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So are we 100% sure PREY is not actually a new Bioshock?
- Thread starter sn00zer
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I watched a portion at PAX and it had a 0451 safe code
It also looked ALOT like Bioshock.
This. If it only was lie Bioshock, that would be a huge disappointment.
I guess people here are doing the thing where they pretend Bioshock wasn't amazing. All praise be to 90s PC games and scorn to everything after.
That said, I'm excited for Prey. Immersive sims can't come out frequently enough and everything they've shown on this game looks terrific.
That said, I'm excited for Prey. Immersive sims can't come out frequently enough and everything they've shown on this game looks terrific.
The fact that we've gotten three full on AAA immersive sims (DX:MD, Dishonored 2, and Prey) in the span of a year is kind of amazing, considering the state and direction of the industry.
Now we can watch as they all underperform and go years without another.
Now we can watch as they all underperform and go years without another.
System Shock 3 is coming, but I don't know if it qualifies as AAA
I personally think it's a bad genre description, but it's easier to say than "first person action stealth with light rpg elements semi open world with environmental interaction and cause and effect systems game".
I believe it was coined for Deus Ex, but there are examples or progenitors that existed before.
deadscreensky
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I'm a fan of the System Shock series too, but as the OP notes there is some genuine Bioshock in here. The art style, powers, and apparent political setting all scream Bioshock more than System Shock. I suppose you could argue how much of that is Bioshock and how much is just Arkane, but then we'd be getting into whether Bioshock influenced Dishonored and I personally have no idea.
The Dead Space comparisons are what throws me, because outside of a few elements (the lighting, the interface, no focus on AI, dismemberment gameplay) that game essentially was System Shock 2 mixed with RE4. I'm not sure about AI, but the rest of that stuff is clearly lacking from Prey.
It's the new "walking simulator".
It's made by Arkane who are basically from the same school of game design as Warren Spector and Ken Levine. Dishonored might be considered a peer to Bioshock, System Shock, Deus Ex, etc. Like how Soulsbourne action games are a style/subgenre of third person action, the same is true of the Shock games to the FPS genre, so there's going to be some similarities and crossover at first but from the sound of it there will also be a lot of content unique to Prey.
TheRedSnifit
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ScientificPizza
Banned
Space is the underwater of the sky. It all makes sense
blame space
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capylikesgames
Banned
Please OP, go play System Shock 2 if you haven't. It just sounds like you didn't, and if that's the case you're doing yourself a disservice. I've played both (Bioshock 1 first), by the way, and love them equally.
But yeah, Prey looks incredible. I'm going to wait for release impressions, but I can see myself buying it near launch. As bad as I feel for fans of the original, this looks like a game I'll love.
But yeah, Prey looks incredible. I'm going to wait for release impressions, but I can see myself buying it near launch. As bad as I feel for fans of the original, this looks like a game I'll love.
MetalGearZed
Member
No lie
when i watched that 15 gameplay, all i could think about was how this could have been a Bioshock sequel or what i imagined it could be.
and its also much more similar to Bioshock than Prey (at least from what's been showed)
so there's that
when i watched that 15 gameplay, all i could think about was how this could have been a Bioshock sequel or what i imagined it could be.
and its also much more similar to Bioshock than Prey (at least from what's been showed)
so there's that
To be fair those games are kinda rough now and hard to go back to, but fortunately there are remakes of System Shock 1 and 2 on the way and Warren Spector is back working on a third.
It's a casualized implementation of System Shock, but not to the same extent as BioShock, if that makes more sense.
The abilities also match up more to a mix System Shock's concepts and Dishonored than what you have in BioShock.
Soulblighter31
Banned
Theres no remake of System Shock 2. Theres nothing hard about going back to System Shock 2. Noyhing at all. It plays good and its better than everything today. The more rough one is System Shock, which has a gog re-release which adds mouse look, so thats good. Thats the one that has a remake, but the devs seem to want to redesign it for a "modern audience". Not to mention they're trying to force a game that originally uses more than half a keyboard into consoles and controllers. Who knows what a mess that'll be. The new projects from Otherside seem to be going so bad and slow, i wouldnt get excited for a new System Shock at this point. Its gonna take a gazzilion years and be very low budget, from the look of things so far
Brat-Sampson
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So it's the opposite of Pandorum?
TheRedSnifit
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I don't really think this is an issue here, SS1 at its core is a mechanically simple game. Pretty much all of the (mechanical) complexity comes from the clunky UI and proto-mouselook controls.
Like, I don't think anybody's going to complain if the remake doesn't have 19 seperate keys dedicated to movement and posture (most of which were impossible to use anyways since you always needed one hand on the mouse).
Well I feel like between easy access to the originals on Steam, the remake of first and second (the team remaking the original say they plan to do the second if it is a success), the fact that System Shock 3 is in development (with a team lead by the guy who founded the series) and Prey being out soon I feel pretty lucky right now as someone interested in the series. Admittedly, I missed out on the first two when they were released and tried playing them recently but they feel and look too antiquated IMO so I'm looking forward to all the upcoming releases.
He's not lead level designer, Rich Wilson is. A few of Infinite developers joined after Irrational "wound down" in early 2014.
Rexatality
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Other than the art design, I see it more resembling System Shock. Also, 0451 is the code for Morgan's office
And are you guys serious with Dishonored comparisons? Aside from powers and character design, how exactly Prey is Dishonored in space? The structure of the game and the way the powers are designed clearly makes it different from Dishonored.
