StrongBlackVine
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Nice find. Never heard of that site, but those specs would mesh with $499 price point we have been discussing in the last 24 hours.
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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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Nice find. Never heard of that site, but those specs would mesh with $499 price point we have been discussing in the last 24 hours.
The perfect Dark
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Smartphone cycle? Goodbye Sony. I'm going back to Nintendo and PC.
Bitch Pudding
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I think people are still stuck in this "mid-cycle update" logic (although I agree to a lot yurinka said). Meaning that the inevitable successor of PS4k / Neo will be PS5 at some point, with a very own library of games. From my point of view, this iterative console model means something else. I tried to visualize how I see Sony's roadmap for the future (sorry that doesn't look more sophisticated as I created this with vanilla PowerPoint at home):
So, basically, two SKUs together establish one "generation".
Each generation is defined by the same library of games. So devs are forced to support two SKUs at the same time (it's up to them to support older SKUs as well).
In this model Sony only supports two SKUs at the same time (like Apple does with their iPad if you ignore the different screens sizes). So PS4 doesn't become a low budget offer once Neo successor "Trinity" arrives.
If this model applies, there won't be a classic "PS5". Or a "next generation" as we are used to. Instead, we will see incremental updates and a shift of supported games with each new SKU. Of course, that doesn't mean Sony cannot name Neo successor "Trinity" PS5.
Risk Breaker
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To be honest, this might not happen again next gen. IF PS5 for example is released on a mature 10nm process and the process node doesn't change until year 4th of the console or something, it probably won't make sense to do this, but wait and release something at year 6th.
I have a feeling neither company (or at least not Sony) was really thinking of doing this, but it just kind of "happened" (AMD offering to use Polaris instead in a die shrink for a similar price, an offer they can't really refuse in case the other guy does it).
Lol people have been saying consoles are dying for years.
Would love to see people's reactions if this becomes successful.
Risk Breaker
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geordiemp
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Sort of but not really. Go read the what do you want Neo to do for Uncharted 4, there lies your answer. 60 FPS almost every post (the odd 120 lol)
4, 5 or 6 TF, people just want 60 FPS in games like UC4, Witcher 3, Bloodborne, or they want a console capable of that developer permitting.
But TF is not everything, a 6 TF jaguar powered console would not deliver what enthusiasts want anyway in gaming performance, hence the CPU and bandwidth choices are actually more relevant.
Do that, enjoy playing online against gaming mice, guys running the game at 120 Hz at 1440p on 1 ms monitors clicking on your head in every shooter, guys using macros or worse cheats such as aimbots, disguised aim bots, changing their field of FOV, optimising the fire rate of guns using macros for no recoil....
Like a hole in the head....
Need Modnation Racers 2 before it's all over
Why buy a PC if I can buy a PS4K for less than a PC with a 1060?
If you're a "power user" it makes more sense to buy a PC than an upgraded console.
Yeah no, I'm still not feeling this and I probably never will. I'm also not a person who buys a new smartphone every year or two.
What this makes me want to do is buy a new PC first and foremost. Hell, I might buy an Xbone 1,5 over a PS4 Neo even because I then get access to MS' games as well (I already have access to Sony games on PS4).
What this makes me want to do is buy a new PC first and foremost. Hell, I might buy an Xbone 1,5 over a PS4 Neo even because I then get access to MS' games as well (I already have access to Sony games on PS4).
ScherzoPrime
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I think people are still stuck in this "mid-cycle update" logic (although I agree to a lot yurinka said). Meaning that the inevitable successor of PS4k / Neo will be PS5 at some point, with a very own library of games. From my point of view, this iterative console model means something else. I tried to visualize how I see Sony's roadmap for the future (sorry that doesn't look more sophisticated as I created this with vanilla PowerPoint at home):
So, basically, two SKUs together establish one "generation".
Each generation is defined by the same library of games. So devs are forced to support two SKUs at the same time (it's up to them to support older SKUs as well).
At the same time, in this model Sony only supports two SKUs at the same time (like Apple does with their iPad if you ignore the different screens sizes).
If this model applies, there won't be a classic "PS5". Or a "next generation" as we are used to. Instead, we will see incremental updates and a shift of supported games with each new SKU. Of course, that doesn't mean Sony cannot name Neo successor "Trinity" PS5.
