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Sonic the Hedgehog 4 - Wii/PS3/360; downloadable episodic release - [Update: $15?]
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DryEyeRelief
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Alphahawk said:
Probably. They got rid of midbosses in the GBA games.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Dubble said:
S3&K had signs after end of level bosses, and if you, by mid-bosses, mean those minibosses that appeared at the end of act 1, those had signs after them too.
Dubble said:
Yeah they did, but Sonic never zoomed past then, watch the trailer again, it's a very pre-Sonic 3 exit...
Also I really wouldn't consider the GBA/DS games anything to go by in terms of how Sonic 4 will play, after all Sonic 3 isn't even remotely like Sonic Chaos
MAtgS said:
Mecha Sonic only appeared in Sonic 2. It's been Metal Sonic ever since then, IMO. Mecha Sonic looks so much different than what's in S&K it's stocky and gray versus lanky and blue.
[edit] okay some Sonic wiki is saying Sonic 2 had "Silver Sonic", S3&K had "Mecha Sonic" and all other forms of a robotic Sonic are called "Metal Sonic". I think that's bollocks since the S3&K robot looks essentially like all the other robotic Sonics besides the Sonic 2 one; hence, only the Sonic 2 robot should have a different name.
otherwise, everything I've ever known will have been a lie. =(
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
MAtgS said:
Actually, wasn't the one in Sonic 2 16-bit called Pseudo Sonic, with Sonic 2 8-bit having Silver Sonic, S3&K having Mecha Sonic and the rest having Metal Sonic/Metallix?
Why do I know such useless shit?
Edit: No, seems like Silver Sonic was in Sonic 2 16-bit too. Pseudo Sonic seems to be some shitty Sonic robot from the comics.
Silver Sonic/Mecha Sonic MK1 (the one that's all grey): Sonic 2 16 Bit, Sonic 2 8 Bit
Mecha Sonic (The tall lanky one that went super): Sonic 3 and Knuckles
Metal Sonic: Sonic CD, Triple Trouble, Sonic Drift 2, Sonic Heroes
The grey Metal Sonic hybrid was sometimes referred to as the being the first Mecha Sonic hence the confusion. That name eventually wound up being dropped at some point. To make it easier and less confusing, the name Silver Sonic was given to him in America, and that is what he is usually referred as to make it less cumbersome. It only appeared in two very early games.
Metal Sonic is the standard version and more well known edition that usually winds up being rebuilt and reused in the current franchise. This is the one that also appeared in the OVA in Japan and first appeared in Sonic CD, only to reappear years later in Sonic Heroes. It's the one also used to the largest extent in the comic book. The MS variant in Heroes with the pointy toed design and elongated spikes was unofficially referred to as "Liquid Metal Sonic" with his final form being Metal Madness/Metal Overlord. The final boss of Knuckles Chaotix (the gigantic red version) is called "Hyper Metal Sonic." We're currently on version 2.0 in continuity.
Mecha Sonic in S3&K was an improved variant of Metal Sonic but NOT the original model. THIS is the version that jumped on the Master Emerald and went super before Sonic and Knuckles destroyed it.
Psuedo Sonic comes from the AoSTH cartoon and was used in the very, VERY, VERY early days of the comic back when it was still silly and had no plot structure. It's often mistaken for Silver Sonic but is not it.
Metal Sonic 3.0 is the version owned by Eggman Nega in Sonic Rivals. I don't have a picture of it but it hasn't been seen or acknowledged since that game since Sega doesn't seem to have an idea of how to fix the Blaze/Silver/Nega clusterfreak that they created with Sonic 2K6/Rivals.
Mecha Sonic (The tall lanky one that went super): Sonic 3 and Knuckles
Metal Sonic: Sonic CD, Triple Trouble, Sonic Drift 2, Sonic Heroes
The grey Metal Sonic hybrid was sometimes referred to as the being the first Mecha Sonic hence the confusion. That name eventually wound up being dropped at some point. To make it easier and less confusing, the name Silver Sonic was given to him in America, and that is what he is usually referred as to make it less cumbersome. It only appeared in two very early games.
Metal Sonic is the standard version and more well known edition that usually winds up being rebuilt and reused in the current franchise. This is the one that also appeared in the OVA in Japan and first appeared in Sonic CD, only to reappear years later in Sonic Heroes. It's the one also used to the largest extent in the comic book. The MS variant in Heroes with the pointy toed design and elongated spikes was unofficially referred to as "Liquid Metal Sonic" with his final form being Metal Madness/Metal Overlord. The final boss of Knuckles Chaotix (the gigantic red version) is called "Hyper Metal Sonic." We're currently on version 2.0 in continuity.
Mecha Sonic in S3&K was an improved variant of Metal Sonic but NOT the original model. THIS is the version that jumped on the Master Emerald and went super before Sonic and Knuckles destroyed it.
Psuedo Sonic comes from the AoSTH cartoon and was used in the very, VERY, VERY early days of the comic back when it was still silly and had no plot structure. It's often mistaken for Silver Sonic but is not it.
