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Something feels off about Xbox Series X unveiling , a month later & it still don't feel like a next generation console was unveiled

stitch1

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People saying the Wii U failed because of the name are silly. The Wii U failed for a lot of reasons. The Wii was a fad that was long over. The Wii U was also expensive and we were already in fully rumor mode for the PS4 and Xbox one.

Too expensive for casuals and lacking power for the "hardcore". Sure the name and marketing didn't help.
 
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Coulomb_Barrier

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If Sony had the same strategy as MS recently (all XB1 exclusives on PC, no launch Series X exclusives at all) I would drop all interest.

As it is, Sony is ramping up first party whereas MS is on a different path, presumably heading towards exiting the hardware space and becoming s multiplatform software provider. Problem is you need games for that, games that people want to play.
 
Gavin Stevens

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You’re essentially in the pre-wedding stage.

One has sent out invites, the other has posted a picture of the engagement ring.

Neither have tied the knot on the big day yet, which is what you all are waiting for.
 
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GymWolf

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They only show the look of the console, it wasn't a real full fledged presentation...
Hard to be excited about a piece of plastic if you dont know what you have inside the box or what games you can play on it.
 
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TBiddy

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
As it is, Sony is ramping up first party whereas MS is on a different path, presumably heading towards exiting the hardware space and becoming s multiplatform software provider. Problem is you need games for that, games that people want to play.
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Microsoft has bought numerous new studios, and yet you're arguing that Microsoft isn't "ramping up first party" and that Microsoft has "no games people want to play"?

Jesus.
 
DynamiteCop!

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CurryPanda said:
Maybe if they talked about FP16 butterfly design he would be more impressed.
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Yeah all that Vega RPM FP16 secret sauce that would make the Pro 8.4 Teraflops...

That sure panned out

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Coulomb_Barrier

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TBiddy said:
Microsoft has bought numerous new studios, and yet you're arguing that Microsoft isn't "ramping up first party" and that Microsoft has "no games people want to play"?

Jesus.
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People have been telling me this for the past 3 years. Picking up budget studios on the verge of closing is not a positive statement of intent. On the other hand, buying proven, AAA studios like Sony's acquisition of Insomniac certainly is. The problem is, believe it or not, Xbox has a smaller budget than Sony pumps into PS, and boy has that been made clear the past 4 years.
 
Boss Mog

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It's because MS didn't show anything besides the look of the system which really isn't that revealing. If you remember in February 2013 when Sony unveiled the PS4 they only talked specs and showed lots of games in development. The actual look of the PS4 wasn't unveiled until E3 later that year.

What matters and gets people excited is to see those next gen games but MS failed to do so with their reveal.
 
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Coulomb_Barrier said:
People have been telling me this for the past 3 years. Picking up budget studios on the verge of closing is not a positive statement of intent. On the other hand, buying proven, AAA studios like Sony's acquisition of Insomniac certainly is. The problem is, believe it or not, Xbox has a smaller budget than Sony pumps into PS, and boy has that been made clear the past 4 years.
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Jesus. To say that Playground Games is a budget studio?
Seriously?
 
MilkyJoe

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
People have been telling me this for the past 3 years. Picking up budget studios on the verge of closing is not a positive statement of intent. On the other hand, buying proven, AAA studios like Sony's acquisition of Insomniac certainly is. The problem is, believe it or not, Xbox has a smaller budget than Sony pumps into PS, and boy has that been made clear the past 4 years.
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Boss Mog said:
It's because MS didn't show anything besides the look of the system which really isn't that revealing. If you remember in February 2013 when Sony unveiled the PS4 they only talked specs and showed lots of games in development. The actual look of the PS4 wasn't unveiled until E3 later that year.

What matters and gets people excited is to see those next gen games but MS failed to do so with their reveal.
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Pretty sure they showed Hellblade 2
 
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Bernkastel

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
People have been telling me this for the past 3 years. Picking up budget studios on the verge of closing is not a positive statement of intent. On the other hand, buying proven, AAA studios like Sony's acquisition of Insomniac certainly is. The problem is, believe it or not, Xbox has a smaller budget than Sony pumps into PS, and boy has that been made clear the past 4 years.
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The Microsoft strategy you are now hating is how Sony did acquisitions in the past. They bought small but talented studios like Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, Sucker Punch and Bend and turned them into what they are today. If Sony bought Remedy(or Microsoft bought From Software), it will bring nothing to the table but lock their games to a platform.
 
TBiddy

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
People have been telling me this for the past 3 years. Picking up budget studios on the verge of closing is not a positive statement of intent. On the other hand, buying proven, AAA studios like Sony's acquisition of Insomniac certainly is. The problem is, believe it or not, Xbox has a smaller budget than Sony pumps into PS, and boy has that been made clear the past 4 years.
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You're moving the goalposts now.

You made a statement that Microsoft isn't "ramping up the first party", when the opposite is objectively true. Microsoft has bought seven studios since 2018. How is that not "ramping up"?

Your comment about "budget studios on the verge of closing", while referring to Ninja Theory, Playground and Obsidian, amongst others, is just plain trolling at this point. Not that it surprises anyone, coming from you.

