But it only works that way with the PlayStation. Do you even play Fortnite or have any frame of reference with this? I can buy VBucks on the PC, and then those are usable on the Android, Switch, or Xbox if I am playing on one of those and want to get a skin. But if I buy VBucks and then play on my PS5 those VBucks aren't usable there.
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But it only works that way with the PlayStation. Do you even play Fortnite or have any frame of reference with this? I can buy VBucks on the PC, and then those are usable on the Android, Switch, or Xbox if I am playing on one of those and want to get a skin. But if I buy VBucks and then play on my PS5 those VBucks aren't usable there.
DeepEnigma
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kretos
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well they in it for the profits it's not a charity
funny thing is Sony allowed people to play this game and others for free without paying for PS+ while MS required people to pay for gold until recently, that's what matters to consumers
Thirty7ven
Banned
I understand this. But see where you are mistaken is that you think you have the right to. You don't.
You know, back then EA turned to Sega and said "Want our games? Don't compete with us. Don't make a NFL game, or we won't support the Dreamcast". Sega made its decision, and they had the right to choose.
Seems like you are claiming rights that don't exist. Like said above, you didn't have the right to play Fortnite without paying for online access on Xbox.
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kretos
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MostScrumptionsYams
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Exactly the funniest thing is madden has 2019 banners in the 2020 game. Corporations know that the vocal minority won't change a thing. That's exactly why micro transactions will never go away. Shit it's the main reason why epic makes bank off of PlayStation.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Insane how this has basically delved into double standard virtue signaling. Console wars are now... culture wars. What the fuck.
ZehDon
Banned
Microsoft: *removes paywall for F2P games*
NeoGAF: Should never have been a thing; walls hurt gamers and are not good for the industry! Can't believe it took this long.
Sony: We want to disincentive crossplay by forcing compensation from our developer partners, because a strict walled garden is best for us as the market leader.
NeoGAF: This is healthy for the industry! Walls are good!
Epic (An actual developer who Sony have a stake in that are forced to compensate Sony for crossplay): Sony want actual monetary compensation from the developer for allowing crossplay in their titles.
NeoGAF: Good; this protects me against... *hand waving gestures*
NeoGAF: Should never have been a thing; walls hurt gamers and are not good for the industry! Can't believe it took this long.
Sony: We want to disincentive crossplay by forcing compensation from our developer partners, because a strict walled garden is best for us as the market leader.
NeoGAF: This is healthy for the industry! Walls are good!
Epic (An actual developer who Sony have a stake in that are forced to compensate Sony for crossplay): Sony want actual monetary compensation from the developer for allowing crossplay in their titles.
NeoGAF: Good; this protects me against... *hand waving gestures*
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Ya right. That's what you call right back at ya.
If you are pro-consumer, you'll make a stand on whats best for gamers, even if it means criticizing your favourite piece of plastic.
When guys like you protect corporations with "it's just business guys, gotta do what you gotta do" you are too afraid to criticize because it's a blow to protecting your favourite game box.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Sums up your post.
Menzies
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You nod it off as obvious. And it should be.
But it's amazing how depending on which side of the aisle you sit, you can see the 'it's business' for one, but 'it's anti-consumer' for the other.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
MSFT paywall, charges the consumer (now removed)Microsoft: *removes paywall for F2P games*
NeoGAF: Should never have been a thing; walls hurt gamers and are not good for the industry! Can't believe it took this long.
Sony: We want to disincentive crossplay by forcing compensation from our developer partners, because a strict walled garden is best for us as the market leader.
NeoGAF: This is healthy for the industry! Walls are good!
Epic: Sony want actual monetary compensation from the developer for allowing crossplay in their titles.
NeoGAF: Good; this protects me against... *hand waving gestures*
MSFT buying ZeniMax, robs other consumers on other platforms from a 30+ year multiplat maker they once had
Sony makes a deal with Epic, costs the consumers nothing and they knew none the wiser until ... console wars
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Thirty7ven
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Classic gaming IPs that were never "Xbox" to begin with. That's business though.
Introduce online paywall on consoles? Worth it.
Going after exclusive streaming rights? Makes sense.
