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[M-PG71C]

California can't secede without war.

And we're done.

 

[Kimawolf]

I'm fine with this as long as Colorado shuts off California's water supply.

when take your ball and go home? fine. No water for you

different country, different constitution.

Quebec's situation changed demographically and ideolgocially in the last 21 years. It is now demographically near impossible for Quebec to separate with its current make up.

+Justin's approval ratings in that province is high, including with Francophones

If Congress and the majority of states agree you can leave. It's written in the constitution to allow it. now rather they'd agree is another thing entirely.

 

[Lenz44]

The last time this happened, we had a civil war. Fuck off with "wonderful". If you want a taste of civil war, go to Syria.

Don't get so precious about a dumb fantasy, we're fantasizing about it being a peaceful transition too.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

California leaves and then Dems will NEVER win an election again since 55 votes go bye-bye. Solid idea

 

[Toxi]

California leaves and then Dems will NEVER win an election again since 55 votes go bye-bye. Solid idea

I mean, I doubt any of the people in California would care about US politics going down the shitter if they actually wanted to leave. By doing so they would already fuck up the US economy.

 

[Ryzaki009]

California leaves and then Dems will NEVER win an election again since 55 votes go bye-bye. Solid idea

To be fair in this scenario it's highly likely the rest of the dem states would leave soon after.

 

[yanipheonu]

California leaves and then Dems will NEVER win an election again since 55 votes go bye-bye. Solid idea

I mean, losing a huge state would likely necessitate redoing the electoral college.
Enforced electoral reform perhaps.

 

[Ferrio]

I mean, losing a huge state would likely necessitate redoing the electoral college.
Enforced electoral reform perhaps.

Loophole to change the current system? Hrmm

 

[MC Safety]

Harry Turtledove really needs to get on this. I'd read that book.

He's done it already.

The United States conquers the South after World War II.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

So if this wonderful thing actually happened, where would the capital be (of pacifica)? I'm curious what that would look like.

Vegas Baby (Formerly known as Las Vegas)

 

[Lenz44]

Vegas Baby (Formerly known as Las Vegas)

As long as we get to call someone "Mr. House"

 

[Beefsquid]

I mean, I doubt any of the people in California would care about US politics going down the shitter if they actually wanted to leave. By doing so they would already fuck up the US economy.

Chances are after a few rounds of straight Republican rule, they'll just invade and take it back anyways.

 

[iamblades]

It is becoming increasingly apparent that the US is becoming more and more ungovernable by the day due to the enormous cultural, economic and political differences between the various regions, but the solution this is to re-embrace federalism and state's rights, not secession.

 

[hunnies28]

Would you guys mind taking Tijuana with you? We got hookers and blow. Also, tacos.

 

[Imperfected]

The US government would use military force if necessary. So yes, there would be a Civil War 2 before California is let go.

The only way the use of force would even remotely be on the table is if the federal government's grasp on modern warfare is as stunningly shallow as what's been on display repeatedly in this thread.

... So, yes, there's a very high chance there would be a use of force. (But for the record, it's insanely impractical and simply would not work. You cannot control an area that large with that many [potentially armed] people with a hundred thousand infantry. The modern US military is not built to handle this scenario on any conceivable level, even if you take the rather huge assumption that the full force of that military plays along with the gambit rather than refusing the order or making a coup play outright.

The methodology to stop something like this is political and economic. The military solution is no longer applicable.

 

[Parch]

The only way the use of force would even remotely be on the table is if the federal government's grasp on modern warfare is as stunningly shallow as what's been on display repeatedly in this thread.

... So, yes, there's a very high chance there would be a use of force. (But for the record, it's insanely impractical and simply would not work. You cannot control an area that large with that many [potentially armed] people with a hundred thousand infantry. The modern US military is not built to handle this scenario on any conceivable level, even if you take the rather huge assumption that the full force of that military plays along with the gambit rather than refusing the order or making a coup play outright.

