WrenchNinja
Member
Forty minutes in, wow, these games are more fucked than I thought.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Silent Hill HD worse than imagined
- Thread starter alr1ght
- Start date
i'm in part 2, mind is being blown.
I'm not at all excusing it. It's a trainwreck of legendary proportions. My only expertise with the "reverse engineering" method is the BluePoint quote they provided in the video. Ico/Sotc, MGS HD, and God of War all had really good HD Collections as far as I know.
I'll just add that this video made me a little more patient about waiting for Final Fantasy X HD Remix .... hehe ...
Agreed, although just goes to show how much konami cares giving the incomplete code to the developer to work with.
Probably Hijinx didn't even know they weren't given the complete final code after they had already started the porting job. And how is it possible that konami didn't have the final code for the game??
The HDD were it was got burned? or some team silent member took it?, i mean wtf...Again Konami didn't give a fuck about this collection, the same way they feel about Silent Hill in general i guess.
wandering goat
Member
I knew these ports were bad and to be avoided at all costs, but watching these videos. . . wow. . . WOW. . . Some of the things in this video it's hard to believe are even real.
Japanese developers are actually very notorious for being awful at archiving stuff.
Jawmuncher
Member
I'll have to give this a watch.
I love stuff like this.
I love stuff like this.
I felt that way when I saw them complaining about the SH3 slow motion performance. How could something like that have made it into the release version? Is that consistent throughout the entire game or just a small segment?
BrodiemanTTR
Member
Mr. Enigma
Member
He posted a little bit in the HD thread right after release to defend the script changes in SH3 when people called him out on it, but bailed quickly once people started discovering more and more just how bad the game was.
legacyzero
Banned
Do they mean Pre-Patch release?
Huh? These aren't pre-release screenshots. I know cuz I made that image from youtube videos of people playing the games
Otherwise, I was thinking the same thing.
GoofsterStud
Member
This got a 9.0 on IGN. Don't let these video's fool you, this game is elite! Trust IGN!
vagabondarts
Member
The graphical stuff is bad. The voiceover stuff? Opinion.
I'm sorry, the original games were not hallmarks of voice acting either.
Having worked on a few nightmare projects in my day, I can say that sometimes no matter how hard you and your team work to resolve something and do your best, it ends up falling apart and having to be shipped anyway.
It happens sometimes. I don't know anybody that intentionally sets out to make bad products.
Should it have been cancelled early on? Probably.
*shrugs* Hopefully they will do better next time.
I'm sorry, the original games were not hallmarks of voice acting either.
Having worked on a few nightmare projects in my day, I can say that sometimes no matter how hard you and your team work to resolve something and do your best, it ends up falling apart and having to be shipped anyway.
It happens sometimes. I don't know anybody that intentionally sets out to make bad products.
Should it have been cancelled early on? Probably.
*shrugs* Hopefully they will do better next time.
No, later they say "pre-release" verbally, too. And they refer to other screenshots I made as pre-release. Maybe they thought they were pre-release because some people got the game like a day early?
dragonlife
Member
This video has been awesome. Thanks for sharing. It's really, really fascinating. I'm about to start part 2.
Butler guy is cute
Phonomezer
Banned
I haven't even played SH2 or 3 and, wow, the ports are a complete fuck up.
There isn't going to be a next time for a SH collection.
The HD collection prematurely ejaculated and now nobody wants to sleep with it.
The re-done voices just sound unnatural.
vagabondarts
Member
obviously.
Other than the recasting of the little girl neither did the original voices
It's indeed very well done!
Never say never for a future collection. The first three Silent Hills are held in high esteem and the franchise is still making money. I can see Konami giving a Silent Hill collection another chance in another 1-2 console generations. Maybe next time it'll be downloadable only and 1080p.
PezDispenser
Banned
I absolutely can not stand these guys
Jawmuncher
Member
This.
Hell maybe even throw Origins in there and Shattered Memories.
Just have one big ol collection of games.
Eaten By A Grue
Member
I wish he was still on here so I could ask for my money back for the Xbox 360 version. I have learned an important lesson though. Never buy a HD port from Konami ever again, they are a joke. Also wait for reviews for other companies' HD remakes.
Silent Hill 4K Collection
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
I dunno. Maybe I'm just not an intense enough Silent Hill fan, but look, I count SH 1-3 among my favorite horror experiences of all time, and I realize that there's lots of stuff wrong with the HD Collection. (I don't own it, BTW.) But a great many of the things these guys break down and complain about seems really... superfluous to me. Stuff like certain sounds playing at the wrong speed; yeah, okay, maybe they are, but those sounds are no less creepy to me at their new speeds.
I dunno, I just think these guys or trying a little too hard here. I'm not denying that the HD Collection has problems or isn't worth buying, I just think this is a little much.
I dunno, I just think these guys or trying a little too hard here. I'm not denying that the HD Collection has problems or isn't worth buying, I just think this is a little much.
vagabondarts
Member
agree
No this is normal. This is supposed to be a HD Remastering of a classic.
Check out a Blu-ray at AVS Forum. Just like this.
As an artist I would be severely pissed if a bunch of noobs crapped all over my hard work.
Wow. I knew that the ports are bad, but I didn't know they are this bad.
I haven't watched through the whole thing yet, only skipped to some parts. The slow-mo scene with Heather running around sewers or town - how the hell did that even get through the testing phase? And the DOF during the scene with Heather and Douglas in the amusement park is hilarious, it's all over the place. One moment everything (both Heather and Douglas) is blurred, next time the person who do not speak at the time is unblurred... What a mess. I feel sorry for anyone who experienced those amazing games for the first time through HD Collection.
