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Silent Hill HD worse than imagined

Watched the first part and thought it was great. Watched the second part and thought it was nitpicking at its best, until I got to the part "Who shot first, han or greedo?".

You're fucking crazy if you think Greedo shot first.

After that, altho I'm not that much of a silent hill fan, I understood their point. Well done.
 
It's a shame the guys in the video are so obnoxious and unfunny, because it otherwise does a great job of highlighting what a complete mess the HD Collection is. I didn't really have any idea what had gone on behind the scenes prior to watching these, as I'm not a Silent Hill fan, but it seems like the whole thing was destined to be a massive clusterfuck from day zero, and moreover that everyone involved with the project knew that. I guess the lure of raking in some money for old rope was too tempting to just shelve it.

I've definetly known people like Tomm Hulett though. Having just taken a look at his blog, he seems to have resorted to openly trolling the Silent Hill fanbase in an attempt to protect his bruised ego. It's a shame someone like that holds so much sway over something so many people love.
 
Just watched the first part. Absolutely amazing. Makes me want to give the proper games a shot on the PC or dig up a PS2.
 
But that's not what Hulett said though.
That said, they were on par with Resident Evil's zombies and the sort.

i don't know what he originally said, i just saw the list posted here and presumed 'stupid' to mean 'dense' not 'poorly conceived'. if he was criticising their designs, then yeah, i don't agree with that.

Resident Evil is a PSX game. SH2 is not. SH1 had a more interesting cast of regular enemies.

the good stuff about SH2 outweighs things like the terrible combat in SH2 to the point where some people get overly snippy whenever it gets mentioned, but if we're just talking GAMEPLAY i don't think it's really controversial to say SH1 = SH3 > SH2. again, i stress the word GAMEPLAY.
 
I dunno. Maybe I'm just not an intense enough Silent Hill fan, but look, I count SH 1-3 among my favorite horror experiences of all time, and I realize that there's lots of stuff wrong with the HD Collection. (I don't own it, BTW.) But a great many of the things these guys break down and complain about seems really... superfluous to me. Stuff like certain sounds playing at the wrong speed; yeah, okay, maybe they are, but those sounds are no less creepy to me at their new speeds.

I dunno, I just think these guys or trying a little too hard here. I'm not denying that the HD Collection has problems or isn't worth buying, I just think this is a little much.

I do think they tried to analyze all the differences between the HD collection and the PC version, which were indeed upgraded portings of the original ones. And therefore, once they examined, for example, graphics, they said everything went wrong about... Everything, like fogs or textures, as well as they did for the sound; so, among surprising stuffs, they cited also stuffs that may seem not relevant, but they are different, and for no reasons.
 
I only had time to watch up to where they talk about Harry being completely visible in SH3. Holy crap, how did they not realize how bad of a decision that was? O_O
 
So let's see, Silent Hill 2 is broken on PS2 BC and 360 BC, and the HD Collection is bad. So it's either hunt down the PC version (which isn't cheap at all) or play a PS2 copy on a PS2. This is just sad.
 
I've read before that it was bad, and didn't care really. But watching these videos and actually seeing what they done to it in person made me angry. I don't know if 'angry' is the right word for what I'm feeling. But it's a combination of anger, frustration and sadness.
 
So let's see, Silent Hill 2 is broken on PS2 BC and 360 BC, and the HD Collection is bad. So it's either hunt down the PC version (which isn't cheap at all) or play a PS2 copy on a PS2. This is just sad.


The nasty part... No progressive scan mode for SH2/SH3 on PS2...:(

LCD HDTV owners am cry.
 
The nasty part... No progressive scan mode for SH2/SH3 on PS2...:(

LCD HDTV owners am cry.

Yep. I'm glad I got the Xbox version back in the day instead of the PS2 version. SH2 on my 42'' HDTV looks great in 480p on the original Xbox with component cables. Can't imagine how gorgeous it would look on a tube TV with components though.

The only thing about SH3 that throws me off when I play it on my HDTV is the warped subtitle text.
 
HEY GUYS, IN OTHER (BETTER) SILENT HILL NEWS!

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ARE YOU PREPARED FOR A 3D RIDE THROUGH HELL!?
 
