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So are we 100% sure PREY is not actually a new Bioshock?
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Rexatality
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Yes. You can explore anywhere across the space station (Not level-based like Dishonored), you got human and alien abilities that lets you mix up encounters or solve problems in any way you see fit (Wanna turn into a coffee cup to enter a locked security station? You can)
Funyarinpa
Member
Holy fuck
ModernBoxes
Banned
You know you're old when you hear the Bioshock term being thrown around for Prey instead of recognizing it as the immersive sim genre (Deus Ex, System shock).
Prey is being made by Arkane and industry vets, no doubt. Including those from Bioshock. It's going to be good.
Prey is being made by Arkane and industry vets, no doubt. Including those from Bioshock. It's going to be good.
TenCentCoast
Banned
Gah. You guys are making me too excited for this.
tkscz
Member
System shock?
Screw this game now.
By the way, PC Gamer recently put up a round table discussion about immersive sims featuring these guys:
I thought it was a fantastic listen, there's some stuff in there about Prey's design as well. Harvey said Prey (this new one) was the best thing he's ever played, though he's obviously a tad biased.
I played SS2 for the first time last year and it 100% held up, but there's definitely a few things in there that were smartly streamlined for Bioshock.
Rexatality
Member
To be fair, not a lot of people played System Shock 1/2 and Deus Ex didn't age well. And the art-style of Talos-1 space station does resemble Bioshock in some ways.
You're welcome. Mind you, I didn't play the game personally, but I've been keeping a close eye on it. So if you have any questions about Prey, feel free to ask.
Relax. 0451 is code for Morgan's office
VindicatorZ
Member
I had no idea this game even existed. Wtf? I remember the Prey 2 CGI trailer all those years ago, and now this is a reboot? Where the hell have I been?
But the game looks pretty damn good! I really hope there's VR support at some point, it looks like it would be an amazing game in VR.
But the game looks pretty damn good! I really hope there's VR support at some point, it looks like it would be an amazing game in VR.
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Rexatality
Member
To be fair, Pete and Raf have no qualms lying to interviewers, so that Polygon interview isn't very reassuring.
You guys called Arkane's game Prey because it would be "adding risk to the challenge of growth," and you would lose the name if you didn't use it. After Zenimax attempted to bankrupt Human Head Studios, the series creators, when they refused to sell to Zenimax, you had to start over again or the rights would revert to Radar Group/Scott Miller.
AFAIK, sadly, they dropped several things because they were deemed "too hardcore":
So yeah, now it could really be nothing more than "bioshock in space".
Rexatality
Member
They said a dozen of times they wanna add them (weapon degradation, trauma system) back to the game (As an optional difficulty setting at the very least), so it's not like they removed them forever.
But let's be honest, weapon degradation is crutch rather than a fun mechanic most of the time.
Looking at the games listed in the Giant Bomb wiki page, it turns out I actually love a bunch of the games here in this genre. Whoops.
Not sure how I missed ever hearing the term
A trademark expiring due to non-use doesn't mean the IP rights have been relinquished. That's just a rather common misunderstanding.
teacupcopter
Banned
I don't understand, what does this game have to do with the original prey anymore anyway?
The rights would revert back to Radar Group if certain conditions weren't met within a specific time frame. That's why Pete refused to say Prey 2 was cancelled until late 2012, despite the game being shelved in mid-2012.
Rexatality
Member
Nothing. It's just a reimagining of the series. Not that the original Prey had a strong brand, anyways.
Atom Heart Mother
Banned
Still upset that the protag of the new Prey isn't even Native American. That was my favorite aspect of Prey (2006). The cool Native American lore tied into the game made it really special.
Rexatality
Member
FWIW, Morgan Yu is Asian.
The source of that information is apparently a GAFer's post, who claimed to have a source within Bethesda, but it would only make sense if the IP were licensed rather than purchased, and it was purchased.
