Yes we know. Same can be said the other way round, as both consoles have very different strengths.
As much as a liked the rendition of Fillmore (Genesis version) I went back and started listening to them carefully and the SNES version is so much superior in just about every way and Actraiser is practically a launch title
Listen in particular to the variety of instruments present in the SNES version and how you can picture an orchestra playing real instruments that match, whereas I can't match any for the Genesis since they sound electronic mostly.
Listen with headphones and pay attention in particular to the low pitch horn that plays in the background. The author of the Genesis version tried to replicate that and it just sounds like he's hitting notes on a keyboard, whereas the SNES version sounds like an actual horn being playing by someone in an orchestra.
On the SNES version I can clearly hear a bass guitar's strings being pulled and slapped SLAPPA DA BASS! and one thing that always irked me about the Genesis sound is the inability to replicate the snare drum, sounds like a blown speaker, no seriously, the crackling of a BLOWN speaker is what snares sound like on the Genesis, take a listen.
My take away from all of this is that the SNES can replicate any sound the Genesis can, albeit at a lower sample, some instruments may sound cleaner on Genesis, but the problem is, game sound is not just music, ambient sounds and voices are also part of video game sound.
Here's a great example, this is how Donkey Kong Country whooshing sounds of wind and rain will sound like on the Genesis, but then listen to the SNES version and you'll quickly understand why the Genesis will never be able to match the sounds the SNES can muster.
Just as the SNES cannot reproduce many aspects of the MegaDrive. Especially how clear the sound is. Saying the a console cannot do something at all feels a bit pretentious, after all I had read a few times that Powell and other tracks from Seiken 3 would be impossible until a real effort was done on this track by Savaged Regime.
I was not making a direct comparison to DKC. You simply saw whatever you wanted to see.
Do you realize that this is a personal opinion ? You can prefer classical music if you want, but that's subjective. I personally prefer the synthetized sounds of the MegaDrive + high quality drum and bass samples the console makes, than the overall low quality SNES sound. I'd rather take great quality electronic music than cheap imitations of instruments. If I want orchestral music, redbook audio is where it's at. And your unpleasant way to say this with your ridiculous example does not change the overall discussion, as MegaDrive music certainly isn't like your "son banging in the kitchen". Maybe you can't discuss without resorting to these kind of arguments ?
Depends on what kind of sound you wanted.
Genesis had a Yamaha YM2612. This same chip was used by countless arcade games. If you wanted the same kind of music from a punchy arcade game, Genesis was superior. SNES had great music and some realistic sound effects, but it could not replicate arcade music very well. The sound hardware lacked punch. But SNES could play synthesized trombones, marimba, chirps, and bells really well
The same goes for sound in general, not just the music. The clarity of the sound-effects on the Genesis kept pace with the SNES until both systems were replaced, even though Genesis was older, "inferior" hardware.
Street Fighter is not a good example. The Genesis replicates the songs faithfully in Street Fighter. The part where it gets stomped by SNES is the digital voices. As for the songs, they sound really good.Well I can go about the same argument and say it depends on what kind of graphics I wanted when it comes to comparing visuals
Music is subjective, but the ability to "REPLICATE" an arcade quality sound as illustrated by the post above is clearly where the SNES would win against Genesis. No doubt that some talented sound engineers could come up with some magical pieces on the Genesis, similar to how Crytek came up with a magical looking game called Ryse: Son of Rome on what was considered to be an inferior Xbox One, and regardless of how beautiful it looked, it's still a fact that PS4 is a superior machine, even if there were some slight advantages on XB1 (Like slightly higher clocked CPU). So even if some developer decided to take advantage of this slight difference and center his whole production on it, you can't overall say that we can't objectively state that the PS4 is the better machine for graphics, it's just a technical fact. You can claim you like the sound on the Genesis, but now THAT is whats falling on the subjective side. If the Genesis is not able to replicate arcade classics like Street Fighter as well as the SNES does, then it's simply not as capable.
