!

 

[Oersted]

Should be. Nocturne was easily 50+ hours. I spent 80 hours myself. I also spent 60 on Strange Journey. This game has 100 sidequests so that playtime should be accurate. Some people could even go 100+, especially those wanting to get the 400+ demons. And we'll see what DLC adds.

Well, I´m in.

 

[buddha0991]

I thought about the Moon Phase thing, and the only logical conclusion I can come up with is that it's changed to Solar Noise. In fact, this game has really been Digital Devil Saga 3 all along!

its a revival of this series

 

[Soulhouf]

It's the long tepid slog to get to that boss then SPIKE. The game didn't seem to give a fuck what you did before that as long as you had at least some healing and buffing then that.

The boss is only a couple of minutes away from the save terminal, so yeah, it's not really a big deal.

why on earth would you prefer this

I like to see my efforts being rewarded, even if that effort is simply re-rolling the dices over and over until I get the desired results.
If I don't make that effort, I will very likely get a shitty result. I don't expect to get good results for free.
That's how I see it.

 

[buddha0991]

I like to see my efforts rewarded, even if that effort is simply re-rolling the dices over and over until I get the desired results.
If I don't make that effort, I will very likely get a shitty result. I don't expect to get good results for free.
That's how I see it.

I understand how this man feels. In Persona 4, making a Metatron that nulls/absorbs/reflects everything was so satisfying even though it took so long. By comparison, I casually made that same thing in 2 minutes on a whim in Persona 4 Golden, all the satisfaction was gone.

 

[NEO0MJ]

And the few who say that would be wrong (VLR isn't bad or anything, but it's really not even close). There is by no means any consensus on VLR being superior.

Well, I don't think anyone can deny it being better as a game.

 

[Persona86]

Any chance 3DS gets a Persona game? Not much interested in Shin.

No way Persona 5 will be on 3DS as an exclusive.

PS3 or PS4 guaranteed.

They said Catherine was kind of a test for the next Persona which to me points to a PS3/Xbox 360 game.

I'm excited to finally play a HD Persona/SMT game.

But the 3DS may have it's own unique Persona game, which would be great.

 

[oneida]

The Moon Phase System won’t be part of Shin Megami Tensei IV.

This makes me very sad. :/

 

[Man God]

No way Persona 5 will be on 3DS as an exclusive.

PS3 or PS4 guaranteed.

They said Catherine was kind of a test for the next Persona which to me points to a PS3/Xbox 360 game.

I'm excited to finally play a HD Persona/SMT game.

But the 3DS may have it's own unique Persona game, which would be great.

3DS is the perfect place for an ultimate version of Persona 3 in my mind.

Just call it Persona 3DS and have all the features of Fes and Portable plus I don't know, some streetpass nonsense or something.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

3DS is the perfect place for an ultimate version of Persona 3 in my mind.

Just call it Persona 3DS and have all the features of Fes and Portable plus I don't know, some streetpass nonsense or something.

The perfect place is where graphics would still have to be downgraded? This is crazy.

 

[Man God]

The perfect place is where graphics would still have to be downgraded? This is crazy.

3DS is stronger than the PSP and can do a simple game like Persona 3 better than the PS2, so...

 

[Extra Sauce]

Do we know if the game is fully voiced or is it a Persona 4 type situation?

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Is it terrible that I might actually be almost more excited for the soundtrack though?
.

I'm more surprised because it seems that people have accepted the new composer. Not that I complain about it, because I have liked what I have heard from the trailers.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

The perfect place is where graphics would still have to be downgraded? This is crazy.

It's Persona 3, not Shadow Of The Colossus, lol. The only problem would be the shit screen.

 

[electroplankton]

The perfect place is where graphics would still have to be downgraded? This is crazy.

Because Persona is well-known for its top-notch graphics.,

 

[Magicpaint]

The perfect place is where graphics would still have to be downgraded? This is crazy.

Not that it will happen (or even much makes sense to happen), but Persona 3 is hardly DQVIII/VP2/FFXII in terms of top notch PS2 graphics.

 

[Man God]

Not that it will happen (or even much makes sense to happen), but Persona 3 is hardly DQVIII/VP2/FFXII in terms of top notch PS2 graphics.

Also one of the games on the PS2 top graphics list, Snake Eater, looks better on the 3DS even in its cut down state. Modern shaders can work wonders.

This is horribly off topic though and I'm sorry to have started it.

If Soul Hackers is anything to go buy this game will be extensively voiced. They voiced practically every line in SH including some that they probably shouldn't have bothered with.

 

[buddha0991]

Also one of the games on the PS2 top graphics list, Snake Eater, looks better on the 3DS even in its cut down state. Modern shaders can work wonders.

This is horribly off topic though and I'm sorry to have started it.

If Soul Hackers is anything to go buy this game will be extensively voiced. They voiced practically every line in SH including some that they probably shouldn't have bothered with.

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[jello44]

PSVita is the perfect place for an ultimate version of Persona 3 in my mind.

I agree.

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A great big virtual Hee-ho to you!

 

[wastedyears]

the only thing wrong with rpgs with turn-based combat is nothing ...

if the story/characters are interesting, if the game looks & sounds good, & if the mechanics are interesting, clever, & allow for challenge, these games can still be as rewarding & enjoyable as they ever were...

that said, please, atlus - no final boss battle (see: strange journey) that involves a boss having an unblockable one-hit insta-death attack, okay? because that's just cheap, not clever...