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DonJuanSchlong
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As a PC gamer who isn't on either side of the fence, crossplay should be available to all. You can always disable it if you want, but it should be an option. There are games I couldn't play with some friends because of this.
It's about time for people to stop defending corporations that don't give a single fuck about them. Having cross play is not hurting Sony, it's not hurting any of you die hard warriors, and it's not going to cause Sony to close down its doors. Some of the responses in here make me feel like you guys aren't gamers, but straight up fangirls, cheerleading for a company that only wants your money, and doesn't care about the players.
Elder Scrolls:
Arena - PC
Daggerfall - PC
Morrowind - PC & Xbox
Oblivion and Skyrim were the first TES games on a non-MS platform.
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kretos
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paying for online for f2p affect me as a consumer
how does a dev paying compensation to platform holder affect me as a consumer?
MostScrumptionsYams
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And of course the usual neutral suspect is in here dick eating.
ZehDon
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How is that "happy enough"
That was a declarative statement. One more than likely true.
And I personally am not mad about the MSFT/ZeniMax deal, it does not impact me since I game on PC as well. I just find it hilarious when aNtIcOsoOoOmEr is thrown around over this which the consumer would never know the wiser.
Same goes for you since you can't quote me directly prior.
This does not impact the consumer one bit. None would know the wiser. Funny enough, considering all the defending you do for Disney properties. Disney, the beacon of ethical moves.
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Menzies
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Well they eventually caved and allowed cross-play, which is the important thing for the consumer.
I'm just here speaking broadly. Asking for us all to elevate ourselves out from the trenches and recognize the general hypocrisy spouted off by the 'one-eyed fans'
Thirty7ven
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Xbox is a console, and PC is an open platform (Steam is on PC therefore it's MS???? What kind of shit ass logic is that?). These IPs, like Doom, Wolfenstein, Fallout were not associated with Xbox, nor were they associated with Microsoft. Did you know that you pay for online on XBOX... but on PC it's free? Isn't this anti consumer? Specially when MS own games have free online on PC. Very very questionable. Lol
Doom came out on PS1...
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Bryank75
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That's because one platform is responsible for almost 50% of the total revenue Fortnite makes meaning more than almost all of them combined and is offering the game for free on PSN with free online play. One platform has the most players and that platform holder did not act like a stubborn fool and deny crossplay outright but considering they are playing the game for free on the platform they agreed to partial compensation if the player is spending their money buying things on iOS or Android where google or apple get the cut but playing the game on PS4.
Question is why are you annoyed by this? Crossplay is allowed, the items are the same price on all the platforms and cross compatible (Apple is the one charging extra) , Epic can hold their tournaments and single server code, Sony is compensated for allowing crossplay. Everybody is happy. What's got you annoyed though? The fact that Epic is giving Sony money?
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ZehDon
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Fair enough. You labelled Microsoft's purchasing as "...robs other consumers..." while you framed Sony's acquisition as a sound business move, so I interpreted this as anger. Apologies if I got it wrong. Personally, I think they're both sound business moves and don't consider either robbery.
As for the consumer not knowing, to bring it back on topic, I personally think crossplay is absolutely something they'd notice. Not having to buy a PlayStation to game with my friends is great for me as the consumer who owns an Xbox. One further step is also around game population; one of my favourite games of last gen was Titanfall 2. Had crossplay been an option at launch, I feel that game would've stayed fully active for a lot longer thanks to the increased console population. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, though. So, I feel there's argument to be made that Sony's disincentiving of crossplay actively hurt one of the games I really enjoyed. I could be wrong, though.
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El Pistolero
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Thirty7ven
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You basically wrote an argument against the existence of exclusives. If I can play Halo on PlayStation, I won't have to buy a Xbox to play Halo with my friends. If Bleeding edge came out on PlayStation... maybe it would've stood a chance at an active population. Maybe if I didn't have to pay for online, I would play with my friends....
None of this is morally wrong or anti consumer. Neither MS or Sony are running a charity. We vote with our wallets and that's it. This little culture war that folks like Tom Warren are trying to run with, painting one as the bad guy and the other as the good guy, it's pretty out there.
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Exanthus
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R
Are you thelastword in disguise?, it's always a wall of text.
