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[WastingPenguins]

I dunno, tbqh. Maybe Geno is the only "badass" character in a Mario game or something.

I don't really remember Geno's role in Mario RPG (It's been many years) but his character design is dorky at best.

 

[G-Off]

I don't really remember Geno's role in Mario RPG (It's been many years) but his character design is dorky at best.

He was a powerful character who gained cult status because he is made of wood and people found that dirty enough to giggle at.

Or something.

 

[ohamsie]

I don't really remember Geno's role in Mario RPG (It's been many years) but his character design is dorky at best.

He was a spirit of the stars who inhabited a child's doll in order to fight Smithy. Or something like that.

 

[Akai]

I don't really remember Geno's role in Mario RPG (It's been many years) but his character design is dorky at best.

Well he IS a doll, after-all...

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Geno is the Vincent Valentine of Mario RPG. He's on a mission, wears a cloak, and uses guns. (Yes, BULLETS in a Mario game! -gasp-)

That's why he has such a huge fanbase. He's actually probably my least favorite of the Mario RPG five but he's pretty cool.

 

[Milabrega]

No fighting moves has never stopped HAL from including a character. They'd invent new stuff and a moveset for Olimar, simple as that.

There really should be no doubt that Olimar and/or Pikmin's will make an appearance in Brawl. They made Pokemon Trainer work, I'd argue Olimar would be a similar or even simpler task to create as a playable character.

 

[Haunted]

And we don't even know if there'll be a Square-Enix character in the game. It could be just Konami/Capcom/Sega for all we know.

There really should be no doubt that Olimar and/or Pikmin's will make an appearance in Brawl. They made Pokemon Trainer work, I'd argue Olimar would be a similar or even simpler task to create as a playable character.

Man, I hope so.

 

[Dr.Hadji]

Captain Olimar can't fight. He relies on Pikmin in his games to fight. How would he fight in Smash exactly? By using pikmin? That would be a mess.

I could see him as an assist character or something, but not as a fighter.

We seem to be forgetting Captain Olimar's 1-2-3 mega punch. His super fart/burp. His napsack (shield). His ability to pick up and throw bombs.

That's a good start.

 

[WastingPenguins]

If they can invent a moveset for Captain Falcon, they can invent one for Olimar. My main complaint is that the character Olimar is supposed to be about an inch tall in his games, but no one else seems to give a shit about that so whatever. :lol

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

If they can invent a moveset for Captain Falcon, they can invent one for Olimar

Was about to point out they created a move set for Fox as well. And Ice Climbers. And Zelda.

 

[WastingPenguins]

Was about to point out they created a move set for Fox as well. And Ice Climbers. And Zelda.

Pretty much. If it's got arms and legs, I don't see why it couldn't fight. :lol

 

[Dr.Hadji]

If they can invent a moveset for Captain Falcon, they can invent one for Olimar. My main complaint is that the character Olimar is supposed to be about an inch tall in his games, but no one else seems to give a shit about that so whatever. :lol

Kirby is 8 inches. But I'm sure we all know that by now.

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Kirby is 8 inches. But I'm sure we all know that by now.

I didn't think that was canon. I thought that was just made up by NA translators. I could be wrong though.


My problem with Olimar though is that his whole character is based around himself being small. Kirby, even if he was that small.. that's not his defining feature. Olimar is cool because he's this little micro guy. It would be like taking Tom Thumb and making him the size of a normal person, he just wouldn't be special anymore.

 

[Haunted]

Either way, I don't think a small (hurhur) thing like potential size differences in characters won't stop them.

hmm, plenty of cool stuff they could do with him. Just look at his cute antenna!

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

I didn't think that was canon. I thought that was just made up by NA translators. I could be wrong though.


My problem with Olimar though is that his whole character is based around himself being small. Kirby, even if he was that small.. that's not his defining feature. Olimar is cool because he's this little micro guy. It would be like taking Tom Thumb and making him the size of a normal person, he just wouldn't be special anymore.

its a quick fix to explain why he is big now. "Thank God for the such-and-such device"

 

[SuperAngelo64]

its a quick fix to explain why he is big now. "Thank God for the such-and-such device"

That's just cliche enough to work. They could show him getting big in his storymode intro :lol

 

[ohamsie]

Pikachu is the size of Mario, and that doesn't seem to bother anyone.

Spoiler

except me.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

I didn't think that was canon. I thought that was just made up by NA translators. I could be wrong though.


My problem with Olimar though is that his whole character is based around himself being small. Kirby, even if he was that small.. that's not his defining feature. Olimar is cool because he's this little micro guy. It would be like taking Tom Thumb and making him the size of a normal person, he just wouldn't be special anymore.

