No one is asking them to scrap portable Pokemon.
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Should Nintendo Make a 3D Pokemon Game for Wii U?
- Thread starter Bombadil
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No one is asking them to scrap portable Pokemon.
No, but by putting a main series game on the home console, it ceases to be the developer's vision of the franchise. It loses many of the important aspects of the franchise.
Carpe Libertatem
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Spinoffs in what way? Games like Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, etc are spinoffs. Colosseum and XD had the same type of gameplay the handheld games have, with a couple added gimmicks.
Are you saying you just want to play Pokemon X and Y on your TV?
No it doesn't. It loses one aspect. It doesn't really lose it, either. You can still interact with people online.
The developer is wrong in this case. His vision is shortsighted because he focuses on Japan.
Isn't Colosseum just a game where you battle Pokemon in an arena?
They deviated from the main series in tone, story etc. They weren't developed by GameFreak. Even the official site puts them in the spin-off category
Official list of main, what they call "Pocket Monsters Series" games: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game-series/title/ (B2W2 is listed on the home page)
Official list of what they call "Other" games: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game-other/title/ (Rumble U, Dungeon, Dream Radar and Pokédex 3D Pro are listed on the home page)
Personally, I separate them into three categories
Main Series (The games by GameFreak)
Side-Series (Games not made by GameFreak but have connectivity to and have mechanics based on the Main Series such as Stadium, Colosseum, Pokédex 3D Pro etc.)
Spin-Offs (Says it all)
It loses the most major aspect of the games in the view of the developer, and based on sales of the game, they're right.
its in the name with the pocket monsters. basically gamefreak has "the vision" where they want to restrict the game pokemon into being only a social phenomenon. they want you to need to meet up with people in real life and need to engage with each other (viral market) to further your progress. they could cave and put that experience onto home consoles and it'd probably sell a lot for a short while but then it would harm their vision and when pokemon becomes a private thing they'll lose out on that viral money.
however trying to maintain the series as a social phenomenon is also very risky and lowers the franchise potential, so they definitely need a pokeman console game too. it just can't risk cannibalizing their current handheld games, so a straight up port will probably not work. i think that over time, a straight port to home consoles may become a smarter idea if people do decide to move away from dedicated handhelds, but even with the kinda low 3DS numbers i doubt they've hit that area yet.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Right, I agree with this. I just took issue with Bombadil's classification of Colosseum and XD as "spinoffs" when they aren't.
Colosseum and XD are full fledged RPGs (though with differences than the mainline handheld games)
The reason I don't consider Colosseum and XD as main games, other than them not being by GameFreak, is the fact that they're so incredibly linear and are so unbelievably narrow in Pokémon choices
3DS numbers are not low...33 million in 2 years is fantastic
That is excellent news. Standardizing models like that will likely mean a quicker rollout of these games, and a consistent look to the pokemon. I just hope they don't screw up the Wii U game like they did with PBR. Sweet lord was that game riddled with problems.
Yeah, I really like that clean cartoon-like look they have on Noivern in that image. It really suits pokemon creature design and the series' aesthetic.
Right, but the resources needed to recreate a mainline Pokemon game on Wii U would be better spent elsewhere. There are simply some games that work better on consoles and some that work better on portables.
Rising_Hei
Member
Nintendo don't have the guts to make a project as big and as awesome as this.
I dreamed with a game like this since i was a teen, but it never happened and it hardly will
I dreamed with a game like this since i was a teen, but it never happened and it hardly will
i just mean in NA and only in a situation where the 3DS doesn't turn around this year after Zelda/DK/AC/Pokemon/price drop and continues to get worse. i could see the series maintaining the handheld nature over in Japan but i think it'd be more at risk over here where we have a lot of territory. they may need the combined total of nintendo handheld + consoles in order to keep even a small fraction of that vision of trading and battling alive.
The 3DS isn't doing badly in the west, either. It's doing good. Not amazing, but good. When Pokémon comes out, then it'll do amazing. It also doesn't need another price drop.
Look at what Animal Crossing did. It boosted 3DS sales a fair bit in NA
In my opinion, ideally the traditionally 3rd game (like Emerald and Platinum) would be a good fit for a home console version of the series, a slightly enhanced version of the portable games released like a year or more later.
The portable games, with those being released first, they would keep their importance, while the enhanced console version would be nice for the home console users to not be left out, I think.
This, of course, is never going to happen though.
The portable games, with those being released first, they would keep their importance, while the enhanced console version would be nice for the home console users to not be left out, I think.
This, of course, is never going to happen though.
And because of a good reason.
JoeM86 is right, the main target audience is kids/newcomers, and that will be weighed with most of GF's decisions. On the other hand, it's a 15 year old franchise that started off as a fad so you have this bubbling mass of fans who've been their since the beginning but are now seeing the franchise for how stale and safe it's become. A "big budget" Pokemon game for a console isn't really a smart thing for GF to do, something we should expect them to do, or even necessarily the logical "next step" for the franchise. It's more of a desperate cry of older or now disinterested fans for the franchise to make itself "exciting" again.