On topic, I am shocked and appalled...
Anyway this guy can't save himself. And he has the courage to say he doesn't hate Sony but he is a normal gamer enthusiastic as any other... and it's not an Xbox fanboy lol. Sony asked to developer to pay for crossplay. Ok. They can refuse it and say to them to go to fuck off. It's the first time who see a company try to sell the idea they did it for the player goodness? Or he trying to argue MS didn't do nothing like thisI mean the ideas behind GamePass is a big medium finger in the ass of the customer but still they sell it as a gift to the gamers. They are multinational corporations.
He defines himself an Xbox journalist but every single time just published articles with such scoop when Sony is involved. I mean, nothing against people who likes kiss the ass of Spencer and Xbox, but at least limit you to that and avoid stuff a la "mister 9 TF there is always a difference."
Are you thelastword in disguise?, it's always a wall of text.
On topic, I am shocked and appalled...
One of the best responses in regards to this topic here.. I dont understand the outrage here
Majima Everywhere System
Member
Pretty good thread
BaneIsPain
Member
Sony did nothing wrong. Prioritise profit is important too.
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
- Make a stand for what's best for gamers?
- Favourite piece of plastic ?
- Favorite game box?
I'm sorry but are we going into battle ??. If you didn't come across so fanboyish in your post then I would try to have a conversation with you but in this case I'll indulge.
Cross-play/No Cross-play doesn't affect me in the slightest. It doesn't stop me enjoying my Xbox Series S. It didn't stop me enjoying my PS4 Pro. And it certainly as hell didn't make me come onto the forums to moan about it.
It's a nice to have feature yes but it's not critical to my enjoyment of either platform.
My post was mainly the fact Sony have their reasons for doing what they do and I can 100% guarantee you their decisions are driven by $$$ and not good faith or charity no matter what most of you console warriors would like to believe.
If tomorrow Sony charged me $10 per month for Cross-Play, I'd happily pay it and use the feature. If I'm not happy with it then I'll find another platform.
This cockamamie kindergarten lets put our fingers in our ears and stomp our feet bullshit that permeates through these forums on cross-play is ridiculous and quite frankly embarrassing and is trumpeted by mainly Xbox fans or people who don't game on PS platforms.
Sure there are PS fans who also want cross-play and I get that some of them are disappointed but it doesn't take away from their enjoyment of the platform. PS numbers continue to rise despite all the hoopla over cross-play.
There are other worse things going on in the world to 'make a stand' on. Coming with that kind of heat to a gaming forum for 'your favorite piece of plastic' is fucking embarrassing.
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ZehDon
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... not at all? "If multi-platform games had multi-platform multiplayer, multiplayer populations would be higher for everyone" is quite removed from your reductive straw-man of "Well then, if I can play Halo - the platform mascot for Microsoft - on PlayStation - a non-Microsoft platform - then I don't need to buy a Microsoft platform! You just argued against exclusives!". If someone makes a game, they're free to put it on whatever platforms they want; exclusive or multi-platform, that's their choice. However, Sony didn't create, fund, contribute to, or publish Titanfall 2 - but they sure want to lock its multiplayer up as if they do, because doing so directly benefits them.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
You know games are done behind closed doors business deals right?
StreetsofBeige
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I was comparing Sony asking for money for cross-play to MS buying studios. Some here think Sony doing this with Epic is anti-consumer.
Thirty7ven
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You're splitting hairs, that's all. I understand what you're saying and you can criticize the business practice. At the end of the day these devs/publishers are also making decisions based on the bottom line. Sony didn't create nor fund Titanfall 2, and they are not entitled to the game launching on PlayStation, same way Activision is not entitled to write the rules of the platform. They are not free to put the game on the platforms they want either, as they must abide by the rules and the platform holders have the right to reject content being published there.