Metal Sonic 3.0 is the version owned by Eggman Nega in Sonic Rivals. I don't have a picture of it but it hasn't been seen or acknowledged since that game since Sega doesn't seem to have an idea of how to fix the Blaze/Silver/Nega clusterfreak that they created with Sonic 2K6/Rivals.
HUELEN10
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Then who is this?Dubble said:
Since this is not Silver/Mecha Sonic due to it not being an early game, not Metal Sonic due to Metal Sonic being in the same room with this fellow, not Metal Sonic 3.0 due to Nega not being introduced yet, and not the "Mecha Sonic that went super" due to it looking nothing like it...
Who is this?!?!?! Maybe this game might explain it? I am just throwing it out there.
Metal Sonic at the very least has a personality, or have you forgotten about Sonic Heroes? It matters to those that care about the little things in the series. It's a nice touch, why ignore it?KevinCow said:
Does it really matter which Sonic robot is which? They're all robots designed by Robotnik for the sole purpose of killing Sonic. They don't even have their own personalities. You could pretend that they're all the same character with changes to its design in different games and it would change nothing.
HUELEN10 said:Then who is this?
Since this is not Silver/Mecha Sonic due to it not being an early game, not Metal Sonic due to Metal Sonic being in the same room with this fellow, and not not the "Mecha Sonic that went super"...
Who is this?!?!?!
This one is still a bone of contention. One of the old Archie writers took that design and kind of designated it as being "Silver Sonic Mark II". This was before Archie cleaned house, got rid of the old guard and input people that knew and respected the current franchise.
As far as the games go, I don't think this model was ever given a name. At least not one that we know of. I've always suspected that it was a modern variation on Silver Sonic put in by the developers as an easter egg, since it's never used and only shows up hidden away in one of the Metal Sonic tanks in the background of Adventure 1.
KevinCow said:
Not quite true but... eh, its complicated. If you follow the game storyline (and even the comics to some extent) both have shown at least one Metal Sonic to have developed a personality of its own and gone rogue before it was destroyed and the next model introduced. For the comics, it was Metal Sonic 1.0; for the games it was pretty much the entire story (what passes as one anyway) for Heroes.
Either way, most of what I said is moot now because what you say DOES stand in current continuity. The current Archie writer prefers Metal Sonic as a mindless killing machine and Sega seems to have reverted back to that aspect too, since that's the version of Metal Sonic that has always been the most popular.
APZonerunner
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All that matters is the BROTHERHOOD OF METALLIX
Diablohead
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A shame they made sonic more :/ then on the new sonic 4 title emblem, come on sega give him a smile.
At some point of SA1 development you were going to be able to download a patch (like the extra voice files and christmas/easter bonuses) from the sa1 website to play as metal and silver sonic, but it got scrapped. I still remember some old official DC mags talking about it and I was all excited until we got the final game without them in
The silver sonic that is in that green capsule to me is a remastered silver sonic, he has the wheel shoes just like the old one but instead of spinning spines he has what looks like gun fingers, but we will never know the truth...
on the new sonic 4 title emblem, come on sega give him a smile.At some point of SA1 development you were going to be able to download a patch (like the extra voice files and christmas/easter bonuses) from the sa1 website to play as metal and silver sonic, but it got scrapped. I still remember some old official DC mags talking about it and I was all excited until we got the final game without them in
The silver sonic that is in that green capsule to me is a remastered silver sonic, he has the wheel shoes just like the old one but instead of spinning spines he has what looks like gun fingers, but we will never know the truth...
brain_stew
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Its those stupid fucking green eyes, makes him look like hell's spawn and its all your fault Huelen.
iamaustrian
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I always wondered why they use the austrian flag as banner in the title screen logo?
(exept sonic 3 that is)
(exept sonic 3 that is)
At the risk of getting thoroughly lambasted...
I really do not get all the hate for the green eyes. I can certainly understand the top heavy aspects of the design and why some people would not like that, but by the same token you'd have to be an idiot to think Sega would throw away a design they remarketed thier entire franchise on and what nearly all modern Sonic fans are used to almost overnight.
But singling out the green eyes as some foul game ruining aspect that makes it worthy of foaming at the mouth and screaming in the streets? Shoot, on the model in the trailer I couldn't really tell what color his eyes were. At least until you see close up image renders of him like in the title marquee. It's a kind of silly thing to complain over IMO, but maybe I'm just the odd man out and not getting it. **shrugs**
I really do not get all the hate for the green eyes. I can certainly understand the top heavy aspects of the design and why some people would not like that, but by the same token you'd have to be an idiot to think Sega would throw away a design they remarketed thier entire franchise on and what nearly all modern Sonic fans are used to almost overnight.
But singling out the green eyes as some foul game ruining aspect that makes it worthy of foaming at the mouth and screaming in the streets? Shoot, on the model in the trailer I couldn't really tell what color his eyes were. At least until you see close up image renders of him like in the title marquee. It's a kind of silly thing to complain over IMO, but maybe I'm just the odd man out and not getting it. **shrugs**
Diablohead
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What's the bet that for episode 2 we will get a remake of this banner?
:lol you know it
:lol you know it
Diablohead
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MD beta version of this screen he is on the right too, giving a thumbs up instead of peace sign.HUELEN10 said:
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Diablohead said:
:O pic please?