Edit: Actually, this is the pertinent quote:
There never was a Prey 2 IP; Prey 2 was part of the Prey IP, just as Doom 2 and Doom 3 are members of the Doom family. I mean, there is some nuance in that owning an IP doesn't necessarily mean you own the games themselves (e.g. the situation with Bayonetta, where Sega owns the IP but Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2 in particular as it funded development), however he's unmistakably talking about brand ownership rather than copyright. Additionally, the implication that Doom and Wolfenstein could potentially revert back to id if the studio weren't part of the Zenimax stable makes it quite clear he was getting his wires crossed with trademark expiration (not that an expired trademark automatically reverts to the previous owner).
Atom Heart Mother
Banned
Eh, still prefer Native American. It's what I associate Prey with. Not to mention it has some really cool asthetic to it
Finally got my hands on this and I was totally wrong, I apologize.
Could argue it's lightly inspired by Bioshock in many ways, but the wood paneled 80 office feel is pretty damn awesome and the pace is much slower and more exploratory than Bioshock.
Feels really unique and actually a pretty huge step beyond Bioshock with the RPG elements and open world.
So yeah don't judge a book by its cover I guess, rely love the style it has.
Could argue it's lightly inspired by Bioshock in many ways, but the wood paneled 80 office feel is pretty damn awesome and the pace is much slower and more exploratory than Bioshock.
Feels really unique and actually a pretty huge step beyond Bioshock with the RPG elements and open world.
So yeah don't judge a book by its cover I guess, rely love the style it has.
Funyarinpa
Member
Damn it, being unable to run this game at any respectable speed is going to hurt
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
Can we all agree the 0451 code is synonymous with immersive sims?
So it is Bioshock as it could have been, perhaps SHOULD have been, but not as it became?
The demo does give the impression of going in the direction I'd have wanted Infinite to go instead, gameplay wise. Partially anyway, I'd like the existing civilization bit that goes a bit crazy at times, or is more Wild West then hell hole.
MrCunningham
Member
Yeah, it feels like a new System Shock to me as well. This should come to no surprise though, as Dishonored 1 and 2 are essentially spiritual successors to the original Thief series. Arkane Studios is following in the footsteps of Looking Glass.
Green Ninja
Banned
I don't blame them. What Bethesda did with Human Head was really fucked up.
Whatever it is, it's certainly nothing like Prey. I still can't believe nobody wanted to pick up where Prey 1 left off. First we get a game that at least had some connection to the original. It gets cancelled, and now we have a new System Shock. That's fine, but it's certainly not Prey.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Neither was Prey 2, as awesome as it looked. Could have easily been a brand new IP.
True, though story-wise it was connected to Prey at least.
Tommy entered the portal and was never heard from again. The end.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Don't get me wrong, I love it when devs take a series in a new direction, especially when it looks as unique as that game did. I wish more publishers would embrace that level of risk and creativity when it comes to established IP.
CMojicaAce
Member
Yo same here! I thought it was supposed to be another horror game, which I have no interest in. The screenshots look beautiful and the premise I just read about it sounds interesting.
8bitForLife
Member
Does it have nothing to do with original prey? If it doesn't why are they using the name. I was hoping for a sequel to it I loved the native American protagonist.
ah, now I remember Prey besides vagina doors. Man, it was a bore. This, however, looks like it has a chance of being an actual decent game
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I remember getting the original Prey on release. Attack of the Show's Kevin Pereira had the original game reserved for quite a long time. I remember it had been in development for 10 years or something.
I was sad they canned Prey 2 at one time, but in all honesty this is much better than what they wanted to do if you ask me.
BioShock/System Shock/etc or not, the sci-fi element in space sounds awesome. I'm looking forward to it.
It sorta reminded of when X-Com was once a FPS.
I was sad they canned Prey 2 at one time, but in all honesty this is much better than what they wanted to do if you ask me.
BioShock/System Shock/etc or not, the sci-fi element in space sounds awesome. I'm looking forward to it.
It sorta reminded of when X-Com was once a FPS.
I was sad they canned Prey 2 at one time, but in all honesty this is much better than what they wanted to do if you ask me.
BioShock/System Shock/etc or not, the sci-fi element in space sounds awesome. I'm looking forward to it.
It sorta reminded of when X-Com was once a FPS.
Nope.
Prey 2 seemed like one of a kind. This seems like knockoff System Shock, which is fine, but feels like a lesser idea.
Rexatality
Member
At this point, they make as well make Prey into an anthology series