PS. What is the yearly budget for the Xbox division and what is the yearly budget for the Playstation division? You must have the numbers, right?
 
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DynamiteCop!

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TBiddy said:
You're moving the goalposts now.

You made a statement that Microsoft isn't "ramping up the first party", when the opposite is objectively true. Microsoft has bought seven studios since 2018. How is that not "ramping up"?

Your comment about "budget studios on the verge of closing", while referring to Ninja Theory, Playground and Obsidian, amongst others, is just plain trolling at this point. Not that it surprises anyone, coming from you.
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Also they haven't only bought more studios, they've opened up other studios within a couple.
 
Dontero

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onQ123 said:
Less about the new console generation but more about the extension of the software beyond generations.
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This is MS strategy. Make consoles into PC/mobile.

You don't ask which generation of phone you need to buy in order to play X game. You buy phone with hardware capable of that. Console generations made sense when hardware was scarce and technology that went into it was adhoc on demand like case of PS1, PS2 and PS3.

PS4 is medium PC from 2013. If you would ask PC player that he can't play 2020 games on 2013 PC he would look at you like and idiot. He will just drop some details and just continue playing.

It makes no sense to buy separate version of Gundungeon on PS3 and PS4 and PS5. Games will have just "minimal console requirements: Playstation 4 etc"
 
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SuperLupeRap

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
People have been telling me this for the past 3 years. Picking up budget studios on the verge of closing is not a positive statement of intent. On the other hand, buying proven, AAA studios like Sony's acquisition of Insomniac certainly is. The problem is, believe it or not, Xbox has a smaller budget than Sony pumps into PS, and boy has that been made clear the past 4 years.
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MS has more studios than Sony. End of discussion.
 
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HelpYouFall

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Look at y'all fighting again because you embrace companies trying to make you 'pick a side' in this and in the process defend all their anti consumer nonsense. It's become like rooting for a sports team and you lap it up.
Fools haha
 
Mattyp

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DeltaPolarBear said:
i am guaranteeing that Microsoft never once intentionally decided that Scarlet would have no exclusives until 1 year after. That there was no decisions made, it was forced on them once the studios fall behind. And that anything they say to justify it is just talk.

And all the massive threads discussing game quality of cross gen games is entirely irrelevent, because since microsoft didn't plan for any of this, there was no stratedgy and there is no point discussing if it was a good decision or not. There was no decision made to begin with.
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You're talking absolute shit.

We are getting games at launch built on engines that are being used for "next gen" and every iteration to come, those games are still launching day one they could of easily killed the past console support. You're saying the studios fell behind, how? We're still getting launch titles on next gen engines.
 
DynamiteCop!

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Mattyp said:
You're talking absolute shit.

We are getting games at launch built on engines that are being used for "next gen" and every iteration to come, those games are still launching day one they could of easily killed the past console support. You're saying the studios fell behind, how? We're still getting launch titles on next gen engines.
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No, no, no, he's right. 343 Industries obviously just spent 5 years building the Slipspace engine and Halo Infinite so the Xbox One could hold it back.
 
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onQ123

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HelpYouFall said:
Look at y'all fighting again because you embrace companies trying to make you 'pick a side' in this and in the process defend all their anti consumer nonsense. It's become like rooting for a sports team and you lap it up.
Fools haha
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How is this anti consumer? this is pro consumer because if you buy the software you know it's going to work better if you decide to upgrade to newer hardware in a few years and you also know that you're not going to be left behind when the new hardware comes out because the new games will still work.
 
Journey

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onQ123 said:
As much as people hated the Xbox One unveiling with all the TV , TV , TV stuff & Kinect 2.0 it still felt like something new compared to Xbox 360 good or bad. But with the Xbox Series X unveiling they was more like this is the new Xbox it play Xbox games but better than the older Xbox.


I kinda feel like this was intentional on Microsoft behalf making new console launches less of a big event & more of a biennial upgrade to fit your needs.
This could be a good thing for Xbox if they can push the message that if you buy a Xbox game you're not stuck with the hardware that it was released with .


Less about the new console generation but more about the extension of the software beyond generations.


Xbox games vs PS4 , PS5 , PS6 , PS7 games
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Have you seen all the new features and what they're capable of changing in games? The presence of an SSD being used as fast access system memory alone will have a considerable impact on the pace of gameplay and overall experience, not just visuals
 
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onQ123

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DynamiteCop! said:
Bit of an oversight, eh? They go from the PlayStation 4 to turning their mid-gen console into the Xbox One while MS ended up doing the opposite.
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It was a mid gen upgrade much like the slim consoles that come out a few years later it would have been dumb of them to push the price up for a console that was only going to sell a few million.


PS4 Pro most likely made Sony more profit than Xbox One X made Microsoft
 
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sinnergy

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onQ123 said:
It was a mid gen upgrade much like the slim consoles that come out a few years later it would have been dumb of them to push the price up for a console that was only going to sell a few million.


PS4 Pro most likely made Sony more profit than Xbox One X made Microsoft
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And you care because you have Sony stock? Who cares really... it’s about the games ...
 
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The form factor of the console told me immediately that it was going to be a next-gen console
 
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