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Hopefully tomorrow we will get a stage, I'm confident

 

[Epiphyte]

I really don't see how it's overly complex. Double tapping to the side has always meant dashing in 2D games. 1+2 can't be any more than a centimeter apart. How hard can it be to press both at once? It's not overly complex, just different.

You've hit the nail on the head

Hardcore gamers can use complex controls, but as a rule, they don't react well to changes in established series.

 

[thetrin]

So wait, is it just me or is the wiimote only control counterintuitive?

Shouldn`t it be double tap for smash attacks, and single tap for normal attacks? Why make smashes easier to do than a strong attack?

 

[superbank]

Wiimote gimped total. Damn. I thought he was hinting at gestures? Hopefully the casuals who pick this up figure out the other control methods.

What is Link going to do, thats a very odd position. One handed stab? Maybe a just a baseball swing. ZSS will hit with her gun? Maybe the whip comes out during the swing.

Mario jumps off the ground for his strong attack, it looks like he's break dancing. His smash explosion looks very crisp.

 

[Neo Child]

Are people forgetting the fact that you can customize the control schemes... ?

 

[dfyb]

I really don't see how it's overly complex. Double tapping to the side has always meant dashing in 2D games. 1+2 can't be any more than a centimeter apart. How hard can it be to press both at once? It's not overly complex, just different.

with a normal controller, you just slam the stick to the side and press A. with a wiimote only, you have to press the d-pad to teh side twice and press two buttons.

how is that not making it overly complex? wiimote involves more buttons and more presses.... and this is just for a single attack.

You've hit the nail on the head

Hardcore gamers can use complex controls, but as a rule, they don't react well to changes in established series.

if you really think someone using just the wiimote is going to be able to compete against someone of the same skill level using one of the other methods, you're not thinking very hard.

support for wiimote only is nice, but i don't plan on using it -- there's no reason to (i have enough controllers for everyone).

 

[apotema]

Wiimote gimped total. Damn. I thought he was hinting at gestures? Hopefully the casuals who pick this up figure out the other control methods.

What is Link going to do, thats a very odd position. One handed stab? Maybe a just a baseball swing. ZSS will hit with her gun? Maybe the whip comes out during the swing.

Mario jumps off the ground for his strong attack, it looks like he's break dancing. His smash explosion looks very crisp.

Maybe he is preparing a Gatotsu!!!

 

[superbank]

Maybe he is preparing a Gatotsu!!!

Hands are in the wrong position.

 

[jamesinclair]

I loved this update, finally real info.

Looks like the GC controls are the same.....I wonder if the C-stick smash stays

Spoiler

yes please

 

[dfyb]

I wonder if the C-stick smash stays

it better. i use that thing all day. rarely use A smash unless i want to charge

 

[Danthrax]

Are people forgetting the fact that you can customize the control schemes... ?

Well if we can't remember, how will the casuals who are most likely to use a Wiimote only going to remember??

 

[AlternativeUlster]

It would super incredible if Mike Jones isn't a playable character that he would appear as an Assist Trophy and when smashed someone with a yo-yo then your character would get banned from going over to their house again. I wonder if the rumors of the Ice Climbers not returning as playable characters means that they will just appear as an Assist Trophy. Can this game get anymore awesomer?

 

[CrushDance]

He's doing a Getsuga Tenshou.

Confirmed.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

I wonder if other moves can be mapped to 1 + 2, such as grappling?

 

[Danthrax]

I wonder if other moves can be mapped to 1 + 2, such as grappling?

I heard when you triple-tap left/right and press 1 & 2, you jump.

Just a rumor, though

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

Wiimote only controls look good! You'll probably use 1 and a combination of D-pad movements to do special attacks (The B button attacks in SSBM)

I bet you're gonna have to shake the remote to do dodges, press up to jump, press A to do the shield and press - to do the grab. Doesn't seem too bad actually! (Though I'll probably stick to the Wiimote and Nunchuck myself )

 

[Epiphyte]

if you really think someone using just the wiimote is going to be able to compete against someone of the same skill level using one of the other methods, you're not thinking very hard.

support for wiimote only is nice, but i don't plan on using it -- there's no reason to (i have enough controllers for everyone).