The methodology to stop something like this is political and economic. The military solution is no longer applicable.

If all they want to do is secede then they're not an threat to anybody else in the US. The economic impact is obvious, but they're not declaring war.
Asking the US military to fire on Americans is asking a lot. There certainly would not be widespread support for military action.

 

[Raven117]

Just like when Texas wanted to leave after Obamas win.

My very first thought. (And I'm Texan)

 

[mango drank]

Cali (and the whole west coast) seceding would be like someone in a bad marriage getting a divorce from their spouse, but instead of leaving, they'd continue to sleep in the same bedroom every night, in separate twin beds, with a hospital curtain in between.

It's probably been mentioned already, but Cali would still have to deal with fallout (maybe literal fallout) from a Trump presidency over the Old USA: global warming (yuge effect on Cali), unfriendly trade deals, and the possibility of a heavily militarized near-future Old USA invading New California and annexing it anyway, with Putin leading the charge.

 

[KonradLaw]

Yeah..wealthy silicon valley idiots. Go and start Civil War II. Perfect way to show that there are people in USA even less reasonable than worst Trump supporters.

 

[Foffy]

Maybe they want to secede because they know what they're doing in Silicon Valley is going to murder Trump's job program?

He'll sick the blame game on Californians.

"THE LIBERALS KILLED YOUR JOBS"

 

[Terrell]

While I can't speak for the entirety of my nation, I believe California would have Canada's full support in this matter.

Cali (and the whole west coast) seceding would be like someone in a bad marriage getting a divorce from their spouse, but instead of leaving, they'd continue to sleep in the same bedroom every night, in separate twin beds, with a hospital curtain in between.

It's probably been mentioned already, but Cali would still have to deal with fallout (maybe literal fallout) from a Trump presidency over the Old USA: global warming (yuge effect on Cali), unfriendly trade deals, and the possibility of a heavily militarized near-future Old USA invading New California and annexing it anyway, with Putin leading the charge.

So much for the "land of the free".

A by-force annexation of a state peaceably trying to leave the Union would look about as good on the world stage as the whole Ukraine situation did, none of America's trade partners would stand for it.

Add to that the likelihood that the states will support the move (especially Texas who will want the Constitutional precedent if the country goes Democrat again and Oregon who are starting to make similar succession moves) and any strong-arming by DC would be a political incident that would de-stabilize the entire world. "Old USA" citizens wouldn't stand for anything that causes them to lose their status as "world police", either. If you want to dictate what's best for everyone else, you're not likely to get much support in that when you're strong-arming an entire state of people into line.

 

[SciencePilot]

Not sure why people are saying this is impossible or requires war. The obvious way do this would be through conditional amendment. Yes that would be nearly impossible but it's a lot more feasible than war.

Republican Congress might go for it because it would guarantee them control of the House for a while. Getting the states to ratify would be the hard part, though.

 

[Keasar]

It would be kinda funny if they did and then in 20 years you cut to the Californian Republic border:

If you zoom in you can see the villagers preparing President Supreme Trump's 5th election victory.

 

[SynthFetish]

A ballot measure for 2018 has been filed for Oregon to secede from the union.
One notable part relevant to this thread.

Some Californians have already expressed interest in seceding and the language of the Oregon proposal includes the option to bring other states into a "Constitutional Convention."

Trejbal said that joining forces with other states like Washington, California and Nevada is "a viable way to go forward."

These states, he said, "could all get together and form a nation that uphold the values that we share."

Full article: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/after_trump_victory_oregonians.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home_pop

 

[Terrell]

A ballot measure for 2018 has been filed for Oregon to secede from the union.
One notable part relevant to this thread.




Full article: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/after_trump_victory_oregonians.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home_pop

I don't know how trustworthy their reporting is, but Snopes is reporting that the 2 individuals who filed the ballot measure in Oregon are now asking for it to be withdrawn after receiving death threats.

Let's hope someone picks up where they left off, because silencing someone like that should never be acceptable, no matter your opinion on the subject.