5.59 million sold since launchthe_id said:can someone give me a summary especially with the situation of the PS3? i can't understand these sales threads.
New software(Lair, HS) bombed
A couple billion yen in the red.
5.59 million sold since launchthe_id said:can someone give me a summary especially with the situation of the PS3? i can't understand these sales threads.
Sony's about lost all profit made from the PS2 on the PS3.the_id said:can someone give me a summary especially with the situation of the PS3? i can't understand these sales threads.
For the first two years it should be better as games were already well in development when it started going downhill.the_id said:Thanks. I hope the console will still be supported by 3rd parties.
Usually around day 25...apujanata said:When can we expect release of Oct - Dec 07 data from each company ? Is it Mid January 08 ?
NolbertoS said:Tagged..Great thread with fiscal reporting..I'm not into the System's Wars, but great to see how each company has fared during that time. A month breakdown of the fiscal year would be great too, as we would be able to predict trends of what sells and what doesn't.
On the 24th after the close of the market for Microsoft, and on the 26th for Nintendo.apujanata said:When can we expect release of Oct - Dec 07 data from each company ? Is it Mid January 08 ?
bycha said:Updated.
Notes:
1 Kutaragi was right. Sony's $113M profit in 3rd Q is incredible. I think it shows great vision to bring best hardware that will be 2 times cheaper to produce after it's 1st year on the market. From now on PS3 will be close to 360 in pricing and always will have technological advantage.
With additional cost reductions of blu-ray and 65nm RSX that well may be in production right now and big software titles coming Sony's Game Division may well show it's usual $ billion+ per year soon.
I think it's clear that ps3 was still not profitable that Q, but evergreen PS2 and successful PSP helped to bring division to green zone again. PSP software sales are bad though and I'm not sure they will improve that much.
2 Nintendo's results are beyond anything that ever happened. If they will meet demanв for Wii worldwide they con go to 3, maybe 4 billion per year.
3 Microsoft done great. Their best quarter on the big software titles. I'm sensing pricecut from them this spring though that may hurt their profitability but overall i think it' s clear that whole 360 project will turn profit in the coming years.
Yes. Blame it on PS3 R&D and losses during 2007. -1.9 Billion is almost Nintendo's last 3 Quarter profit.lizardking said:so wait, nintendo has made more profit in 3 quarters than sony has since 1998?
LizardKing said:so wait, nintendo has made more profit in 3 quarters than sony has since 1998?
Try to stay in heaven should be challenge enough.Stop It said:Yeah, when you put it that way it does make you wonder, Nintendo has been a juggernaught since 2006, and 2Billion + in profit the past year confrims that, at this rate we're going to have to promote them again, they've risen to heaven already, where next?
Huh? really? I thought the only reason they were in the red all the way at the begining of the year was because of the massive repair program they made for the RROD, and the profits only went up from there.Rapping Granny said:I don't know if I read this right, Microsoft didn't make any profit this year?
Rapping Granny said:I don't know if I read this right, Microsoft didn't make any profit this year?
LizardKing said:so wait, nintendo has made more profit in 3 quarters than sony has since 1998?
Stop It said:Yeah, when you put it that way it does make you wonder, Nintendo has been a juggernaught since 2006, and 2Billion + in profit the past year confrims that, at this rate we're going to have to promote them again, they've risen to heaven already, where next?
ashs said:nintendo systems alway have mid-sub par technology. which keep costs low.
mckmas8808 said:Sony am genius. I think they will turn a profit overall in 2008.
_leech_ said:Except for the N64. And GC.
They will turn a profit in 2008, if they only allow modest price drops. I think they make some good profits with PS2 and PSP hardware.mckmas8808 said:Sony am genius. I think they will turn a profit overall in 2008.
The technology wasn't costly. Nintendo sold their consoles for 200$._Leech_ said:Except for the N64. And GC.
bycha said:Nintendo's results are beyond anything that ever happened. If they will meet demand for Wii worldwide they can go to 3, maybe 4 billion per year.
Segata Sanshiro said:wait. bycha, you honestly think the PS3 will be generating income for 10-15 years?
Are you fucking nuts?
In 15 years the PS3 will be more dead than Mama Cass, and while I'm quite certain BD is going to be the format of choice, even DVD hasn't been around 15 years.spwolf said:haha... 10 is even possible.... But seriously, things made possible with PS3 - like BD royalties, will definetly bring them profits 10-15 years from now.... Of course, it will never be on the same sheet as their gaming unit...
Segata Sanshiro said:In 15 years the PS3 will be more dead than Mama Cass, and while I'm quite certain BD is going to be the format of choice, even DVD hasn't been around 15 years.
10 years, BD should still be kicking, but I wouldn't call that PS3's income.
Segata Sanshiro said:wait. bycha, you honestly think the PS3 will be generating income for 10-15 years?
Are you fucking nuts?
How about this scenario:bycha said:I truly believe this gen will be 10 years. So no ps4 till 2015 and games still will appear for ps3 in 2020.