That seems to be my thinking as well; that Sony will require all software to be one 'generation' forward compatible. And of course, I think going forward they need to be clear that all software will be backwards compatible in perpetuity. At any rate, the 'upgrade once every 6/7 years' cycle would still be viable, there'd just also be an every 3 or 4 year cycle for those who want to be closer to the bleeding edge.
I think there needs to be a Sony-sanctioned upgrade plan too, though, for it to be completely a slam dunk.
Well perhaps Sony/MS are hoping by getting you sucked into their ecosystem you'll be less likely to bother with a PC because you get the incremental performance upgrade benefits but in a simple box? So what people are considering a negative will be a positive for many people
ScherzoPrime
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That's my outlook as well, especially since there will probably be upgrade incentives. I'll probably sell my PS4 towards getting a NEO.
geordiemp
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I will keep my Ps4's, I dont trade stuff, but its either Neo or Scorpio, the first who will deliver 60 FPS console gaming as a priority is my path. Neo depends on Sony choices, a weak CPU Neo is dead to me. I will get VR that goes with the console i choose.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Until we get an insider or a leak that points to concrete future compatibility or "perpetual backwards compatibility" it's just rampant speculation. Currently everything is pointing to a similar hardware lifecycle with a mid-generation hardware update.
I'm sure Sony wants easier hardware compatibility, but one generation backwards compatibility can be daunting enough, trying to mandate indefinite compatibility backwards and one generation forwards is a lot of spinning plates.
(I'm also not convinced forward compatibility won't confuse consumers and partially dilute the need to upgrade to a PS5.)
Do people do that though? I get a new high end smart phone everytime my minimum term ends, I've never paid a penny yet and don't expect to when my next upgrade is die at the end of this month.
It's always seems av silly comparison when most people have their phones subsidised on contacts.
i agree, it comes off bad. the upgrade really has to be huge in order for me to pluck down more cash.
if xbone doesn't impress with scorpio, why the hell would i drop another few hundred dollars for an incremental upgrade? such garbage.
i hold on to my phone and usually skip an entire generation before upgrading again.
ScherzoPrime
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The chatter I keep hearing is that MS and Sony are switching to a mobile-esqe platform for content delivery, this is reflected in the messaging that House and Spencer have conveyed; that inherently demands more fluid compatibility between platforms. At the very least on MS's side, the development of UWAs seems to indicate that purchases are intended to be viable across different platforms.
History has shown that game developers (with the exception of fighting game and character action creators) will generally sacrifice gameplay fluidity for graphical fidelity. I doubt that's going to change next/mid-gen. If you really care about hitting 60fps for most games, you probably should invest in a PC.
But, it's not every 2 years. It'll be 3 at minimum if it comes out this year and looking like 4 minimum for the Scorpio. I don't think that's outlandish for hardware and technology. It's also not nearly as much as Apple products either. £500 isn't the same as £400 or whatever it will be over there and likely $399 here.
Personally I'd prefer 4 years and think that's the most optimal for tech, but I'm sure people here would freak out over that too.
So get a pc, nobody forcing you to buy consoles, many of us want more choice in the console space and this is just fine.
ScherzoPrime
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I mean, everyone was complaining about how insufferably long last gen was, lasting between 6-8 years (Compared to 4 - 6 years with previous generations). I do think we'll enter a shorter gen cycle though, with iterative consoles every 42 months or so. That's still not as quick of a turn around as cell phones, which makes sense; gaming consoles aren't as much of a necessity as phones. But I think this is good for gaming at least in terms of raw power; this means that consoles going forward won't be such a millstone around the necks of PC development.
geordiemp
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Frostbite games are now targeting 60 and lowering resolution, most people dont seem to care about greater than 1080p on consoles and want 60 FPS, so either Neo or Scorpio will deliver on that front and profit from it.
Smart developers will make what gamers prefer. No I hate mouse gaming, and have no desire to ever play online games with a PC.
You know, I was initially against the mid-gen console upgrade. I still am, but going forward, if this trend sticks, I hope they stick to 3-4 year cycles then. I'd be okay with that.
wapplew
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Iterative console cycle going to make this gen even longer, it's so long we might not have another new generation.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Try to think out of the box.
Yep, I fucking hated that the X360/PS3 gen lasted so long. I really, really hated it. And yeah, they definitely felt like they started to hold back PC development, especially with the pitiful RAM that they had. I know that going to X86 was a huge boon for developers as well. I don't think that a 3/4 year cycle (Neo/Scorpio) on an X86 platform is going to really hurt anyone.
Smiles and Cries
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So is it fair to expect some stronger than NEO from Sony 24 months after NEO?