I haven't watched through the whole thing yet, only skipped to some parts. The slow-mo scene with Heather running around sewers or town - how the hell did that even get through the testing phase? And the DOF during the scene with Heather and Douglas in the amusement park is hilarious, it's all over the place. One moment everything (both Heather and Douglas) is blurred, next time the person who do not speak at the time is unblurred... What a mess. I feel sorry for anyone who experienced those amazing games for the first time through HD Collection.
Ventilaator
Banned
Watched the video and then just had to check out what the professional criticism scene thought of it.
Night_Trekker
Member
Wow. Not sure what else to say.
The guys who did the port should never work in the industry again. Or, like, they should be banished to budget software.
No. Don't put those games on the same disc as 2-4. It just feels wrong.
Are you telling me IGN doesn't always play the games they review? SHOCKING.
The guys who did the port should never work in the industry again. Or, like, they should be banished to budget software.
No. Don't put those games on the same disc as 2-4. It just feels wrong.
Watched the video and then just had to check out what the professional criticism scene thought of it.
Are you telling me IGN doesn't always play the games they review? SHOCKING.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
I only knew about some of the stuff they covered in part 1, and now i'm feeling that seething frustration building up inside me again. It's no exaggeration that Silent Hill 2 and 3 probably rank on my top games of ever, and that seeing them treated with such massive disrespect and laziness makes me not want to travel further and see what else they have to show me.
I'm going to hug my original copies of the Silent Hills and dig in for the second video.
Fuck this collection.
I'm going to hug my original copies of the Silent Hills and dig in for the second video.
Fuck this collection.
kunonabi
Member
The problem with the new voices is not subjective. They missed the point of who those characters and how took them in a direction that clashes with how the story and the messages that the the games were trying to portray. Heather's phone call at the beginning of SH3 takes on an entirely different tone that clashes with her character and the father/daughter relationship that is the crux of the game. All of that is thrown down the shitter because Hulett wanted to appeal to the Halo crowd. His words not mine.
Watched the video and then just had to check out what the professional criticism scene thought of it.
Ugh
Watched the video and then just had to check out what the professional criticism scene thought of it.
Presentation a 10? Bwahahahahaha ... I can understand not knowing about the changes to the audio, and visual effects but how in the world do you not notice the slowdown as well as the other terrible technical qualities of the game?
GoofsterStud
Member
That fog was the shit! The original had nothing on it! Also the ropes ropes, etc...that vanish in midair and are just magically floating added to the atmosphere.
Trust in IGN.
Note: I actually bought the game off of IGN's review :-(
Watched the video and then just had to check out what the professional criticism scene thought of it.
Hahaha, don't trust the reviewer personally after he reviewed Papo & Yo.
Necromanti
Member
I'd say that review makes it pretty obvious that the reviewer did not spend a significant amount of time with the game.
From the review it sounds like he popped in the game, saw that it booted to the title screen, and posted the review that he had written weeks in advance.
These guys present the stuff in an obnoxious way, but so far I'm 30 minutes into the first video (taking a break for Daily Show) and the only really nitpicky thing they've discussed was the road sign on the tunnel and even they admitted that maybe the numbers needed to be updated. A lot of these issues are glaring and obvious and it's astonishing that the game was released in this state. It just shows that Konami has no reverence for the franchise. This video has revealed some things I didn't know about since I never looked at the HD ports beyond the first few weeks where we tore it apart, like the letterboxing problems and DoF issues.
When buying HD collections, look for that "Bluepoint" seal of quality.
Typographenia
Member
Oh, good. I wasn't sure if they were actually going to do a video over these games since they were so adamant about telling everyone not to purchase them and "VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET." I suppose their asking fans to purchase it for them worked out after all. I'll be curious to see if they bought them the Vitas they were asking for as well.
Yup. Those were the problems I heard people talking about. I'm honestly surprised one would be able to notice a lot of the smaller background things in audio and so forth. I wonder if much of that was done by direct comparisons for every location, scene, and such or if that was purely from memory?
Dang, I forgot how annoying their presentation method is.
edit:
Yup. Those were the problems I heard people talking about. I'm honestly surprised one would be able to notice a lot of the smaller background things in audio and so forth. I wonder if much of that was done by direct comparisons for every location, scene, and such or if that was purely from memory?
Dang, I forgot how annoying their presentation method is.
lol at them calling people who were initially looking forward to the HD collection for a chance to play some games they had never played before as "wrong."
Trophies are no reason to play a game again. Time to put MGS4 back on the shelf for good.
Trophies are no reason to play a game again. Time to put MGS4 back on the shelf for good.
edit:
But I thought most people tended to praise things such as the SH2 performances for sounding unnatural in the first place?
Cave Johnson
Member
I don't think the voice acting was INTENDED to have the quality of a grade A actor behind it. Guy Cihi himself said that Team Silent was looking for the person that FITS the character in order for the players to relate to him. Great voice acting would have easily ruined the entire atmosphere simply because the main focus of the game is the town itself. The characters are merely progressive set-pieces that stimulate the events that stimulates how that particular Silent Hill theme is revealed. And for that to happen, they try to find characters that act like what they would do if they were in that particular situation and not because they're trying to personify a character to the extent of winning an Academy Award.