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"Sony calls on Ken to save PS3."

Avalon said:
This hasn't been a problem for the Xbox 360 so far since all crossplatform titles have been using it as it's primary platform. I wonder what will happen later on when games are developed for the PS3 and then ported to the Xbox 360.
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It was a problem for Xbox 360 last year there were barely any games that warranted the extra £10 for the Xbox 360 version beyond the game outputting a higher resolution than the PS2 version.

Sometimes the next gen version was inferior in some form.
 
duderon said:
Would you say it's in great position trailing both of its competitors and doing little to catch up?
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I hope you're comparing first month sales of the 360 versus first month sales of the PS3.
 
Core407 said:
Xbox consoles sell based on first party titles? Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day! :lol Apart from Halo & Halo 2, what first party titles did MS release on the Xbox that fueled sales?
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Dunno about first party, but it's got exclusives such as GoW, which sold over 2 million. If you don't think that's enough to drive the console's sales, then enlighten us, please.
 
ethelred said:
Close third place in the US (11% marketshare), distant second place in Japan (16% marketshare), and not yet launched at all in Europe.

What position it will be in in a few months remains to be seen. We'll need to see how it sells post-holiday/post-launch in the US, but it certainly hasn't picked up any new momentum yet in Japan.
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Sales are only one metric.
 
Core407 said:
I hope you're comparing first month sales of the 360 versus first month sales of the PS3.
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No, of course not. Did anyone compare first month sales of GameCube and Xbox to the PS2? No... they looked at where the competitor already stood in the marketplace, how entrenched it was. The 360 has a strong position right now, and the PS3 is currently lagging overall behind both of its competitors. The leads the other two systems are building or have built matters in the real world, not the world of fan comparisons.

theBishop said:
Sales are only one metric.
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And which metric would you suggest?
 
the girl next door said:
Dunno about first party, but it's got exclusives such as GoW, which sold over 2 million. If you don't think that's enough to drive the console's sales, then enlighten us, please.
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Yeah thats what I figured you meant, but thats still not first party and it's a ridiculously horrible for gamers. All they're doing is buying up multiplatform games and turning them into exclusives. All they're doing is ruining the industry.
 
Core407 said:
Yeah thats what I figured you meant, but thats still not first party and it's a ridiculously horrible for gamers. All they're doing is buying up multiplatform games and turning them into exclusives. All they're doing is ruining the industry.
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Microsoft funding and publishing incredibly successful games, thus strengthening its own console, is destroying the industry? Are you sure that's what you meant to say?
 
Core407 said:
Yeah thats what I figured you meant, but thats still not first party and it's a ridiculously horrible for gamers. All they're doing is buying up multiplatform games and turning them into exclusives. All they're doing is ruining the industry.
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Wait, so now you're saying games that are console exclusives are bad, as opposed to what you just said earlier?? You're losing me.
 
Call me when you figure out how to get Sony first party titles on 360. Maybe then I'll have a reason to get a 360 over a PS3
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Well you might not have to wait long if PS3 keeps performing like it has been...;0
 
I don't see how this is a call to save the PS3?

I don't think the PS3 is in that much trouble, if things are the same Jan 2008 yeah I would say trouble. But they still can win at this point.

Ken can't save the PS3 though he dug this hole but he does not make games so how can he save it?
 
ethelred said:
No, of course not. Did anyone compare first month sales of GameCube and Xbox to the PS2? No... they looked at where the competitor already stood in the marketplace, how entrenched it was. The 360 has a strong position right now, and the PS3 is currently lagging overall behind both of its competitors. The leads the other two systems are building or have built matters in the real world, not the world of fan comparisons.
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Right. Its lagging behind because it just launched and its the only one thats asking a premium price. The closest system in price is already established with an average flow of games coming in, but thats all thanks to their year head start.

Yes its lagging, but you're making it sound like it is the end of the world. If anything, I'd be more shocked if it did ridiculously well at launch. How could you expect it to not lag in sales at this point?
 
