...Well if it had spikes, then it wasn't bottomless, was it?
Smartass response aside, play Sonic 2 and then Sonic Advance 1 or 2 immediately after. You'll see the difference. (Adv2 has a bottomless pit in every zone, I think. Let's check that.)
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Smartass response aside, play Sonic 2 and then Sonic Advance 1 or 2 immediately after. You'll see the difference. (Adv2 has a bottomless pit in every zone, I think. Let's check that.)
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
It rewarded memorization to get through stages quickly. But punishing the player by hurting them or dropping them down pits was not at all characteristic of the old level design.
Sub-720p. 880x720 exactly for Unleashed I believe. Not sure about Generations but considering they're built off of the same engine and look similar, they ought to be identical.
Solid SOAP
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I'm hoping that this game gets people excited for it just as it is Sonic fans, because these are the type of 2nd/3rd party games Nintendo are gonna need to sell their system. Seeing a great Sonic game standing tall next to the likes of Mario, Zelda, and Smash Bros. should do wonders to sell the Wii U, so I'm hoping that this isn't going to be brushed off as "just another Sonic", but as one of the Wii U's big new games.
It's mechanically a bottomless pit, it's death. But you know what I'm saying.
880x720
edit: too slow
Sonic has been about trial and error since the very beginning. The original classics relied on momentum based gameplay and by doing well you were rewarded with speed. This is nothing new. Bottomless pits out of nowhere is fucking Sonic.
Uh, no. Sonic 1 was rife with pits, but in Sonic 2 and 3 they were rather rare. You're thinking of 3D Sonic and Dimps Sonic.
That pit in Mystic Cave is an exception, not the rule.
I think the amount of care being put into this one will definitely change a few more people's mind about Wii U and Sonic than the last two entries have. (which were good games)
Really love that it seems like the levels were be formed due to gameplay mechanics rather than relying on asthetics. It's hard to describe, but it seemed like previous Sonic games relied far more on looking pretty than being fun. If the animals coming back is any indication, this really is a sort of back-to-basics type of Sonic.
I dont know what happens during the execution, because a lot of the recent boss battles have really interesting concepts and design ideas that fall flat when you actually play them.
Boss fights like the Rotatron, Perfect Chaos, and the Egg Dragoon sound really fun and neat if you were to describe them. Then you play them and they turn out kind of iffy.
Nocturnowl
Member
I've got to agree for the most part, and that includes the spoiler.
I do enjoy most of Sonic CD's take on bosses though.
As for bottomless pits in early Sonic titles, they're mostly pit free, which is also why Wing Fortress is a pile of poop that arrives in time to tarnish the end of Sonic 2.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I said with a few exceptions.
Mario 64 and the Galaxy games had some cool ones as well, but ultimately the majority of them are so easy that the just aren't that memorable.My favorite Mario boss battle actually is the final bowser battle of NSMBWii. A twist on a classic battle that at the time was pretty darn surprising and mind-blowing (IMO).
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Even when we unite, we still are divided.
Seven Force
Banned
The reward for memorizing stages in the classic games was usually a shorter route throughout the level. If you failed, well, it was going to take you slightly longer to get through the level.
The reward in the later 2D games was, well... not dying. If you fail, tough shit buddy, you just lost a life.
Gimmicks, enemies and spikes would have been a more appropriate thing to say. Tons of stuff kills your speed till you have a feel for a stage.
I don't recall constantly running into enemies just because I'm running. Their placement is usually fair (although there are some exceptions)
Come to think of it... I can't recall any either.
Hero of Legend
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Woah.
Get this shit on 1280x720 + AA + 60fps and we got Next Gen Sonic folks.
The weaker graphics (mostly lower polys in places like the yellow disco moon thing) and obviously the sheer simplicity ala Mario Galaxy should allow it, plus consider the much more subtle lighting. We could be seeing a focus on how what's there is presented, not how good the stuff that's there is.
I'll pour some tea for all the headaches I just caused. XD
Much prefer cleaner graphics than uber detail that's muddy and dragging the framerate.
You're probably getting neither of those things though, lol.
Seven Force
Banned
There's the huge one at the beginning of Metallic Madness 3, but that's all that comes to mind.
Nocturnowl
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There's a really awful one right near the end of the game before the final boss but that aside I think it's actually pit free now I think about it.
The exploration focus of CD wouldn't really mesh well with pits,
and it doesn't mesh well with the gameplay the game has anyway
I said with a few exceptions.
My favorite Mario boss battle actually is the final bowser battle of NSMBWii. A twist on a classic battle that at the time was pretty darn surprising and mind-blowing (IMO).
I just tried to explain my point, I know we are not really disagreeing with each other^^.
There's a chance since it's not going to be a multi system release.
Gunstar Ikari
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Though they're not all bottomless pits, almost every act in Sonic 4 ends with a "get this right or you die" segment.
if mario galaxy could push 60fps i don't see any reason why this sonic game can't be
Colors was also 30fps, that doesn't matter.
The card flipping platforms in Ep 1... and those stupid Walruses in Ep 2. *shudders*
So? This game looks much less complex than Sonic Generations, so there's a chance it can be 60fps on Wii U. Not to mention the GPU on the Wii U is apparently somewhat better than the 360/PS3's. (Although the CPU is weaker)
sonic 3 yeah, sonic 2, not so much.
The last 2 levels in sonic 2 are one gigantic bottomless pit.
airmangataosenai
Member
Colors was a side project to Generations, Iizuka literally had it made because he felt Generations wouldn't be proper on the Wii. I still say it's possible, doesn't mean it'll happen, though.
Hero of Legend
Member
Heroes.
It ran in PERFECT 60fps on GameCube and I think Xbox (only tried the Xbox version for a moment, it supported 720p!), PS2 was a nightmare.
Shadow I think started the downhill slump, but it was clearly rushed in the first place.
Zero Gravity on Wii is the last perfect 60fps Sonic game, never tried the PS2 version.
I distinctly remember only one, which is at the final act of Metallic Madness. Sonic CD not having bottomless pits is probably a design choice made so it wouldn't hamper the time travel mechanic.
Colors was made by the Storybook Team as a small pet project that was aimed "for kids" while Sega's focus was on Sonic 4 and Generations. The engine was most likely based off of the Black Knight engine and retooled to work in the Unleashed-style game play. It was probably never in their minds to make it a technical marvel that ran at 60fps. It's probably much easier for Sonic Team to do it now than it was back then.
RussellXV
Member
How about Sonic 4 episodes 1 and 2?
What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up. 60fps would be great, but it doesn't mesh with the way Sega has been developing their games on console recently at all.
Wing Fortess Zone and... ??
This is a silly point. Of course that level is going to be a giant bottomless pit. You're on an airship! Unlike the Dimp games, the pits exists in levels where they should exist in.