Agree with everything said here. Except for the bit about Strange Journey. I'm no SMT expert by any means, but I didn't think SJ was difficult at all. You might lose a boss fight or two, but you can always try again, no big deal.

 

[buddha0991]

I agree.



A great big virtual Hee-ho to you!

but i actually love that li-Hee-ho at the casino!

 

[charlequin]

I like to see my efforts being rewarded, even if that effort is simply re-rolling the dices over and over until I get the desired results.

It's the worst kind of effort, though. It's literally grinding. The interesting part of complex demon fusion comes from having particularly rare skills and then having to map out the chain of inheritance that'll allow you to combine them on your target demon. If the demon family design is done well, that's still going to be interesting and challenging, it just won't take endless XOXOXO to produce a result that you already know is possible.

Also, I mean, I've seen people online take an hour XOing for various things, but in my experience it was usually more like a couple minutes for the combinations I was making. I made an all-element-null and an all-element-attack Persona in P4. Each one probably took twenty minutes total -- five to plan out inheritance, fifteen minutes doing XOXOXO on about six or seven different demons. I don't think it'd be less satisfying to spend seven minutes on each instead.

 

[TurnipFritters]

Any chance 3DS gets a Persona game? Not much interested in Shin.

It was on a release list around E3 2010. Nothing since then.

I understand how this man feels. In Persona 4, making a Metatron that nulls/absorbs/reflects everything was so satisfying even though it took so long. By comparison, I casually made that same thing in 2 minutes on a whim in Persona 4 Golden, all the satisfaction was gone.

No way Persona 5 will be on 3DS as an exclusive.

PS3 or PS4 guaranteed.

They said Catherine was kind of a test for the next Persona which to me points to a PS3/Xbox 360 game.

I'm excited to finally play a HD Persona/SMT game.

But the 3DS may have it's own unique Persona game, which would be great.

3DS is the perfect place for an ultimate version of Persona 3 in my mind.

Just call it Persona 3DS and have all the features of Fes and Portable plus I don't know, some streetpass nonsense or something.

The perfect place is where graphics would still have to be downgraded? This is crazy.

3DS is stronger than the PSP and can do a simple game like Persona 3 better than the PS2, so...

It's Persona 3, not Shadow Of The Colossus, lol. The only problem would be the shit screen.

Because Persona is well-known for its top-notch graphics.,

Not that it will happen (or even much makes sense to happen), but Persona 3 is hardly DQVIII/VP2/FFXII in terms of top notch PS2 graphics.

Perhaps someone should have asked about the possibility of Persona 3DS at the Q&A for SMT4. At least then we would have had something to talk about in this thread.

 

[Just take it with you.]

I understand how this man feels. In Persona 4, making a Metatron that nulls/absorbs/reflects everything was so satisfying even though it took so long. By comparison, I casually made that same thing in 2 minutes on a whim in Persona 4 Golden, all the satisfaction was gone.

Well, there's nothing stopping them from putting more strictures on skill inheritance.

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*stabs ice pick through ear*

 

[buddha0991]

Perhaps someone should have asked about the possibility of Persona 3DS at the Q&A for SMT4. At least then we would have had something to talk about in this thread.

le persona face whats a smt

 

[TurnipFritters]

Well, there's nothing stopping them from putting more strictures on skill inheritance.

So far it looks like demons have a varying numbers of skill slots available (in the latest fusion videos, Azazel has like four slots while Suzaku has five, but the interface leaves room for at least eight skills), so it definitely appears that there are limitation in place to keep you from REPEL ALL MEGIDOLAON VICTORY CRY or whatever it is people like to put together.

 

[Man God]

It's the worst kind of effort, though. It's literally grinding. The interesting part of complex demon fusion comes from having particularly rare skills and then having to map out the chain of inheritance that'll allow you to combine them on your target demon. If the demon family design is done well, that's still going to be interesting and challenging, it just won't take endless XOXOXO to produce a result that you already know is possible.

Also, I mean, I've seen people online take an hour XOing for various things, but in my experience it was usually more like a couple minutes for the combinations I was making. I made an all-element-null and an all-element-attack Persona in P4. Each one probably took twenty minutes total -- five to plan out inheritance, fifteen minutes doing XOXOXO on about six or seven different demons. I don't think it'd be less satisfying to spend seven minutes on each instead.

The other two major monster raising games still active, Pokémon and DQM, both do this far better though Pokémon still has a slight layer of variance when it comes to certain things though there are now methods to further control even those and more are added each generation.

 

[Soriku]

So far it looks like demons have a varying numbers of skill slots available (in the latest fusion videos, Azazel has like four slots while Suzaku has five, but the interface leaves room for at least eight skills), so it definitely appears that there are limitation in place to keep you from REPEL ALL MEGIDOLAON VICTORY CRY or whatever it is people like to put together.

Really? Hmm.

Well, by the time someone can actually make that skill set you listed there'll probably be high-end demons that can have 6-8 skills.

 

[Sleepy]

Perhaps someone should have asked about the possibility of Persona 3DS at the Q&A for SMT4. At least then we would have had something to talk about in this thread.

LOL I really didn't mean to derail the thread. I swear! And yes, I understand that they all fall under SMT.