Haunted_One said:
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have all the games on my console of choice, so I don't have to buy 2 (or 3) consoles. *shrugs*
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You wouldn't have a console of choice if there were only one console, would you?

the girl next door said:
PoP:SoT for one. TRL is another game that I like, whether it's 'innovative' or not, that's a different story.
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So, its been three years since they've done something innovative with a multiplatform game?

...and this is what you want more of?

Awesome.
 
the girl next door said:
Wait, so now you're saying games that are console exclusives are bad, as opposed to what you just said earlier?? You're losing me.
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Nothing wrong with third party exclusives, but thats not what MS is doing. Gears of War isn't a third party exclusive title. Its just a title MS self-published. Something like Lost Planet and Dead Rising are as they are developed and published by a third party.

All MS is doing is publishing third party games and passing them off as first party titles. What they should be doing is buying up smaller companies and turning them into first party studios ala Sony.
 
Core407 said:
Nothing wrong with third party exclusives, but thats not what MS is doing. Gears of War isn't a third party exclusive title. Something like Lost Planet and Dead Rising are as they are developed and published by a third party.

All MS is doing is publishing third party games and passing them off as first party titles. What they should be doing is buying up smaller companies and turning them into first party studios ala Sony.
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so microsoft is ruining the industry by buying up games, whereas they should just be buying entire development studios. now you make sense.
 
Core407 said:
Nothing wrong with third party exclusives, but thats not what MS is doing. Gears of War isn't a third party exclusive title. Something like Lost Planet and Dead Rising are as they are developed and published by a third party.

All MS is doing is publishing third party games and passing them off as first party titles. What they should be doing is buying up smaller companies and turning them into first party studios ala Sony.
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I'm sincerely not trying to be rude, but I don't understand this argument at all -- what's the difference between buying studios and supporting franchises with your dollars?
 
Core407 said:
Nothing wrong with third party exclusives, but thats not what MS is doing. Gears of War isn't a third party exclusive title. Its just a title MS self-published. Something like Lost Planet and Dead Rising are as they are developed and published by a third party.

All MS is doing is publishing third party games and passing them off as first party titles. What they should be doing is buying up smaller companies and turning them into first party studios ala Sony.
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So you think Sony contributed to the downfall of the gaming industry when it published Final Fantasy VII in the US?

I'm sure you're getting ready to boycott White Knight Story, too.
 
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lol
 
the girl next door said:
Dunno about first party, but it's got exclusives such as GoW, which sold over 2 million. If you don't think that's enough to drive the console's sales, then enlighten us, please.
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I dunno GeoW sold 3 million in 3 months yet pushed less hardware sales than PS2 and DS where the latter last year sold similar numbers with Nintendogs and Nintendo couldn't keep up with demand.

It was very peculiar holiday season.
 
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"PS3 will have an awesome EU launch? 1.5 Firmware fixed BC?! PS3 has a built in hardware SCALER?! Must make new article out of old bad SONY news!"
 
ethelred said:
So you think Sony contributed to the downfall of the gaming industry when it published Final Fantasy VII in the US?

I'm sure you're getting ready to boycott White Knight Story, too.
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You're missing the point completely. A big reason why people purchase consoles is because of the first party teams that will be making games on it. People who want to buy Nintendo games will play it on a Nintendo console and people who want to play Sony titles will need a Sony console and I bought Sega consoles to play games made by the internal teams. MS needs to build up their internal teams and stop just buying games. They tried building up teams for the Xbox, but it blew up in their face. Still doesn't mean they should give up. Bungie is a great example of this. Imagine if they just paid Bungie to make Halo and then Bungie would go make games for PC, PS2 and GCN? That'd be bullshit.
 
Core407 said:
Yeah thats what I figured you meant, but thats still not first party and it's a ridiculously horrible for gamers. All they're doing is buying up multiplatform games and turning them into exclusives. All they're doing is ruining the industry.
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Sort of like Sony? I mean not to mention Sony bringing in items non-related to gaming directly and charging a premium price isn't ruining the industry?
 
Stinkles said:
This thread is bursting with great ideas.
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Hey, just as long......