So let's see, Silent Hill 2 is broken on PS2 BC and 360 BC, and the HD Collection is bad. So it's either hunt down the PC version (which isn't cheap at all) or play a PS2 copy on a PS2. This is just sad.

I bought the PC version of SH2 late last year for 3 bucks :smug
 
Very much enjoyed the videos. Lots of fully informed points and quite a lot on interesting insight and research, Tomm Hulett seems like a right dick.
 
Wait, Pyramidhead is in the new Silent Hill movie, too? Which game is it based on? They're even more clueless than the devs of the later games including him where it makes no sense.
 
Wait, Pyramidhead is in the new Silent Hill movie, too? Which game is it based on? They're even more clueless than the devs of the later games including him where it makes no sense.
to be fair, the trailer made it seem like this new one is more in line with the games. sort of.

i guess.




god the first one is so bad.
 
The new Silent Hill movie looks fucking awful, like a C-movie made on a budget consisting of shoestring and bubblegum wrappers.

Which means it'll still have a higher budget than Konami ever gave the HD Collection.
 
Excellent videos. Their comedy is grating at times but I thought they were very well edited and excellent breakdowns.



They should make Pyramid Head cute too and turn it into a romantic comedy

lmao

to be fair, the trailer made it seem like this new one is more in line with the games. sort of.

i guess.




god the first one is so bad.

Valitel is rumored to be in the movie too...
 
So let's see, Silent Hill 2 is broken on PS2 BC and 360 BC, and the HD Collection is bad. So it's either hunt down the PC version (which isn't cheap at all) or play a PS2 copy on a PS2. This is just sad.

Or find an original xbox and play it on there.
 
So let's see, Silent Hill 2 is broken on PS2 BC and 360 BC, and the HD Collection is bad. So it's either hunt down the PC version (which isn't cheap at all) or play a PS2 copy on a PS2. This is just sad.

I'm playing through SH2 on PS3 with software ps2 emu and it's fine. Yeah it has gfx clipping sometimes but it's so weird it kinda fits the game.
 
Having watched through the two videos, all I'm left feeling is rage, no other way to describe it really....


The icing on this shit cake would have been to see a copy of the new script and what changes they wanted in detail just to see what sort of crazy, asinine things would be in it, though to be honest I dunno if I could have been ready to handle that.


Konami might be all about MGS these days(a series I love) and they are taking care of it(love Bluepoint for the HD collection) but they really need to take care of their other IP's especially the Silent Hill one but I guess that's their choice, and I'm glad the "other" Konami HD collection coming out this year(ZOE HD) isn't gonna get treated like SH did.
 
That new SH movie is really weird (the trailer that is). At some points it shows scenes of SH3 replicated 1:1 and at points it throws that all away and does the whole PH/Silent Hill Movie 1 dumbness in.

It funny how it seems to be a direct sequel to the first movie (ala SH1 -> 3) but not quite.
 
Man, they spent so much time getting all the details just right.

Just to be shit on. I can't imagine how that feels.




I haven't watched those Making of Silent Hill 2 and 3 videos in years, time to go do that.
 
Man, they spent so much time getting all the details just right.

Just to be shit on. I can't imagine how that feels.

But that's precisely what's so bizarre about it. They claim to love the series and spent two years porting it, while making egregious, obviously poor changes to it. And then stuff like Maria's eyeball having a teeth texture which is just obvious.
 
I know, those Ito tweets were so depressing...

Those tweets are barely scratching the surface on how he feels inside. As an artist myself, I would be truly pissed. What Konami of Japan did to his games in this collection was a sign of disrespect.

Hideo Kojima would not allow this. But he's not at his position to make that difference.
 
Those tweets are barely scratching the surface on how he feels inside. As an artist myself, I would be truly pissed. What Konami of Japan did to his games in this collection was a sign of disrespect.

Hideo Kojima would not allow this. But he's not at his position to make that difference.
Good thing he's hinting at bringing SH back to Japan with the new Fox Engine.

Kojipro doing a Silent Hill game?? I'd hit that.