Olimar should be accompanied by a bunch of Pikmin, which could stand on each other to make him tall, or swarm his enemies , or carry people off the stage, etc. Instead of being tall, Olimar et al. could be really wide because it's him and a train of Pikmin that take different shapes depending on the move.

 

[PunjabiPlaya]

I've been wondering, how many 3rd party characters do you guys think they'll have in the game?

Honestly, other than Snake, I see there being at MOST only 2-3 others. And one will probably be Sonic.

However, I would honestly start crying it there's a Square character.... who is either Sora or Chrono...... but preferably Sora.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I've been wondering, how many 3rd party characters do you guys think they'll have in the game?

Honestly, other than Snake, I see there being at MOST only 2-3 others. And one will probably be Sonic.

However, I would honestly start crying it there's a Square character.... who is either Sora or Chrono...... but preferably Sora.

Sakurai said 2-3 including Snake.

So at most two more.

 

[Jirotrom]

Mega man, and Sonic are my guesses. Ryu from street fighter would make me happy because of the SF days, but I see Mega-man for capcom Sonic for Sega.

 

[Vong_Assassin]

Come onnnnnn Captain Falcon!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

 

[rollingstart]

Megaman has to be one of them, it is the most perfect match for Smash compared to other characters. Most Megaman games have been on Nintendo consoles and all the new games are coming on DS.

 

[Staccat0]

Any character that gets into the game from a thrid party would have to be absolutely ICONIC
I doubt there would be more than 5 maybe just the obvious ones...
Sonic (Mario Vs. Sonic finally!!1!!)
Mega Man (Mega Man Vs. Samus finally!!1!!)
Pac Man (Pac Man Vs. Donkey Kong finally!!1!!)
MAYBE a Castelvania guy like Simon Belmont

No one respect Pac Man's legacy enough! He could summon fruit to eat as a move and turn everyone blue with his Final Smash, before eating them all...
Very few others deserve the nod IMO. It should be a NINTENDO based world... If its only Snake thats too bad.

 

[Jiggy]

I think Square-Enix will put in Rena just for me.
...Nah. Actually, she's about as likely as, oh, let's say

Spoiler

Geno

. In seriousness, I expect Mega Man (classic) and Sonic to be the other two third-party characters. Sonic for sure, Mega Man more iffy because a different third-party might have been approached rather than Capcom. But I certainly expect three total guest stars, so to speak. People like things in threes.

 

[PunjabiPlaya]

Megaman has to be one of them, it is the most perfect match for Smash compared to other characters. Most Megaman games have been on Nintendo consoles and all the new games are coming on DS.

Megaman may be a perfect match, and it would be great if he's in, but who ever thought that Snake would ever be in Smash?

I just hope that the other 3rd party characters will be as much of a surprise as Snake was.

 

[PantherLotus]

Just stopped by to say THANK FUCKING GOD @ WIFI. If it works similar to PPL DS I'll be happy. Random/friends it all works.

 

[Firestorm]

Any character that gets into the game from a thrid party would have to be absolutely ICONIC
I doubt there would be more than 5 maybe just the obvious ones...
Sonic (Mario Vs. Sonic finally!!1!!)
Mega Man (Mega Man Vs. Samus finally!!1!!)
Pac Man (Pac Man Vs. Donkey Kong finally!!1!!)
MAYBE a Castelvania guy like Simon Belmont

No one respect Pac Man's legacy enough! He could summon fruit to eat as a move and turn everyone blue with his Final Smash, before eating them all...
Very few others deserve the nod IMO. It should be a NINTENDO based world... If its only Snake thats too bad.

Actually, any character that gets into the game from a third party basically needs the copyright holder to be friends with Sakurai and be like "hey man, put my dude in your game"

 

[Scribble]

I think Square-Enix will put in Rena just for me.
...Nah. Actually, she's about as likely as, oh, let's say

Spoiler

Geno

. In seriousness, I expect Mega Man (classic) and Sonic to be the other two third-party characters. Sonic for sure, Mega Man more iffy because a different third-party might have been approached rather than Capcom. But I certainly expect three total guest stars, so to speak. People like things in threes.