Depending on the game this is a case of one company disproportionately gaining from crossplay. It's poor business for one, and incredible for the other. Business is a give and take based on wants and needs. All I'm trying to say here is that this isn't about morals. Makes perfect sense for the company who fostered the userbase that represented 50% of all spending on Fortnite to not just open its legs for the competition's gain. If publishers don't think it's worth it, then that's on the publishers no? Epic thought it was worth it, they took the deal.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Sony really hated PS4 crossplay, confidential documents reveal
Emails reveal tense exchanges between Epic Games and Sony.www.theverge.com
So there are gamers this stupid huh? How is any of this an issue from Sony's perspective? If you play on a Playstation console, but"PAY" for cosmetics on an iPhone, then Sony wants some of that money. I mean........the gamer here is literally playing on Playstation hardware. They are just buying add-on stuff on a different store.
On some level (as the platform leader) they deserve some of that money.
ZehDon
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I don't feel I'm splitting hairs; there's a clear difference between a mulit-plat game like Titanfall 2 not being crossplay and a first-party title Halo not being playable on competing platforms. However, you're correct about those third parties: they're not entitled to write the platform's rules, and they agree to those rules. I was more talking from the end-user's perspective; this thread is about Sony forcing developers to compensate them for crossplay - which actively disincentives crossplay, which impacts me as the end-user.
Agreed on the first part, but not so much on the second. I believe Sony is unfairly using its position as the market leader to reap additional money from its partners who are only looking to better service their own customers. If Titanfall 2 has crossplay, Titanfall 2 stays active for longer. I feel that's a fair statement. In this scenario, Sony allows a partner's game to die off by preventing crossplay, solely because it entices more people to buy Sony's platform. They're harming the end-user and their developer partner to increase their bottom line. In this scenario, Sony is using Titanfall 2 to push its platform despite having no clear agreement with Titanfall 2's developer or publisher to be able to use the title to do so. I believe an argument could be made that that is immoral, but I won't split hairs: we agree that this benefits Sony, and Sony is simply acting in their own self-interest, as every company does, in doing so.
GhostOfTsu
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That's it. I still don't understand this thread. Why are they pissed again? Cross-play is allowed. They can play with their fucking (non-existent) "friends" on PS5. Why are the Xbox people so angry about this? I don't get it.
Epic made a deal with Sony. So what?
Thirty7ven
Banned
Mutual interest. The dev/publisher is using PlayStation, something Sony created, to push their game. That it failed to create an active population is its own failing, something that is easily proven by looking at other extremely successful games on said platform.
Little Chicken
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Imagine the hysteria had this been Microsoft insteadMicrosoft: *removes paywall for F2P games*
NeoGAF: Should never have been a thing; walls hurt gamers and are not good for the industry! Can't believe it took this long.
Sony: We want to disincentive crossplay by forcing compensation from our developer partners, because a strict walled garden is best for us as the market leader.
NeoGAF: This is healthy for the industry! Walls are good!
Epic (An actual developer who Sony have a stake in that are forced to compensate Sony for crossplay): Sony want actual monetary compensation from the developer for allowing crossplay in their titles.
NeoGAF: Good; this protects me against... *hand waving gestures*
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Because these. Sony also trying to bully cross platform companies into paying top up subsidies and also let Sony access to look at their books.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
They didn't cave. They came to a business agreement. Sorry you didn't know videogames were a business.
Menzies
Banned
I think I understand that better than most.
*Yep - caved isn't the correct word. Thanks for correcting me.
Topher
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This is exactly right. We are talking about money changing hands because of a deal made between a couple of mega-rich corporations. Why are we pretending this sort of thing is new?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I think it's up to $450 million that Sony has invested into Epic.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
What a shit response. Here is just one example -
My kid goes to school and we have xbox in our house. They make friends with another child that has PS in their household. They make a third friend who has a switch. Next year they make a friend who plays on PC. They all just want to play Fortnite and other games as they grow through their friendship over the years.
Nothing here from the gamers perspective is about corporate greed, walled gardens or profits. If you're a gaming company and have no interest in crossplay then you ain't getting my household dollars or kids time. I'm also not promoting you to other parents about how to save money with things like Gamepass so the kids can play a bunch of games together and try all sorts of games.
Some of you console fanboys are just thick as bricks with your responses.
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GhostOfTsu
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So what devs were "bullied" (lol) and didn't pay? What games did we miss exactly? These agreements are meaningless. We need game titles.
Most games are crossplay now. Seems like dev are gladly paying to have access to the 100+ millions PS userbase. All of this is hot air.