On average, I don't think so, but I would like to actually give it a spin before reaching a verdict.

However, I'm quite sure there will be a couple of savants on smashboards who will insist that the wiimote is better and will be able to back it up. There's always those weirdos who can rock fighting games with a gamepad better than a joystick :lol

 

[NotWii]

OMG! NEW SMASH ATTACK FOR LINK!
Doesn't look like any TP inspired move.

Wonder if it's still a dual strike attack like in Melee

 

[Zeed]

I knew it! Stages always come on Fridays! There will be a stage tomorrow or else!

Nice to see that the controls are being thoroughly explained for each configuration.

 

[Epiphyte]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

What the hell is going on here?

The first control diagram I got when I checked the site at midnight PST

Now this is in its place

What madness is this?

I presume it's some sort of translation error that got fixed. The wiimote scheme certainly seems much more reasonable without forcing you to double tap.

 

[Zeed]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

What the hell is going on here?

The first control diagram I got when I checked the site at midnight PST
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/petriex/basic04_070705f2.jpg[IMG]

Now this is in its place
[IMG]http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/petriex/basic04_070705f.jpg[IMG]

What madness is this?[/QUOTE]
Sakurai is improving the game [I]as we speak[/I]!

 

[Zerodoppler]

I was just about to ask why you guys were talking about double tapping.

 

[superbank]

Huh, I guess someone screwed up the diagram. It would be more funny though if they screwed up the control scheme and they never knew until they got feedback from the forums. :lol Anyway, the new controls look completely playable.

He's doing a Getsuga Tenshou.

Confirmed.

What does that look like?

 

[NotWii]

I knew it! Stages always come on Fridays! There will be a stage tomorrow or else!

Nice to see that the controls are being thoroughly explained for each configuration.

Might be music, we never got one this week.

 

[SuperAngelo64]

hardcore gamers don't make things overly complex.

i'll be using classic controller because it'll make wavedashing a blast (i hope WDing is still there)

Wavedashing was obviously a glitch in the physics of the game, one that's sort've well known now
(Understatement of the year). I'm positive they're going to 'fix' it (get rid of it) in brawl.

 

[Hollywood_mIRC]

You guys must be imagining shit. No double tapping.

GC controller FTW regardless.

 

[fernoca]

I PREDICT NEW ITEM BITCHES, PERMABANNED IF NOT

 

[superbank]

Wavedashing was obviously a glitch in the physics of the game, one that's sort've well known now
(Understatement of the year). I'm positive they're going to 'fix' it (get rid of it) in brawl.

HIT THE DECK!

Spoiler

It would be good if they got rid of it though. I don't want to wavedash to stay competitive online.

 

[fernoca]

WOAH WOAH WOAH
I presume it's some sort of translation error that got fixed. The wiimote scheme certainly seems much more reasonable without forcing you to double tap.

CONFIRMED!
Sakurai reads NeoGAF!!!

On another note, I don't understand why it's double-tap on the Wiimote--for a tilt attack. If smashes need 1 and 2 simultaneously, why not just single tap?

 

[Epiphyte]

Wavedashing was obviously a glitch in the physics of the game, one that's sort've well known now
(Understatement of the year). I'm positive they're going to 'fix' it (get rid of it) in brawl.

You know not what you've done

Back away very slowly, being sure not to break eye contact. If you run, the thread will sense weakness and attack. With luck, you may live to see another sunrise.

Spoiler

Protip:never bring up wavedashing in s smash thread unless you wish to ignite a massive shitstorm

 

[Dr.Hadji]

Wavedashing was obviously a glitch in the physics of the game, one that's sort've well known now
(Understatement of the year). I'm positive they're going to 'fix' it (get rid of it) in brawl.

NO, please don't. Stop it!!!

 

[scottnak]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

What the hell is going on here?

The first control diagram I got when I checked the site at midnight PST
(before)

Now this is in its place
(after)

What madness is this?

I presume it's some sort of translation error that got fixed. The wiimote scheme certainly seems much more reasonable without forcing you to double tap.

The great Sakurai skillfully uses his abilities to stealth edit.

And please, let us soak in the warmth that is the update a little longer.