No, why would it be? The Neo isn't 24 months after the PS4. Where do people keep pulling this dumb 2 year number from? It'll probably have been 3 years at least by the time the Neo is out, I'd say a hair short at 35 months at absolute minimum. Then there's the Scorpio which will have been 4 years by the time it's out.
Bitch Pudding
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Maybe not in 24 months exactly but yes, 99% sure about that.
As if $500 PC did matter for PC gaming... Netbook?
Nydus
Member
My concern is that the added hardwarepower wont bring 60fps. They could have done it with this generation but opted for mostly 30fps to achieve better looks. I think the neo will just add more bling @ 30 fps and call it a day. Hopefully im wrong but i also dont have the will/need/income for a new console this time around.
Yeah. It seemed to me right from the start this was always the plan. A 3-4 year cycle.
ScherzoPrime
Member
I think a lot of gamers legitimately like flashy graphics; I know I do. And while NEO and probably Scorpio won't be able to render in 4k, higher resolutions seem to be the big ticket item going forward.
A lot of gamers play PC games with gamepads, you know.
Yeah I mean, after last gen we're really only going to see, at best, marginal gains even from 'full' console leaps. I think the idea that a 'generation' has to be 5/6 years just is no longer realistic given the rate at which technology is advancing.
Reading thuway's theories: I know PS4 at 299.99 would be the base model, and it should keep on selling alongside PS4 Neo, but 499.99 (not even going in the 599.99 territory) is way too high, even with the supposed aimed audience (hardcore / more informed customers). 449.99 is the limit, IMHO, with 399.99 (and the base model at 299.99) as the ideal price.
EDIT: Going more backwards in the thread, I just read OsirisBlack's post. Not so happy about 499.99 seemingly the "cheapest" option now.
EDIT: Going more backwards in the thread, I just read OsirisBlack's post. Not so happy about 499.99 seemingly the "cheapest" option now.
gamerforever
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Gamers are also getting older and can afford these things. From sonys perspective they see people upgrading their iphones every 2 years, so why not their home console? I would prefer better graphics, but do feel we may get a single platform one day.
IMO Probably 36 months between hardware launches, probably hear about it 6-12 months prior.
Should be a 'true' generational leap to - more to Neo than Scorpio's rumoured specs are to Xbone.
wapplew
Member
So they release Neo to keep up with tech and yet 5/6 years console leaps only marginal gains, technology advancement too fast or too slow?
ScherzoPrime
Member
I'm thinking 449 for NEO, with a 749 bundle that includes PSVR. Perhaps a 599 bundle for PSVR with Base PS4, or do you think Sony wouldn't want to incentivize people to buy into the base PS4 ecosystem anymore?
I mean if you're going to be outclassed by PC in less than a year either way, might as well make the turn around time quicker. The trade-off for shorter times would be guarantees your purchases are respected going forward; so there isn't another big "Fuck you, all your PS3 games and downloads won't work on PS3" situation again.
Kazuma Kiryu
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It's E3 time, people will overreact over every bit of information, despite not knowing the full picture.
The horror of releasing a more powerful console that runs exactly the same games on both, maybe at the ps4 launch price, ~3 years after it launched.
Think of the children Sony!
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Because reading comprehension is at an all time low ITT.
There were people who read House's quote about the two consoles 'sitting next to each other' and thought he was talking about literally having the two sat next to each other in homes.
People see '...cycle similar to cellphones' and in their heads it becomes 'exactly like cellphones', hence the two year nonsense.
Chû Totoro
Member
Please Nintendo support UHD Blu Ray (I can reasonably assume it won't happen though :/ ). Buying a PS Neo mostly for this is so frustrating...
I'd prefer to switch to PC + Nintendo combo. I've been hesitant during the whole previous gen, now's the right time to jump in tailored PC gaming.
I'd prefer to switch to PC + Nintendo combo. I've been hesitant during the whole previous gen, now's the right time to jump in tailored PC gaming.
Nor does Apple. Though I do upgrade my ipad every two refreshes. That gives me enough of a bump and a decent enough resale value to help pay for the upgrades.
Makes me wonder what the ps4 used market will be like come Christmas.
dragonfart28
Banned
Smartphones are subsidized on contracts.
They can also all fit in one drawer.
They can also all fit in one drawer.
I guess some people still get them like that.
I think a lot of the howling is coming from children who have to ask their parents for another console & aren't 100% sure they'll get it
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