Microsoft doesn't come to a similar deal with Capcom to exploit the 360 chipset in the strange, vague, not-sure-what-they-are-doing-way Sony is with NAMCO and the CELL, GAF won't implode talking the entire universe with it...



...everything will be just fine.
 
Core407 said:
Yeah thats what I figured you meant, but thats still not first party and it's a ridiculously horrible for gamers. All they're doing is buying up multiplatform games and turning them into exclusives. All they're doing is ruining the industry.
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Is that different from buying studios who were multi-platform?
 
theBishop said:
i disagree with your summary.

less exclusive titles means fewer games taking advantage of any one console's strengths.

Personally, I'd rather have ALL exclusives and buy 2 consoles.
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Best post in this thread.
 
Tieno said:
Is that different from buying studios who were multi-platform?
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Well they become internal teams. If I buy a Nintendo consoles I know I'm going to get to play games from the same people (for the most part) who made them on previous systems.

360 gets Gears of War and it kicks some serious ass, but thats it, its over. That developer can move on to another console or just develop for multiple consoles. If they were exclusives, all those games would be specifically for your system.
 
Core407 said:
You're missing the point completely. A big reason why people purchase consoles is because of the first party teams that will be making games on it. People who want to buy Nintendo games will play it on a Nintendo console and people who want to play Sony titles will need a Sony console and I bought Sega consoles to play games made by the internal teams. MS needs to build up their internal teams and stop just buying games. They tried building up teams for the Xbox, but it blew up in their face. Still doesn't mean they should give up. Bungie is a great example of this. Imagine if they just paid Bungie to make Halo and then Bungie would go make games for PC, PS2 and GCN? That'd be bullshit.
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What's wrong with third party exclusives again? These games made the PS2 a juggernaut.
 
Core407 said:
Well they become internal teams. If I buy a Nintendo consoles I know I'm going to get to play games from the same people (for the most part) who made them on previous systems.

360 gets Gears of War and it kicks some serious ass, but thats it, its over. That developer can move on to another console or just develop for multiple consoles. If they were exclusives, all those games would be specifically for your system.
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So how are they ruining the industry with that (or more than Sony's strategy)? It's a different strategy, but MS has a number of pretty cool exclusive games.
 
Core407 said:
Well they become internal teams. If I buy a Nintendo consoles I know I'm going to get to play games from the same people (for the most part) who made them on previous systems.

360 gets Gears of War and it kicks some serious ass, but thats it, its over. That developer can move on to another console or just develop for multiple consoles. If they were exclusives, all those games would be specifically for your system.
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are you going to take sony to task for not owning factor 5, ninja theory, insomniac, and whomever else that makes games published under the sony banner? conversely, microsoft has played the acquisition game that you want so much; you've already mentioned bungie, but there's also rare and lionhead off the top of my head. really... the point you're making, particularly by comparing microsoft to sony, sucks.
 
Marlowe said:
I'm sincerely not trying to be rude, but I don't understand this argument at all -- what's the difference between buying studios and supporting franchises with your dollars?
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Hope I'm reading this right.

Instead of MS buying out well known studio's like Rare or a contract with Epic they should be nurturing new talent like Level 5, Zipper Inc, Guerilla and Team ICO like Sony did on the PS2.

Even though it makes total sense when you see a Sony Symbol on Tekken 5 and Soul Calibur 3.
 
Steroyd said:
Hope I'm reading this right.

Instead of MS buying out well known studio's like Rare or a contract with Epic they should be nurturing new talent like Level 5, Zipper Inc, Guerilla and Team ICO like Sony did on the PS2.

Even though it makes total sense when you see a Sony Symbol on Tekken 5 and Soul Calibur 3.
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With the hiring studios do these days (like Bungie, Epic, etc) they're nurturing/funding new talent too, just within existing companies.
 
Cellius? It can be a good piece of news, I'd like to play Tekken 6 or Soul Calibur 4 with large use of PS3 power and with sony exclusive! But I demand more effort to make new brand, new kind of games from Namco+Bandai. It's time to explore new gamestyle or rivitalize old (dreaming something like sky odyssey for next-gen)
 
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