Many people have been clamouring for a full 3D RPG as their desire for the home console game. We now have that. In running of my site, I have seen countless new people come in and say they went off Pokémon, but are now back in now that it has gone totally 3D.
The battle animations are brilliant, too
It's bringing people back, they're changing a lot in it, too. It's no longer "safe"
What if there was more to the franchise than just Pokemon?
What if they added another dimension?
I always liked Team Rocket because I felt they had the potential to be a truly evil syndicate rather than a group of clumsy characters.
Are there any main bad guys in the newer Pokemon games? Do Pokemon still only faint or do they die now?
Another problem I have with the games is that all anyone really talks about is Pokemon. Don't people haven anything better to do? There needs to be more depth to the series. Have other motives and other things to discover and explore.
What if they added another dimension?
I always liked Team Rocket because I felt they had the potential to be a truly evil syndicate rather than a group of clumsy characters.
Are there any main bad guys in the newer Pokemon games? Do Pokemon still only faint or do they die now?
Another problem I have with the games is that all anyone really talks about is Pokemon. Don't people haven anything better to do? There needs to be more depth to the series. Have other motives and other things to discover and explore.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
I'm waiting for this since the N64. Nintendo portables are no longer dependent over the Pokémon franchise to become succesful and current tech allow everything portable machines could do, which was Nintendo's excuse to keep Pokémon a portable only franchise.
Battle between players? Welcome to the online network, Nintendo!
Exchange of Pokémon? Account system can easily do that.
This "portable only" talk had somewhat of a sense before online network wasn't avaliable for home console, now with the current tech Nintendo no longer hold a significant excuse to avoid a 3D Pokémon for their home consoles.
Battle between players? Welcome to the online network, Nintendo!
Exchange of Pokémon? Account system can easily do that.
This "portable only" talk had somewhat of a sense before online network wasn't avaliable for home console, now with the current tech Nintendo no longer hold a significant excuse to avoid a 3D Pokémon for their home consoles.
Well I don't know. I'd do that too if Pokemon were real :/
Let's not go that far. Mainline Pokemon is nothing if not safe.
Because of Stadium in 2000, Snap, and even the Gamecube RPGs, to an extent we've already seen how 3D Pokemon could/should look. Even Gen 4/5 have shown us a glimpse of this, although at a smaller scale. For that reason, the leap that gen 6 could've been has been somewhat mitigated by a looming notion that mainline Pokemon is finally catching up to the N64.
Online battles in Pokémon have existed since 2006 on portable devices, as have online trades.
It's portable for the social aspects. Again, people seem to fail to realise just how big the social aspect is, especially in Japan.
Be fair, this is beyond what the N64 was capable of
The only Pokemon games that'll probably hit the WiiU are a Stadium-like game (Which will be greatly appreciated), Rumble U, and maybe an Explorer or Ranger game.
I still want a Pokemon Snap though...
This is the first time I've seen this. GLORIOUS!
I still want a Pokemon Snap though...
The battle animations are brilliant, too
This is the first time I've seen this. GLORIOUS!
No, I think you'd get over it. Money still makes the world go round in Pokemon.
What if you could get a job in the game?
Obviously, we need to make sure it doesn't become too much like Skyrim, but it would be nice to incorporate more modern RPG elements into the series.
Is Gamefreak trying to get more people in Japan to socialize so they'll procreate?
The target audience is kids.
Lord Azrael
Member
GameFreak are just now heading into full 3D development and you already want them to launch full throttle into HD home console development? We may eventually get a mainline Pokemon title on a home console, but I don't see that happening until Nintendo heavily integrates their handhelds with their home consoles (if they do at all).
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Yes, in every single game with different objectives in each.
Still faint. Do you seriously want Pokemon to die in battle?
It's a game for kids and the entire game is based around Pokemon. What do you want NPCs to say instead?
It's no longer Pokemon then. You want Pokemon to become something it isn't.
Pokémon did expand its story. Black & White was very narrative focused compared to past games. Gameplay also gets expanded with each iteration
ProtomanNeo
Member
Has Nintendo ever officially made a statement concerning their reluctance to do a Pokemon rpg or mmo on a home console? Or is their silence meant to be their answer?
Exterminieren
Banned
Why on Earth would they need a statement? Their strategy is completely logical and self-explanatory, no matter how much you want an MMO or whatever.
Of course, there is a bad guy in other games.
For the second question, are you asking if you can kill other people's Pokemon? You can't and it would be really weird if you could.
Exterminieren
Banned
I think Nintendo should put out a press release explaining why we don't have Wii Sports on 3DS, guys.
ProtomanNeo
Member
Let me rephrase. Given how popular this sentiment seems to be. Has a journalist ever directly questioned Nintendo about this, prompting a response.
Exterminieren
Banned
They've made their feelings for Pokémon best suiting handheld portable play and local multiplayer repeatedly.
Even beyond that, it's Game Freak's baby, and they have absolutely no applicable experience for big console development.
MrMephistoX
Member
It's made perfect sense for nearly 15 years when they released Pokemon Stadium on N64: I have no hope until Nintendo goes handheld TV console hybrid.