TheContact
Member
Can you talk about your decision not to sell? I know it was brought up so I’m not sure if that’s an essay’s worth of an answer or not.
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So, Evilore
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The e3 before the big drama GAF was down for 30 seconds. it hold with FFVII Remake... but it didn't hold with Shenmue 3.
nush
Gold Member
MetalAlien
Banned
Don't you remember? That hacker was taking down gaf and the only way to stop him was to temp ban all of Australia because that is where he was at.
I felt a responsibility to the community and to the gaming scene at large to keep NeoGAF neutral and independent. It was being used as a primary news and discussion aggregator and had a lot of influence, even though it wasn’t generating much revenue. Lots of indie devs implored me not to sell, since they had gained traction through GAF after being summarily ignored by the mainstream gaming press. I took all that and all the love from the users on my shoulders and couldn’t justify selling out to a big corporation that would wring it dry.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Yup I've experienced what happens when a site is sold and it's always a bad idea. They promise everything, but within a year the site will either be dead or unrecognizable.
Hell, I think Collider even bought themselves back. From what I understand, Frosty sold it to Complex, but then bought it back to take it back independent.
Selling out is always a bad idea if you actually care about what you built and want to see it continue.
Shouta
Member
Shizumapower
Member
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Is GAF backed up to tape?Server migration took a lot of considerations and planing, but after that all was straight forward.
I think the best achievement was reducing the migration time of a 150GB database from 24+hours to less than 3h.
And is not nerve racking... is just boring waiting for it to finish
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I'm glad to see the place recovering but I have to ask, why did you let SonyGAF ruin the gaming side?
MetalAlien
Banned
So you don't remember? You've been here longer than me!
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Tbh it was part of the fun. If gaf crashed you knew a megaton was dropped
ManaByte
Gold Member
I vaguely remember the Australia thing.
I am consistently amazed by your ability to not curl up into a ball and quit
EviLore
. Shit, it's what I expected. Makes my depression over other things seem laughable.
I also want to say I never would have joined under the old GAF, even well before the exodus. The moderation now has improved to the point that this is the best forum I've seen in terms of free discussion (without becoming a complete shithole). What you all are doing is working.
The exodus was rough, but I kept regularly lurking here because the whole situation came off as ridiculous. The biggest disappointment was in how many posters actually left, I honestly figured only 30-50% would leave. So glad I never fully bought into Era.
My biggest question is just how you managed to push forward? Did you have anyone (or multiple somebodies) that really helped support you? Did you ever think about ending the site, and if so what convinced you not to?
EviLore
. Shit, it's what I expected. Makes my depression over other things seem laughable.I also want to say I never would have joined under the old GAF, even well before the exodus. The moderation now has improved to the point that this is the best forum I've seen in terms of free discussion (without becoming a complete shithole). What you all are doing is working.
The exodus was rough, but I kept regularly lurking here because the whole situation came off as ridiculous. The biggest disappointment was in how many posters actually left, I honestly figured only 30-50% would leave. So glad I never fully bought into Era.
My biggest question is just how you managed to push forward? Did you have anyone (or multiple somebodies) that really helped support you? Did you ever think about ending the site, and if so what convinced you not to?
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Papa
Banned
Well, they think they’re women
MetalAlien
Banned
S
slugbahr
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe for the golden children
MaestroMike
Member
i'm kinda annoyed that teamxbox was like sold to IGN or whatever it was one of my first forums in middle school i remember it was fun posting there when the first Xbox was released
Silentbomber
Neo Member
Yeah GAF at the moment feels more like classic GAF compared to whatever it was around 2016. Era inherited all the shit.
My questions to Evilore are:
1. How do you intend to stop what happened before from happening again ?
2. Do you regret not implementing GAF GOLD sooner, I assume it would have done very well even before the split - which would sort out any revenue issues. Or maybe it would give the toxic community another bullshit reason to do whatever they wish.
I appreciate everything you have done for this community so far, especially after the trying times of the split. Hopefully we are seeing the results of genuine thought vs outrage culture.
My questions to Evilore are:
1. How do you intend to stop what happened before from happening again ?
2. Do you regret not implementing GAF GOLD sooner, I assume it would have done very well even before the split - which would sort out any revenue issues. Or maybe it would give the toxic community another bullshit reason to do whatever they wish.
I appreciate everything you have done for this community so far, especially after the trying times of the split. Hopefully we are seeing the results of genuine thought vs outrage culture.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
you can def get it
haxan7
Volunteered as Tribute
A vagina is just a penis turned inside out
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I'm guessing majority of those 75k posts were just "wow", "yikes", "oof", or "fuck ____".
nush
Gold Member
I cant see that it would have been accepted any earlier by anyone. It was only once crowdfunding and then Patreon that it became normalized and people were happy to throw a few bucks in the hat to support content providers. If you go back to when Wikipedia started to run funding drives they were mocked at lot.
