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Silicon Valley investors call for California to secede from the US after Trump win
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What if silicon valley deleted the internet first?
/joke
While the idea of Pacifica sounds cool - I don't want to actually go to war with other Americans
What's funny is that in the case of a successful secession of California and the other blue west coast states, the red states nastiness and political dominance would prompt the other blue states to secede.
Definitely a nightmare scenario for anyone who wants the country to remain united states.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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They'd be destroying their own assets.
Flyover country takes on a new meaning in that scenario.
Tal Shiar Agent
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We could blockade the red states before conquering them. Sort of an inverse of the First Civil War where the secessionists are actually the good guys.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Go home California, you're drunk.
It is literally the scenario Putin wants to happen. Defeat US world unilateralism by dividing the US. If CA, NY, MN and IL all secede we would have no where near the economic power we do now and the military force would be fractured.
Even just California leaving would essentially destroy national progressivism for the rest of our lifetimes.
In this hypothetical situation, does California take counties that voted for Trump? Because if not, you're cutting off a bunch of agriculture, and if so, why? Where exactly are you drawing the line? Why take them and not any red states? Who gets to come along? And what happens if those countries don't want to come, are you going to force then just because right now they happen to be part of your state? Because if you're breaking apart the country, why are state borders suddenly sacred?
Luschient
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This shit is stupid when the idiots around here in Texas talk about it and it's stupid when California talks about it.
THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
And gtfo with him being all "it's the most patriotic thing I could do"
Really? What's more un-patriotic than wanting to split away from the rest of the fucking country?
THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
And gtfo with him being all "it's the most patriotic thing I could do"
Really? What's more un-patriotic than wanting to split away from the rest of the fucking country?
Didn't California elect the Terminator?
You don't understand, our democratic republic only works correctly when I get the results I want.
You don't understand, our democratic republic only works correctly when I get the results I want.
Host Samurai
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Funny that Arnold is for the environment. Hes pretty liberal as far as Republicans go from my understanding.
I expect they would get the same quality deals afforded the UK by Europe
not that they'd need them
patriotic feelings towards California itself can be a thing
not that they'd need them
patriotic feelings towards California itself can be a thing
SneakersSO
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Don't even entertain it as a pipedream. If you think the US Government is letting any state leave, they have a whole other thing coming. The nation does not need another civil war.
And that's just isolating this series of events to the country itself. When looked at internationally, you could see foreign countries supporting the new fledgling nation. Like someone said, Putin's Russia or China could start meddling. Then there's the shocks to the global economy.
People need to stop being so dismissive about this stuff. We live in a world where Donald Trump was elected President. Brushing off talk of secession while the country grows ever more polarized and prone to separatism is foolish.
JetBlackPanda
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it sucks guys we lost but not like this.
More Fun To Compute
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Silicon valley was founded on military research paid for by the US federal government. It has always had a parasitic one way relationship with the government purse.
Harry Turtledove really needs to get on this. I'd read that book.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Someone should make a Civ mod.
Sad Affleck
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So basically the opposite to Bioshock Infinite's Columbia? Do we have the technology to make California fly?
Good god that picture is terrifying in context now
Stormhammer
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dream of californication
Sad Affleck
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Yeah, tell me about it. Reality immitates art.
Quebec separation from Canada was a realistic possibility for several years. The division of countries is hardly a unique concept throughout history.
If you're argument is... "You can't do that. It's illegal." then that's a pretty weak argument and you haven't been paying attention to world history. The current situation in the United States definitely could be considered as "unrest" where simply imposing the laws of the oppressor is accepted as the final word. And civil war isn't always the only solution to secession.
If you're argument is... "You can't do that. It's illegal." then that's a pretty weak argument and you haven't been paying attention to world history. The current situation in the United States definitely could be considered as "unrest" where simply imposing the laws of the oppressor is accepted as the final word. And civil war isn't always the only solution to secession.
Morrigan Stark
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Immediately thought of that, haha.
Do it.
.... As an east coast Canadian, I'm totally OK with that. xD
If only.
Exactly. The west coast continuining to "west coast" all on its own isn't going to help shit. We need to continue trying to help the entire country.
Either that or our "former country" will elect Republican after Republican and continue to ignore the environment.
Chmpocalypse
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Even if feasible (not), it wouldn't work.
They'd just cut off our water supply.
They'd just cut off our water supply.
Tal Shiar Agent
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That's sort of the idea. Imagine if the North East, Mid-Atlantic states, Virginia, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Illinois, Minnesota, Colorado, and New Mexico went with California? There goes the nation's entire Pacific port system, most of the Great Lake ports, almost every major city, a ton of military and financial infrastructure. DC would be completely cut off (not to mention the civilian population would be on board). Several flipped states have a close enough margin it might cause massive civil unrest or joining the blue states. The only big thing to focus on would be conquering Texas.
Canada could supply California with water. How many barrels would you like to order?
How much are you paying for a bottle of water down there? I'm sure we could come up with a reasonable price per barrel.
Let them go? What are you going to do? Imprison 55 million people? Is Civil War II really what the rest of the US would support? I'd bet there would be millions who would want to join California, not fight them.
If the overwhelming majority of people in the region really want to secede, it's not about what the federal government is going to let them do.
Led_Zeppelin
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HAHAHAH what a crybaby. I am sure rural Cali would want that as well but from LA and San Francisco.
StrategyFan
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water's cheap
it's not like we'd stop trading with our neighbors
it's not like we'd stop trading with our neighbors
The US government would use military force if necessary. So yes, there would be a Civil War 2 before California is let go.
Not to mention if the West Coast could do it, the North-East might consider it as well. I'm sure plenty of New Yorkers wouldn't mind not having to worry about some dipshit in Kansas.
Samurai G0SU
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UberTag
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That separation vote went right down to the wire, too.
49.42% of Quebecers voted to become a sovereign nation.
50.58% of Quebecers voted to remain part of Canada.
Came down to a difference of under 55,000 votes.
Always exciting to hear news about the next Marvel movie.
bobawesome
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Sorta United States of America
AnathemicOne
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Hardly united when some bumfucks in Florida can negate what people want on the other side of the country
gutter_trash
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I'm fine with this as long as Colorado shuts off California's water supply.
when take your ball and go home? fine. No water for you
Quebec's situation changed demographically and ideolgocially in the last 21 years. It is now demographically near impossible for Quebec to separate with its current make up.
+Justin's approval ratings in that province is high, including with Francophones
when take your ball and go home? fine. No water for you
different country, different constitution.
Quebec's situation changed demographically and ideolgocially in the last 21 years. It is now demographically near impossible for Quebec to separate with its current make up.
+Justin's approval ratings in that province is high, including with Francophones
The last time this happened, we had a civil war. Fuck off with "wonderful". If you want a taste of civil war, go to Syria.
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