It's a pity Sakurai said no anime characters kana, kana

I don't think that Geno would count as a "third party character", since he is technically a Mario character. So that wouldn't necessarily stop Sonic, Megaman, Crono, Sonic, or Bubsy from being a third party character

 

[Jiggy]

It's a pity Sakurai said no anime characters kana, kana

I don't think that Geno would count as a "third party character", since he is technically a Mario character. So that wouldn't necessarily stop Sonic, Megaman, Crono, Sonic, or Bubsy from being a third party character

Not sure if that was a joke, but she's a game character. >_>
As for Geno, Square-Enix was credited for his little casino game guest appearance in Mario & Luigi, which is another reason to compare him to another relatively obscure S-E character like Rena.

 

[Staccat0]

Actually, any character that gets into the game from a third party basically needs the copyright holder to be friends with Sakurai and be like "hey man, put my dude in your game"

Prove it.
sounds like a lot of "GC controls only" talk to me.

 

[Scribble]

Not sure if that was a joke, but she's a game character. >_>

Thought you meant Rena from an anime =X

As for Geno, Square-Enix was credited for his little casino game guest appearance in Mario & Luigi, which is another reason to compare him to another relatively obscure S-E character like Rena.

Which game is Rena from, anyway? Is her fanbase as big as Geno's?

 

[DDayton]

So... just a thought. If we have a GAF Wi-Fi Brawl Tournament, how are we going to decide on the settings/stages for the matches? Half the community will blow up if you tell them we're not using items, and half will blow up if you tell them we are. What will we do?! :lol

Use the game's default settings.

 

[Firestorm]

Use the game's default settings.

So make everybody hate it? Melee's settings were 2:00 time matches if you recall =P

Anyway, I plan on running a Singles and then maybe Doubles tournament. Double Elimination, Best of 3, no items. Most stages on as we won't really know what's fair and what's not 3 weeks into the game (except obvious shit).

Someone can always do a Items On FFA tournament too. I'd join it even though I prefer the other way. I just want to make a competitive tournament like the Pokemon tourney. Only one person had a problem with those rules (Wobbuffet being banned). Although SSB does have far more haters =P

 

[Scribble]

I'm going to feel so left out, living in the UK and all ;_;

 

[Raging Spaniard]

The game is intended to be played with items I think. I say take the maxim tomato/hearts out, leave the rest in. Some players tactic is skillful use and retrieval of items, and its just as worthy as somebody who doesn't use them, thus making the game more exciting

 

[SuperAndroid17]

Looking at the music composer's list.....

Yasunori Mitsuda :
(PROCYON STUDIO CO., LTD.) CHRONO TRIGGER / XENOGEARS

Yoko Shimomura: Kingdom Hearts series

I expect big secrets in this game .

 

[Jiggy]

Thought you meant Rena from an anime =X



Which game is Rena from, anyway? Is her fanbase as big as Geno's?

Star Ocean 2, which was on PS1, and Star Ocean Blue Sphere, which was on GBC. And nah, it's kind of a cult game, and her "fanbase" is, like... me. And only me. And this guy, I guess. I thought I was the only one who controlled her in battle straight through to the bonus dungeon.


Anyway, I'm half-joking when I draw a comparison to Geno, but only half-joking. My real point is that in either case I think we're talking about something just short of impossible because, cult fanbase or no, Geno's a minor, non-iconic character owned by a company with dozens of major, iconic characters to spare.
And Geno doesn't even have the advantage of being a lead character in the main entry of a franchise, just a sidekick in a spinoff. You can't say this of any other character in Smash, past or present. Every one of them has been either a hero/villain in a "main" game, a sidekick in a main game, or (in the case of Dr. Mario) the hero of a spinoff.

I'm just saying... I seriously hope people aren't getting their hopes up for Geno. (And it seems like most aren't, which is good.) Even Lyn had and has her ardent fanbase, and she was more of a main character than Geno. So was Samurai Goroh.

 

[Firestorm]

The game is intended to be played with items I think. I say take the maxim tomato/hearts out, leave the rest in. Some players tactic is skillful use and retrieval of items, and its just as worthy as somebody who doesn't use them, thus making the game more exciting

The game is intended to be played however the player wants to play it.

I don't want to get into an items debate again. Pretty tired already. I honestly don't find items fun even in free for alls unless I'm doing some gimmicky thing like Pokeball Battle or Bunny Hooded Screw Attack thing. I just find them boring. In a competitive setting I feel they have no place at all. Randomly appearing in the match to reward the player who is currently in the dominant position isn't appealing. It was tried and didn't work out. West coast dropped it, adopted the east coast's "no items" rule, and that was that.

Also, I really need to emphasize that everyone needs to try out Bunny Hood + Screw Attack at least once

 

[perfectchaos007]

I predict more Wi-Fi info tonight.

BTW is this the biggest thread ever? In either replies or views.

 

[Grecco]

Looking at the music composer's list.....