Did Akira Yamaoka weigh in at all in this situation?
Dont really think he cares now. Besides, Yamaoka didn't help make this any better, according to Twin Perfect research.

That's discussed the TRSHE series that did.
 
So I decided to just buy a used copy of the game from amazon. It'll be my first play through of the game. Putting the shitty HD collection on the shelf
 
I see silent hill as the 'Old Yeller' of video games now, it's more fargone than most other long running series in its descent into shittyness and should just be taken around back to put a bullet through its head
 
So I decided to just buy a used copy of the game from amazon. It'll be my first play through of the game. Putting the shitty HD collection on the shelf

You made a good choice. Having played the games on PC recently with the FOV and resolution mods, it's GLORIOUS.
 
I don't want KojiPro doing Silent Hill. I don't want anyone doing Silent Hill. The whole point of SH was that it was that team working on it. They had a specific sensibility and they created certain kinds of games.
 
I don't want KojiPro doing Silent Hill. I don't want anyone doing Silent Hill. The whole point of SH was that it was that team working on it. They had a specific sensibility and they created certain kinds of games.
That team wasn't consistent anyway, it's not like Team Ico where it's Ueda and the guys around him, the director of SH1 didn't even work on the others.

They could get a few of those old staffers together, and in conjunction with KojiPro make another Silent Hill. It seems like the best possible outcome for the franchise at this point.
 
That team wasn't consistent anyway, it's not like Team Ico where it's Ueda and the guys around him, the director of SH1 didn't even work on the others.

Of course it wasn't completely consistent, but there was still lots of people overlapping project from project and even if they weren't there from the very beginning, had a great understanding of SH from people who were or had worked with it for a long time, unlike some of the later dev studios.
 
That team wasn't consistent anyway, it's not like Team Ico where it's Ueda and the guys around him, the director of SH1 didn't even work on the others.

They could get a few of those old staffers together, and in conjunction with KojiPro make another Silent Hill. It seems like the best possible outcome for the franchise at this point.

There was still some overlap though, right? I thought Ito did the art for 2 and 3 and Yamaoka took over directing for 3 too?
 
You made a good choice. Having played the games on PC recently with the FOV and resolution mods, it's GLORIOUS.

yeah, i dont have a PC so I had to go with the ps2 version

Can anyone tell me about the 3rd and 4th games, which console is best for those??? I still have an original xbox as well so I can go with ps2 or xbox
 
yeah, i dont have a PC so I had to go with the ps2 version

Can anyone tell me about the 3rd and 4th games, which console is best for those??? I still have an original xbox as well so I can go with ps2 or xbox

3 is only on PS2 and PC so you'll have to go with PS2 for that. I've no idea about 4 but I would guess that Xbox is the bertter version.
 
i don't know what he originally said, i just saw the list posted here and presumed 'stupid' to mean 'dense' not 'poorly conceived'. if he was criticising their designs, then yeah, i don't agree with that.

Resident Evil is a PSX game. SH2 is not. SH1 had a more interesting cast of regular enemies.

the good stuff about SH2 outweighs things like the terrible combat in SH2 to the point where some people get overly snippy whenever it gets mentioned, but if we're just talking GAMEPLAY i don't think it's really controversial to say SH1 = SH3 > SH2. again, i stress the word GAMEPLAY.

He said something like "they're not threatening at all after the first WTF moment", which i think is bullshit, if you play at a decent difficulty.. playing SH1 on hard for example with very limited ammo and dying in few hits, was extremely tense for me.
Of course when you know the game backwards and front, that tension will dissipate, but that's just how it works.

That said, i think the gameplay and controls (especially in 2, 3 was alright) aged badly, but i don't think the monsters are particularly bad to face/interact with, they change if you have the light and radio off and weird shapes and animations made them kind of impredictable.
Not that i think they're amazing as far as AI goes, but i also can't think of many games of the genre with much better monsters, not until RE4 changed the game.

Of course, combat was never a big focus on SH games, so not a big problem there.
Again, i never thought SH2 (or any SH) was a perfect game, even though it's my favorite one, but i think the problem in its gameplay it's not much in the monsters, as much as it is in the very base of its gameplay that relies too much on the old survival horror tropes.
 
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