I really don't see how somebody will be able to market new game console in 2011. In previous gens better graphics was obvious. This gen games already pushing beyond 720p.
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http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
So I don't see no way for somebody (other than Nintendo maybe) to market and sell a next-gen console in like 2011. I expect a long-long run. Look at ps2 btw. How many ppl in the world still buy this for 129 and will continue to buy it for 99. With blu-ray and hdd etc it will take maybe 10 years for ps3 to reach that price.
Next-gen will appear when technology will demand it. I don't know what this technology might be.
SeeeeK said:Jesus Christ, if I'm reading that right Microsoft are down 6 billion dollars?! That's insane.
Segata Sanshiro said:In 15 years the PS3 will be more dead than Mama Cass, and while I'm quite certain BD is going to be the format of choice, even DVD hasn't been around 15 years.
10 years, BD should still be kicking, but I wouldn't call that PS3's income.
Flash. Who needs optical?sakuragi said:People are predicting that digital distribution will take off after a few years and if that happens during the blu-ray cycle, it will then be the last physical format for movies, games and storage (blu-ray rewritable). As we all know, even if DD is the preferred medium of choice for obtaining movies and games, there will always be the physical format to co-exist with it so people have the option to chose between the two. Just like with Itunes and the CD ect...
So unless a new physical format overthrows blu-ray and take over its throne, blu-ray is here to stay for a long long time.
jarrod said:Flash. Who needs optical?
Doesn't mean it'll remain dominant though... optical media's appeal is more for savings from a distribution end for publishers at retail. If that model falters, so will optical eventually... figure it's too bulky, fragile, slow and a flash card reader becomes more appealing suddely to hardware makers (especially if they manufacture the cards too).sakuragi said:As long as optical holds tons of data and is way cheaper to mass produce than flash.
jarrod said:Doesn't mean it'll remain dominant though... optical media's appeal is more for savings from a distribution end for publishers at retail. If that model falters, so will optical eventually... figure it's too bulky, fragile, slow and a flash card reader becomes more appealing suddely to hardware makers (especially if they manufacture the cards too).
I mean hypothetically, if retail stopped carrying PSP games and it all went dd, do you think people would rather burn blank UMDs or save games to memorysticks? Hell, there's people already screaming for Sony to drop the UMD drive entirely... why would Blu-ray be much different if the retail model changed?
You are massively oversimplifying that... and even if they could squeeze enough layers in for 500gb (let alone 1tb) you'd be looking at a large increase in the complexity of the actual reading mechanisms which would push costs up significant amounts (ignoring the fact that the discs wouldn't work in older BR drives).sakuragi said:Blu-ray could easily hold up to 500 gig to 1 terabite if necessary. All they need is to add more layers to the blu-ray and it wont significantly elevate the cost.
AniHawk said:And that's the sort of bleeding that will be REALLY hard to stop.
Sure, but CD-ROM was huge... it was industry wide for decades and there's billions of devices that use it. A better comparison for an archival only Blu-ray future would be something like Minidisc... and how widespread is that today? Oh wait, flash killed it.sakuragi said:Look, retails are still selling cds and that haven't changes since the itunes/ipod phenomena because people like to stick to conventions.
jedimike said:Your reading it wrong. Microsoft does not have a dedicated Xbox division. The OP is reporting numbers from the Entertainment and Devices division. The numbers include many hardware and software items including Zune, so it is difficult to extract any real gaming numbers.
Microsoft as a whole is not down at all. In Oct-Dec they made $6.5B.
A 1GB flash drive in the Xbox 1080 would finally kill all that "buray in M$ next consolz!" talk.....if only they could get those prices down.jarrod said:Sure, but CD-ROM was huge... it was industry wide for decades and there's billions of devices that use it. A better comparison for an archival only Blu-ray future would be something like Minidisc... and how widespread is that today? Oh wait, flash killed it.
Flash doesn't offer advantages in just speed either, it also has the edge in durability, rewritablity, footprint, energy consumption... and it also gives savings on the read end in terms of costs and (especially) footprint. Imagine how tiny a Wii could be if it didn't need an optical drive?
Optical formats were a huge leap forward, but it's not 1990 anymore and their capacity and even cost advantages have been severly eroded. And continue to be as technology progresses, hell solid state is going to kill HDDs too eventually.
I was going to say the same thing. This has been known for a while now. And no one should praise any sort of profits that MS recieve through their Xbox division because a lot of that potential profit aside from Halo 3 came from them saving money by cutting corners in components and manufacturing which gave us the unreliable hardware we love and cherish today. That insider article from an MS employee made me want to vomit.Leondexter said:He's not reading it wrong. It's very clear.
It isn't purely Xbox, true, but the rest of what makes up the division is as likely to be masking a larger loss as it is to be adding to it. Probably more likely. I'm sure anyone overseeing a project losing billions would like to be able to say "it's not just me, there are other things in my division!".