 

[Dark Ninja]

Wavedashing was obviously a glitch in the physics of the game, one that's sort've well known now
(Understatement of the year). I'm positive they're going to 'fix' it (get rid of it) in brawl.

 

[SuperAngelo64]

You know not what you've done

Back away very slowly, being sure not to break eye contact. If you run, the thread will sense weakness and attack. With luck, you may live to see another sunrise.

Spoiler

Protip:never bring up wavedashing in s smash thread unless you wish to ignite a massive shitstorm

I don't give a snap!! I'm not going to be e-strongarmed by intraweb police. I wasn't saying I'm against or for wavedashing. In fact I do it myself on certain characters. I'm just saying it's obviously a technical bug and it's probably going to get fixed.


Back on topic: I wouldn't rule-out some type of double-tapping, Sakurai has a boner for double-tapping to run (see: every Kirby game ever).

 

[superbank]

I don't give a snap!! I'm not going to be e-strongarmed by intraweb police. I wasn't saying I'm against or for wavedashing. In fact I do it myself on certain characters. I'm just saying it's obviously a technical bug and it's probably going to get fixed.

Spoiler

Thats why the tourney players are gonna come in here and eRape you.

 

[Hollywood_mIRC]

Agree with the wavedashing thing, although I never used it. It's an awkward looking way to play that doesn't look intended, and I hope they take it out also.

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Spoiler

Thats why the tourney players are gonna come in here and eRape you.

Is it too late for me to run to the store and get peace-offerings of Mountain Dew and Cheetohs before they get here? :[

 

[superbank]

Is it too late for me to run to the store and get peace-offerings of Mountain Dew and Cheetohs before they get here? :[

Hurry!

Hopefully though they decide not to argue. Its been brought up multiple times already in this thread.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Wavedashing was obviously a glitch in the physics of the game, one that's sort've well known now
(Understatement of the year). I'm positive they're going to 'fix' it (get rid of it) in brawl.

It's not really a glitch, but a technique that, like all of the smash metagame, revolves around exploiting the game's custom physics engine.

Call it whatever you want, but it's an important part of the competitive smash scene, and I, for one, hope they leave it in.

Now, where are those peace offerings?

 

[Danthrax]

It's not really a glitch, but a technique that, like all of the smash metagame, revolves around exploiting the game's custom physics engine.

Call it whatever you want, but it's an important part of the competitive smash scene, and I, for one, hope they leave it in.

Now, where are those peace offerings?

Why are you taking his bait? It's not worth it!

 

[fernoca]

SuperAngelo64 should be banned for bringing the whole wavedashing issue..again!
Thanks!!!

:lol

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Did I say Wavedashing?!?!

I meant Dr.Mario!

 

[Capo]

I'll probably either use the last control or the first one.

 

[_Alkaline_]

The wiimote+nunchuk options sounds really solid to me so far, plus it'll be the most comfortable since you can have your hands apart. And it'll be a nice change from the melee controls.

 

[Lé Blade Runner]

Hmm - the Classic Controller might become my method of choice.

 

[rollingstart]

im gonna end up going with classic controller or Gamecube, most likely Gamecube.

I cant imagine playing on the Wiimote.

 

[DefectiveReject]

im gonna end up going with classic controller or Gamecube, most likely Gamecube.

I cant imagine playing on the Wiimote.

I can
Quite easily

 

[thetrin]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

What the hell is going on here?

The first control diagram I got when I checked the site at midnight PST

Now this is in its place

What madness is this?

I presume it's some sort of translation error that got fixed. The wiimote scheme certainly seems much more reasonable without forcing you to double tap.

Considering the second image, I might actually be interested in playing with the 4th control scheme. I always kinda thought the "tilt quickly" thing felt odd. It makes more sense to me to hit 2 and tap for normal attack, and 1+2 and tap for smash.

That`s actually looking a LOT better than it did before.

 

[Lé Blade Runner]

Hmm.. The d-pad might offer supreme precision, too. I am getting interested in the Wiimote -option as well now.

 

[thetrin]

Hmm.. The d-pad might offer supreme precision, too. I am getting interested in the Wiimote -option as well now.

Well, now I don`t feel crazy.