Yasunori Mitsuda :
(PROCYON STUDIO CO., LTD.) CHRONO TRIGGER / XENOGEARS

Yoko Shimomura: Kingdom Hearts series

I expect big secrets in this game .

Chrono being the Square representative in this game would make it automatically for me the game of the generation.

 

[VOOK]

I do not plan to be playing with you Firestorm.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

The game is intended to be played however the player wants to play it.

I don't want to get into an items debate again. Pretty tired already. I honestly don't find items fun even in free for alls unless I'm doing some gimmicky thing like Pokeball Battle or Bunny Hooded Screw Attack thing. I just find them boring. In a competitive setting I feel they have no place at all. Randomly appearing in the match to reward the player who is currently in the dominant position isn't appealing. It was tried and didn't work out. West coast dropped it, adopted the east coast's "no items" rule, and that was that.

Also, I really need to emphasize that everyone needs to try out Bunny Hood + Screw Attack at least once

Cool OK no debate, but I think we can agree that just because the competitive circle uses a set of rules that caters a way of playing, doesn't mean we necessarily need to abide to that.

I guess there will be a better time and place to discuss this, we also need to swap f codes and all that jazz.

 

[Firestorm]

I do not plan to be playing with you Firestorm.

Neither do I, Australia's fairly far away and the time/lag just wouldn't work out too well.

Anyone notice that in the WiFi update the name used is Bill? I think it's probably Bill Trinen who's doing the translations for at least the English sites.

 

[Somnid]

I predict more Wi-Fi info tonight.

BTW is this the biggest thread ever? In either replies or views.

In views yes. In posts we got 600 more to go.

Also, I thought we've all come to the conclusion that the composers don't really tell us anything as they are all contracted to compose random Nintendo stuff.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Looking at the music composer's list.....

Yasunori Mitsuda :
(PROCYON STUDIO CO., LTD.) CHRONO TRIGGER / XENOGEARS

Yoko Shimomura: Kingdom Hearts series

I expect big secrets in this game .

Yeah but later on that post

We've asked our group of arrangement supervisors to listen to an elite selection of Nintendo music and asked them to arrange several of their favorite songs...which means there will be quite a number of songs.

 

[Jiggy]

Actually, any character that gets into the game from a third party basically needs the copyright holder to be friends with Sakurai and be like "hey man, put my dude in your game"

You might be on to something. :lol

Looking at the music composer's list.....

Yasunori Mitsuda :
(PROCYON STUDIO CO., LTD.) CHRONO TRIGGER / XENOGEARS

Yoko Shimomura: Kingdom Hearts series

I expect big secrets in this game .

That's a list of some of their past credentials, man. It's probably not meant to imply much, if anything.
Not that I wouldn't want Crono, though. And his music--and no less than ten other themes from CT. I'd say that would make for an auto-classic, but then SSBB's already an auto-classic, so hey...

 

[Firestorm]

Cool OK no debate, but I think we can agree that just because the competitive circle uses a set of rules that caters a way of playing, doesn't mean we necessarily need to abide to that.

I guess there will be a better time and place to discuss this, we also need to swap f codes and all that jazz.

Oh yeah definitely nobody needs to play by competitive rules. I just expressed my interest in making a competitive tournament like I did for Pokemon. I'm hoping GAFfers would give it a go just like I'd give an FFA tourney a go. For a competitive tournament, I'd use competitive rules =P They won't be perfect since Brawl would be new and we probably wouldn't be able to decide who's broken on what stages or anything, but stages like WarioWare banned will probably be apparent.

Because in all honesty WarioWare stage, as cool a concept as it is, looks like the new Flat Zone =[

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Oh yeah definitely nobody needs to play by competitive rules. I just expressed my interest in making a competitive tournament like I did for Pokemon. I'm hoping GAFfers would give it a go just like I'd give an FFA tourney a go. For a competitive tournament, I'd use competitive rules =P They won't be perfect since Brawl would be new and we probably wouldn't be able to decide who's broken on what stages or anything, but stages like WarioWare banned will probably be apparent.

Because in all honesty WarioWare stage, as cool a concept as it is, looks like the new Flat Zone =[

Yeah the only way to play Flat Zone was with the fixed camera mode, and even then it was worthless.

 

[SuperAndroid17]

You might be on to something. :lol



That's a list of some of their past credentials, man. It's probably not meant to imply much, if anything.
Not that I wouldn't want Crono, though. And his music--and no less than ten other themes from CT. I'd say that would make for an auto-classic, but then SSBB's already an auto-classic, so hey...

DONT RUIN MY FANTASIES!