MasterMFauli
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What sucks mroe than any special-move is that Kirby has his old moves. That´s so lame. Update every old character!
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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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MasterMFauli said:
They may have changed the properties of the moves and/or updated his normals though.
Mithos Yggdrasill
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GaimeGuy said:
WOWOWOWOWOWOW (Graphics-wise) !
Zoramon089
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RubxQub said:
Not necassarily. Sakurai said these moves were supposed to be the equivalent of the hammer, but specialized for each character so they should act as if they have the hammer. By invincible, what I meant was almost invulnerable. In the same way you had to hit someone with the hammer in just the right place or with just the right weapon, you'd have to hit characters a certain way to interupt their attacks.
And I really see little support in these moves being done using FMVs...I mean, look at the Link pictures and you'll see a few reasons. 1) The pictures are CLEARLY zoomed in as the majority of the Smash pics on the site are. 2) If you look at the backgrounds you can clearly see the castle stage and Link jumping off a platform to hit Wario who was trapped in the air
Think about it. Remember in the old trailer it showed Link flying through the air to hit Mario who was trapped in the triforce things? These pictures seem to show that they changed that way, and made it real time
Raging Spaniard
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Those arent cutscenes people, its called SELLING A GAME. They're going to show you action on unplayable-yet-cool-looking angles
Zoramon089
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BGBW said:
Mario attacks in one direction so it may be possible to attack him from behind.
Or from beneath him, if you rush him quick enough to only catch a bit of the flame
RubxQub
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I don't mean mini cut-scenes as FMVs, just cinematic in game stuff.
I fully get everyone's points, but there is no evidence asides from logic (and how well has that worked for game speculation?) that says that Final Smash moves won't initiate a small cinematic.
I fully get everyone's points, but there is no evidence asides from logic (and how well has that worked for game speculation?) that says that Final Smash moves won't initiate a small cinematic.
Tathanen
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I liken Final Smashes to Pokemon attacks (from the Pokeballs). The Pokemon spawns and does an attack. If you try to ATTACK the Pokemon (in most circumstances) you actually get hurt. While Mario does his final smash, he's all glowing with energy there; I'd imagine jumping towards him would be like jumping towards Groudon (or any of the legendary Pokemon in SSBM). You just get blown away. Same with Link. While he's hacking someone up in that attack, if you jump towards him you'd either get pulled into the attack or just blown away from it.
[Edit] You can apply that logic to the animation as well. Every Pokemon doesn't have a cinema for it's attack. They do their spectacular whatever and everyone can still run around during it. It'll probably be the exact same thing--just instead of calling a pokemon, you effectively BECOME the pokemon.
Also, using that original movie for reasoning isn't a good idea. Half of it wasn't even realtime, including the "cinemas" at the beginning of each final smash. Mario's and Link's actual attacks were realtime, but the zooming before them was clearly the super-smoothed stuff being used throughout the rest of the trailer that wasn't indicative of actual gameplay. Now we have those same animations rendered in actual graphics (in these new screens), and I expect them to play out exactly like Pokemon attacks.
[Edit] You can apply that logic to the animation as well. Every Pokemon doesn't have a cinema for it's attack. They do their spectacular whatever and everyone can still run around during it. It'll probably be the exact same thing--just instead of calling a pokemon, you effectively BECOME the pokemon.
Also, using that original movie for reasoning isn't a good idea. Half of it wasn't even realtime, including the "cinemas" at the beginning of each final smash. Mario's and Link's actual attacks were realtime, but the zooming before them was clearly the super-smoothed stuff being used throughout the rest of the trailer that wasn't indicative of actual gameplay. Now we have those same animations rendered in actual graphics (in these new screens), and I expect them to play out exactly like Pokemon attacks.
I'm pretty sure all thats going to happen is the game is going to take control of your charater for a couple seconds to execute the moves while the camera angle might move to show it off. Thats it. Thats all. Think a special in 3rd strike with the camera moving. And I'm not sure if the camera will move. Because that basically means everyone is going to have a tuff time dodge it. We won't know till the game is playable at this years E3. (I'm going to say it is for good hopes and don't want any negativity to change it)RubxQub said:
But this picture
is just SAMUS LANDING FROM AN AIR GRAB. Thats it lol. Not cutscene. No final smash.
Tathanen
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Also, here's something based on evidence, not logical conjecture.
Look at those screens for Link's final smash. In particular, the first and second one. In the first, he's firing the Triforce beam. In the second, he's dashing towards the enemy he's managed to ensnare. The white dash by his feat is a "I just took off" animation, which implies that he just lept from his original sitting position on the platform, and is en route to Wario. He's like, a foot away from Wario. The original Trailer showed a whole extravagant zoom in on Link flying towards his foe, with him bathed in yellow energy. These screens show no point where that cinema would fit. Not only is Link never bathed in yellow, but the screens are a step-by-step display of the entire point in time that cinema would occupy. The camera angle in the screens is irrelevant, as all gameplay screens to this point have been similarly framed. The only reason to think there'd be a cinema is the ONE snippet of Link flying towards his enemy from the original (and highly scripted for effect) trailer, and here we have screens that clearly show how that animation will function in a real gameplay setting.
I mean SURE we won't know for sure until we see it in motion, but there's no actual reason to assume that cinematics designed for emphasis in a debut trailer will translate exactly to final gameplay (most notably when they were rendered differently from scenes of actual gameplay), especially now that we have screens that indicate the contrary.