And no, there is no alternate timelines shit in Prey. You get to choose Morgan's gender and that's it.
And are you guys serious with Dishonored comparisons? Aside from powers and character design, how exactly Prey is Dishonored in space? The structure of the game and the way the powers are designed clearly makes it different from Dishonored.
And no, there is no alternate timelines shit in Prey. You get to choose Morgan's gender and that's it.
According to Bioshock Infinite
"There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city." If these constants are present in Prey, namely a lighthouse, it doesn't matter what the variables are, it could be in the Bioshock universe. Prey could be one of infinite possibilities.
CuNi
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And here I was worried it was only me. I don't even know why they went for that name. Maybe I am a bit salty because I really liked the original game and am just disappointed with the discontinuation of said game.
But can't shake the feeling this is the result when dishonored and bioshock had a baby..
ROUGE_BLOCK
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100% this is the new Bioshock game not called Bioshock from not of the makers of Bioshock, System Shock, Ken Levine or published by 2K.
Like it's literally just using the word Prey to cash in on a familiar license, yet is doing nothing in the vein of the original. Prey should be Doom in space from my perspective, that's what made it si fun a throwback to old shooters, but now with Wolfenstein and the new Doom, Bethesda got take that Bioshock feel before 2K gets back to the punch and they have.
Prey 2 still looked more interesting but that's me, this game could be really good still it's just not jiving with me.
Like it's literally just using the word Prey to cash in on a familiar license, yet is doing nothing in the vein of the original. Prey should be Doom in space from my perspective, that's what made it si fun a throwback to old shooters, but now with Wolfenstein and the new Doom, Bethesda got take that Bioshock feel before 2K gets back to the punch and they have.
Prey 2 still looked more interesting but that's me, this game could be really good still it's just not jiving with me.
But what about 451, the actual proper code?
TheRedSnifit
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Whenever I play SS these days, I always get briefly confused at that keypad because I'm always used to seeing 0451.
Rexatality
Member
Well, I sure hope the eventual Prey 2017 OT doesn't get infested with "Where's my Prey 2?" or "Why the name?" shitposting, but I'm expecting the worst.
Losing Prey 2 is a shame, but it would be nice not to bring it up in every thread related to Arkane's Prey
We generally think it's a good name, but admittedly, it's a completely different animal from the 2006 game. There's a Polygon article here where Pete and Raf talk about the title, but having spent a lot of time reading through Prey posts, it sounds like it's going to be a sticking point.
Maybe we can call the game something else here in the forums? I can talk to our artists about getting some official Gaf packaging.
Probably can't include System Shock in the name... or any references to MC Hammer.Can't believe I missed the 0451 reference... that's something I talked to Harvey and Raf about a few years back at lunch in Austin.
Beyond the game title, let me know if there's our team can clarify.
Lord Frieza
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And wasn't the first game kind of a flop, too? Do it's like there's not even significant brand recognition. It is weird.
Lord Frieza
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We generally think it's a good name, but admittedly, it's a completely different animal from the 2006 game. There's a Polygon article here where Pete and Raf talk about the title, but having spent a lot of time reading through Prey posts, it sounds like it's going to be a sticking point.
Maybe we can call the game something else here in the forums? I can talk to our artists about getting some official Gaf packaging.
Can't believe I missed the 0451 reference... that's something I talked to Harvey and Raf about a few years back at lunch in Austin.
Beyond the game title, let me know if there's our team can clarify.
I mean it's a cool name, it's just weird they opted to use that trademark on something 100% unrelated to the original title, that's all. I don't think it's a big deal personally.
Rexatality
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We generally think it's a good name, but admittedly, it's a completely different animal from the 2006 game. There's a Polygon article here where Pete and Raf talk about the title, but having spent a lot of time reading through Prey posts, it sounds like it's going to be a sticking point.
Maybe we can call the game something else here in the forums? I can talk to our artists about getting some official Gaf packaging.
Can't believe I missed the 0451 reference... that's something I talked to Harvey and Raf about a few years back at lunch in Austin.
Beyond the game title, let me know if there's our team can clarify.
What about Typhon as a name? Sounds good?
Lord Frieza
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What about Typhon as a name? Sounds good?
Typreyhon
Well I'm glad you came.
Soulblighter31 posted some good links if you care to learn more.
This is a joke post right?
InquisitorAles
Member
Same here. Come on people, if you for some reason still never played System Shock 2, it's definitely a great time to do this while you waiting for Prey.
John Kowalski
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Out of the last three prominent immersive sims (counting this one, Dishonored 2 and Deus Ex) this one looks the most interesting to me. Looks like it might do some interesting twists with it's narrative. I also like the aesthetics very much plus it has Mick Gordon doing the score. That's a lot of thing going for it already. It also seems to release at a reasonable time, or at least I can't think of anything else I might want when this releases.
Rexatality
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FWIW, he did personally hope that Prey fails miserably, so don't take him seriously when it comes to the game
TenCentCoast
Banned
Are they actually going the immersive sim route with this? Because damn I'm playing Mankind Divided right now and I want another more modern IS.
Also, anyone who things System Shock 2 is easy to go back to now, especially if you haven't been exposed to anything really like it before, is delusional.
Yes, absolutely.
FWIW, he did personally hope that Prey fails miserably, so don't take him seriously when it comes to the game
They are not the only one, we have the Prey 2 fanboy hit squad out in full force on this forum.