Diablohead
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Combichristoffersen said:
letmegooglethatforyou
I don't care what anyone says. The original triple threat of Sonic/Tails/Knuckles was one of the best things I loved about this franchise as it evolved naturally before Adventure wildly took it in a completely different (and for the worst depending on your POV) direction.
I can do with or without Amy (I appreciate her modern version over her classic nonexistant personality), but STK - Tails following alongside Sonic while trying to catch up or Knuckles off doing his own thing was just something I liked when playing the original games as a kid. I miss that and I kind of already hope the second episode will reintroduce Tails to his original style of gameplay before Sega gave him unnecessary giant mechs and QTE bi-plane stages and made him the stereotypical brainiac nerd sidekick of the series which has been played up to crazy degrees. They have to get Sonic right first, though.
A step back into the basics of Sonic's original cast before their Adventure-based flanderizations would be really nice.
I can do with or without Amy (I appreciate her modern version over her classic nonexistant personality), but STK - Tails following alongside Sonic while trying to catch up or Knuckles off doing his own thing was just something I liked when playing the original games as a kid. I miss that and I kind of already hope the second episode will reintroduce Tails to his original style of gameplay before Sega gave him unnecessary giant mechs and QTE bi-plane stages and made him the stereotypical brainiac nerd sidekick of the series which has been played up to crazy degrees. They have to get Sonic right first, though.
A step back into the basics of Sonic's original cast before their Adventure-based flanderizations would be really nice.
Night_Trekker
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HUELEN10 said:
That Sonic 2 logo is so awesome. vaguely anime-ish Sonic >>>>> the crap we have now
Sega needs to bring back the Sonic design from the Sonic CD intro.
jetsetfluken
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Sega1991 said:
It can be either extreme, done/near done or hardly started - if done, the project is so sloppy and unpolished that that trailer is the best they can show? I really disbelieve that, if it was almost complete then we would get something a little better than what looks like a slapped together job in Flash using modified concept art and recycled Sonic model.
Then again, there is the thing where that advertising company was also hired to do this one and that's what they were "given" as an asset to create the trailer. Doubtful though.
jetsetfluken
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HUELEN10 said:
EDIT: For shits and giggles, the DC SA1 title screen. I LIKED it. After this, the menu presentations and title screens went blah.
Blah!:
I think that's enough.
BlazeHedgehog
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jetsetfluken said:
There is usually a gulf between "what they have to show to the public" and "what is actually finished". Two weeks before Sonic Unleashed was to hit store shelves, "new" video was posted on the game's official website, showing an old style of HUD that had been long-since phased out. Heck, if you leave it on the title screen, I think you can even catch a glimpse of the old Werehog HUD in the attract mode demo video!
What marketing goons have is not necessarily "up to date". I'm not saying this fixes any problems you might have with the art direction, but still - what looks sloppy now could have been fixed weeks ago.
I have no doubt in my mind that at this stage, Sonic 4 is at or near "content complete". It has to be, otherwise they're lagging way behind (Devil's Advocate: which, given the typically hectic development cycle most Sonic games go through, is worryingly possible).
I'm hoping the first boss encounter is a revamped version of the classic ball-and-chain Robotnik that was in the very first stage of Sonic the Hedgehog.
Y'know, like how the first boss in Contra 4 is that wall from the original Contra but OHMIGOD NOW IT'S TWO STOREYS TALL :O kind of twist.
Y'know, like how the first boss in Contra 4 is that wall from the original Contra but OHMIGOD NOW IT'S TWO STOREYS TALL :O kind of twist.
_Alkaline_
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Any words on the composer?
Diablohead
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:lol would the internal 512mb be enough? the game takes nearly a whole cd as it is.Wrath2X said:
MAtgS
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Um, I'm pretty sure that IS Mecha, not the 1st time that bot got a different paint job.HUELEN10 said:Then who is this?
Since this is not Silver/Mecha Sonic due to it not being an early game, not Metal Sonic due to Metal Sonic being in the same room with this fellow, not Metal Sonic 3.0 due to Nega not being introduced yet, and not the "Mecha Sonic that went super" due to it looking nothing like it...
SuperAngelo64
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I swear, if someone brings up the Comic or 'SatAM' or any of that shit I'm going to bodyslam them into a Chili-dog stand.
Neuromancer
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There is way too much title screen analysis in this thread. :lol
Diablohead said:
No reason for it ti be on VC, since it's already on the Gamecube exclusive Sonic Gems Collection.
Which I have. No loading screens either.
Also, Sonic and Knuckles has the best title screen. Sonic 3 a close second, but SK takes the cake for not using that dumb ring.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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So long as they have branching paths and don't somehow amazingly oversimplify an already simple game.........I will be satisfied. I just hope they stick to the nostalgia of those who played the game endlessly and not the nostalgia of casuals.
gamergirly
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Night_Trekker said:
I loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed Sonic 2's versus mode. Man, so many hours of fun back in the day. Stealing powerups from each other and the coin matches
SuperAngelo64
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MAtgS said:
You made me do it
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