SpartanN92
Banned
Speak for yourself. I miss it desperately
I went from 2013-2016 and had a blast every year.I briefly met
EviLore
one of those years.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
There was bio video about NeoGAF and it had Cliff and misc people talking about it. To my knowledge those people only got on here for some sorta conflict with another person. It never felt like they were on here to talk about playing game(s). It was where they checked their social standing with a large user base.
Which makes me feel like they’re all sorta eating their words now. You can clearly see a large presence of people who are interested in the market, who pay money for the product, and spend a lot of time enjoying/playing games.
Which makes me feel like they’re all sorta eating their words now. You can clearly see a large presence of people who are interested in the market, who pay money for the product, and spend a lot of time enjoying/playing games.
MetalAlien
Banned
One day GAF will make it big. I gave Gary Whitta shit for not wearing a GAF shirt when he was interviewed on TV. Ne nice if Tony Stark or something was wearing a GAF shirt in some future marvel flashback.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
My man! Teamxbox was the shit back in the day, especially around the launch of the 360 and the ilovebees Halo puzzles. I solved one of the puzzles on teamxbox and was the first person to do so, that was my internet 15 minutes of fame
It all went to shit with Kinect, as the rabid shills and fanboys moved in and the revenue streams moved out.
In the end, it was the same arguments between MW, Bgamer90, the Wicther guy and that nob with the andy dick avatar.
It's a shame, it's a damned shame.
Papa
Banned
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
The cancer removed itself
And people say miracles aren't real.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
I reckon another 5 years and we will be back on top. I just hope that staff and mods remember how badly things can go wrong and protect against it.
Anyway next gen is coming and I’m sure that will bring some newbies. Come on in the waters lovely!
Anyway next gen is coming and I’m sure that will bring some newbies. Come on in the waters lovely!
DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
I like it this way. I joined about a year or so before the drama. I was nervous to even post. I was scared to piss off the crazies and worried they would use my work email that I had to use to make my life hell. All because I didn't agree.
Mista
Banned
ManaByte
Gold Member
I'd love the forum to be as active as it used to be, but without the crazies running it. It'd be the best of both worlds.
Arimer
Member
From what I've seen the extreme left hates everyone and everything. While loosely aligned with each other they also can't stop being attention whores which leads to infighting etc and eventually a schism. Hell look at what's going on right now in their promised land of resetera. Everyone thinks everyone else is out to get them. They've already had exodus's twice. Everyone is so afraid to say anything because of power mods or stepping on a progressive landmine..
personally I had never been on Gaf before the split because of the reputation of it. I joined afterwards and I've had some pretty good conversations here. Numbers are down but its growing and I think ultimately it'll come out stronger for it.
I am consistently amazed by your ability to not curl up into a ball and quit
I also want to say I never would have joined under the old GAF, even well before the exodus. The moderation now has improved to the point that this is the best forum I've seen in terms of free discussion (without becoming a complete shithole). What you all are doing is working.
The exodus was rough, but I kept regularly lurking here because the whole situation came off as ridiculous. The biggest disappointment was in how many posters actually fully left, I honestly figured only 30-50% would actually leave. So glad I never fully bought into Era.
My biggest question is just how you managed to push forward? Did you have anyone (or multiple somebodies) that really helped support you? Did you ever think about ending the site, and if so what convinced you not to?
Thanks. Quitting wasn't an option as far as I was concerned, so it was just about figuring out the rest. I absolutely had support from the remaining team members while I was emotionally frazzled from the cancellation. They held the place together through all the hellish gay porn bombs that Reset members threw at the site en masse, and I brought in moderation contractors for a while as soon as I could to relieve them, at which point we started figuring out the details of next steps. After that I focused on the software migration to Xenforo as had been originally scheduled for the same week that the drama ended up blowing the whole place up.
What is the history behind this image?
Is this evilore right?!
Yeah, that's me. Kickstarter reward for supporting Pillars of Eternity.
Ownage
Member
Remaining anonymous, I'll confirm that devs in many west coast studios still frequent here and ham it up. Some of us have taken a lesser role in the industry after 20 yrs, but still give love and reminisce about the days of prime E3, GAF and the laughing gif :lol.
Anyone else attend the 2001 Xbox party at Palladium with Third Eye Blind, Blink 182, Chemical Brothers and the mosh pit? Those naked dancers in showers... Why can't we have more nice things?
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Slings and Arrows
Banned
Assisted by outside forcesThe cancer removed itself
ManaByte
Gold Member
Because Kotaku
Ownage
Member
Eggsplain
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Slings and Arrows
Banned
E3 went to shit when they banned booth babes.
ManaByte
Gold Member
If any E3 booth dares to have booth babes anymore, Kotaku will cancel the company that did it and Reeeee will follow right along..
Thabass
Member
Oh great, now you reminded me of all the White Wolf parties that CCP used to throw during GDCs.... I miss those parties.
Jooxed
Gold Member
That's one thing I was curious about too.. I very rarely see any mods interacting with us peons except for Evilore and occasionally Dgrayson