Look at those screens for Link's final smash. In particular, the first and second one. In the first, he's firing the Triforce beam. In the second, he's dashing towards the enemy he's managed to ensnare. The white dash by his feat is a "I just took off" animation, which implies that he just lept from his original sitting position on the platform, and is en route to Wario. He's like, a foot away from Wario. The original Trailer showed a whole extravagant zoom in on Link flying towards his foe, with him bathed in yellow energy. These screens show no point where that cinema would fit. Not only is Link never bathed in yellow, but the screens are a step-by-step display of the entire point in time that cinema would occupy. The camera angle in the screens is irrelevant, as all gameplay screens to this point have been similarly framed. The only reason to think there'd be a cinema is the ONE snippet of Link flying towards his enemy from the original (and highly scripted for effect) trailer, and here we have screens that clearly show how that animation will function in a real gameplay setting.
I mean SURE we won't know for sure until we see it in motion, but there's no actual reason to assume that cinematics designed for emphasis in a debut trailer will translate exactly to final gameplay (most notably when they were rendered differently from scenes of actual gameplay), especially now that we have screens that indicate the contrary.
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Akinola said:
Dunno about japanese but in spanish it's ZAS!
Zoramon089
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WastingPenguins said:
No, it really doesn't. Watch the original trailer again when Mario does his final Smash. As the fire is coming Link and Kirby are running away. Other players can clearly move around during them. It's real time
WastingPenguins
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Zoramon089 said:
Are you people blind? There's a little scene zoomed in on Mario where he jumps up and grabs the orb right before that. I'm saying there is a scene BEFORE the FS, not that the attack itself is a cutscene. Obviously I have no idea how it will work in the final game, but that trailer shows 3 examples of these scenes leading up to Final Smashes. If something is shown in a trailer like that, I'm going to assume it's in the game until I have even a HINT of evidence otherwise.
I agree that it seems common sense for Sakurai not to do this, but hey, I thought the same thing about the wacky super-hits in Mario Tennis for Gamecube!
ShockingAlberto
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There was also a camera mode in Melee.Blutonium said:
If it's something you can only do once per match, who cares >.>; I mean, firstly, a competitive match will obviously not have them in the first place. If you're doing a match with items and all, might as well make it as flashy as possible! It's once a match! I wonder if Young Link
will have a similar final smash to Link's?
How come he hasn't done a Metaknight profile yet =( I wouldn't mind seeing his moves or final smash.
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How come he hasn't done a Metaknight profile yet =( I wouldn't mind seeing his moves or final smash.
WastingPenguins
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Firestorm said:
Actually, the site does say that a Smash Orb can only be used once... but it doesn't say if that means once per match, once life, once per 30 seconds. All we know for sure is that each orb can only be used once. Whether multiple orbs will appear in a match, no one knows.
WastingPenguins said:
Sakurai wasn't involved in Mario Tennis...
And the 3 cutscenes are examples of smooth non-realtime animation. They were present in many other cinematic scenes in the first trailer. The second trailer is all realtime gameplay and no smooth cutscenes were present.
WastingPenguins
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superbank said:
Ha, I hope you're right! Watching the old trailer again, the "smooth cutscene" preceding Mario's Final Smash looks pretty close to the screens on the site... although Mario's positions are a bit different. So yeah, let's all cross our fingers and hope those were just for show, shall we?
And yeah, I know Sakurai wasn't involved in Mario Tennis. :lol I was just pointing out that gameplay-interrupting cutscene-based special moves wouldn't be a new concept for a Nintendo multiplayer game.
WastingPenguins
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traveler said:
No, no official confirmation of any kind. Melee's battles are ridiculously customizable, however, so it's almost a given that you'll be able to turn those off if you wish. But yeah, no one knows for sure yet!
E3... three more weeks to go! It seems soooo far away, doesn't it?
DeceitDecide
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Is anyone else getting nervous that this game hasn't been officially confirmed to be Wifi compatible? What's going to happen if it turns out to be an offline game? Neogaf am cry, etc.?
WastingPenguins
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DeceitDecide said:
They'll probably confirm it at E3 as WiFi compatible... for trophy trading. :lol :lol
Wifi will only kill the great community for this game so n00bs who think there "Link" (lol link players winning) is good and have never gone to tournaments can go online and win. They will then lose to the people who goto tournaments proceeded to not playing the game anymore, and only leaving the good players resulting in ruining the great offline experience.
Not to mention: Lag,Freind Codes (maybe),Bigger hitboxes to compensate for lag, etc.
Not to mention: Lag,Freind Codes (maybe),Bigger hitboxes to compensate for lag, etc.
Or, you know, none of that could happen. I know I'm not the only one who sucks and still plays FPSs. People will play it even though they suck at it. My friends can still play Melee for hours even though I can beat them pretty easily as long as they don't team up on me.xTOXNx said:
studio810 said:I want some videos! Why have an icon if you don't put any up. Come on Sakurai!
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/movies/movie01.html
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/movies/movie02.html
.. they'll probably save the good stuff until a later date though.
DownLikeBCPowder
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DeceitDecide said:
It'll be okay either way. I'd rather no online, really. I like the community.
Smiles and Cries
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GaimeGuy said:
considering this is the only game genre Nintendo can do this with, this is the best thing they ever done
it would not work with Mario Galaxy
DeceitDecide
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New character tonight or riot...
not really
DownLikeBCPowder
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Kandinsky said:
Dude. One button melee is way more nerfed than what you described.. :-(
Er, Final Destination is probably one of the tougher levels to render in Melee, with the moving background. It's not on the level of Mute City or Fountain of Dreams, but it's certainly tougher on the system than, say, Yoshi's StoryKandinsky said:
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