Oh nice we found ourselves a retro sound hardware fanboy.Well I can go about the same argument and say it depends on what kind of graphics I wanted when it comes to comparing visuals
Music is subjective, but the ability to "REPLICATE" an arcade quality sound as illustrated by the post above is clearly where the SNES would win against Genesis. No doubt that some talented sound engineers could come up with some magical pieces on the Genesis, similar to how Crytek came up with a magical looking game called Ryse: Son of Rome on what was considered to be an inferior Xbox One, and regardless of how beautiful it looked, it's still a fact that PS4 is a superior machine, even if there were some slight advantages on XB1 (Like slightly higher clocked CPU). So even if some developer decided to take advantage of this slight difference and center his whole production on it, you can't overall say that we can't objectively state that the PS4 is the better machine for graphics, it's just a technical fact. You can claim you like the sound on the Genesis, but now THAT is whats falling on the subjective if it's not able to replicate arcade classics like Street Fighter as well as the SNES does.
A wise man once said : The novice imitates, the master creates. Or something like that. That summarizes best the situationWell I can go about the same argument and say it depends on what kind of graphics I wanted when it comes to comparing visuals
Music is subjective, but the ability to "REPLICATE" an arcade quality sound as illustrated by the post above is clearly where the SNES would win against Genesis. No doubt that some talented sound engineers could come up with some magical pieces on the Genesis, similar to how Crytek came up with a magical looking game called Ryse: Son of Rome on what was considered to be an inferior Xbox One, and regardless of how beautiful it looked, it's still a fact that PS4 is a superior machine, even if there were some slight advantages on XB1 (Like slightly higher clocked CPU). So even if some developer decided to take advantage of this slight difference and center his whole production on it, you can't overall say that we can't objectively state that the PS4 is the better machine for graphics, it's just a technical fact. You can claim you like the sound on the Genesis, but now THAT is whats falling on the subjective side. If the Genesis is not able to replicate arcade classics like Street Fighter as well as the SNES does, then it's simply not as capable.
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I see this thread and think "They've been arguing about this for 7 years, you'd think they'd have realised that they're too different to directly compete so it's all subjective by now" but that wouldn't have led to half as many quality tracks being shared.This is one of my favorite threads of all time. Love hearing the hidden gems on each system I never knew about. It’s also helped me gain an appreciation for the vastly inferior Genesis soundchip
Oh nice we found ourselves a retro sound hardware fanboy.
I think you're missing the point of the thread. Comparing sound includes comparing how the games sound on the hardware. I'm not able to compare hypothetical versions of SNES games, I can only compare the games on each system.
I respect your subjective experience. So let's discuss from that perspective instead of resorting to hardware comparisons. FFVI didn't do it for me, but Chrono Trigger did indeed have an incredible soundtrack + incredible sound design.
Listen, I had a Genesis before I had a Super Nintendo, but as a SFII fan, the one thing that irked me about the Genesis were the damn Hadoken sounds and other voices, good gracious! The SNES was so much better in this regard, and orchestrated music like in FFVI and Chrono Trigger just gave me goosebumps, I absolutely loved Streets of Rage 2, but the groovy sounds never left me feeling the same nostalgia as the Nintendo classics.
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I may have been wrong about the exact chip used in the Genny, but there are Yamaha keyboards with a higher end version of the chip which can certainly produce the same sounds.
Great example, I have the exact same feeling towards both games. Mitsuda's soundtrack is amazing, the few first themes are extremely peaceful. Great melodies. Always stunned me how warm and welcoming these musics are.
Still can't believe that MEGA MAN X didn't make it to the MEGA DRIVE! That soundtrack would have fit so well...
I love both the first one on Genesis and Sparkster on the SNES. It's sad the series isn't more widely played nor praised. Easily two of the best platformers of the 16 bit era, with two of the best soundtracks of the 16 bit era.
People do it all the time, the problem is that let's say we compare current gen consoles they do the exact same thing (they have the same graphical features).... but some consoles do much less of it (the one S) and others much more of it (the one X), you can't prefer the S over the X--They both run the same games, but one machine runs them at an optionally higher resolution and frame rate.Well I can go about the same argument and say it depends on what kind of graphics I wanted when it comes to comparing visuals
