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Sblargh said:From these last pages, I learned that people have theories about what happened.
maybe its a new marketing ploy and Sony will announce the all new PSN at E3?
Sblargh said:From these last pages, I learned that people have theories about what happened.
JetBlackPanda said:maybe its a new marketing ploy and Sony will announce the all new PSN at E3?
Steve Youngblood said:I personally think it has no bearing on the CFW scene.
Steve Youngblood said:But their reaction affects everyone. I just don't understand how people can think this makes for good PR:
Forsete said:The more bling the better, IMO.
Less devices needs to be hooked up to my TV if one device can do all the jobs.
PS3 was perfect at that, I expect PS4 to keep going that direction. Lets hope these attacks dont make things harder for us paying customers.
Yes, and if it never actually sank, the Titanic really would have been unsinkable. Your reputation in this field is only as good as your ability to prevent stuff like this -- you know, what this thread is about -- from happening.FINALBOSS said:Based on the security of the PS3, I'd say Sony knows a thing or two about security.
FINALBOSS said:I also love how people assume PSN has crappy security. How the fuck do you know any of that?
Based on the security of the PS3, I'd say Sony knows a thing or two about security.
Steve Youngblood said:Yes, and if it never actually sank, the Titanic really would have been unsinkable. Your reputation in this field is only as good as your ability to prevent stuff like this -- you know, what this thread is about -- from happening.
Smision said:I felt that way until a few weeks ago. Consoles are just saturated. The whole experience is filled with little bumps in the road, thanks to online integration, media capabilities, and the attempt to allow installation of Linux. updates here, loading dashboards there, screwing with file conversion to play the console's *particular* file types, etc.
I like my ps2. DVD in to playing a game in a second.
i realize this is not going to go over so well here (and I am in this thread because I do have a CC on file with sony.)
I'd say the opposite...Remember that the hackers completely dismantled the PS3 forcing Sony to swap all the keys with a new firmware.FINALBOSS said:I also love how people assume PSN has crappy security. How the fuck do you know any of that?
Based on the security of the PS3, I'd say Sony knows a thing or two about security.
So, people were busy doing all that stuff. Then Sony installed some of the CWF on one of their machines, just to test what it does. They run it, and manage to compromise their own network, and start shitting bricks. Sony then hopes nobody has done what they just did, and shut it all down to fix it.
So in the end, it was all Sony.
What a twist?
Then I would deride Microsoft for not protecting their service. If it happened to Valve? Yes, I would be critical there as well. Any company that provides a product that doesn't work deserves to be criticized for their product not working.FINALBOSS said:Any group of determined and organized script kiddies can get anything done. It's just a matter of...being determined and organized. If they felt like going after XBL, they would have taken that down too.
Sho_Nuff82 said:Well, if lupinko says there's more to it, there's more to it. (This is not sarcasm, dude knows his shit)
Sony's probably going to take the kid gloves off when it comes to banning consoles from PSN, their retail partners would be furious if things like CoD map packs got to the masses for free. And yeah, their next console is going to be locked up tighter than ever.
SapientWolf said:Isn't this more of an issue of execrable security compounded by boneheaded mistakes? Linux isn't exactly associated with these type of problems.
Their problem was that they cared too much. It's a tragedy, really.Arklite said:Some argue that the whole Linux debacle is what has given the wrong kind of attention to Sony's security. I'm not saying its true, but I'm also not sure if we'd even be in this situation right now if Linux had never been an option in the first place. Perhaps a 'boneheaded' mistake could have been ever thinking users would use system access without considering piracy.
FINALBOSS said:Based on the security of the PS3, I'd say Sony knows a thing or two about security.
arnoldocastillo2003 said:For my understanding that technique has been around for a while, even SONY knew of this, the thing is what hacker tried to do more with it.
Steve Youngblood said:Their problem was that they cared too much. It's a tragedy, really.
Microsoft, Valve and others deal with attacks like these as well. I've said it before, hackers are a known quantity and more shady folks get involved when there's money to be stolen. Sony did paint a big giant red bullseye on their system and company that said: "Hack me please" but hackers didn't magically pop up just to attack PSN.FINALBOSS said:Not really.
Any group of determined and organized script kiddies can get anything done. It's just a matter of...being determined and organized. If they felt like going after XBL, they would have taken that down too.
Apenheul said:My sarcasm detection fails.. PS3 has the worst security of any console of the last two generations.
Of course, I should have ignored the fact that my credit card got used by someone who could be on the opposite end of the planet. Next time, I won't even bother cancelling the thing.Castor Krieg said:Sure, let's post about it anyway and fuel the panic.
Apenheul said:My sarcasm detection fails.. PS3 has the worst security of any console of the last two generations.
Apenheul said:My sarcasm detection fails.. PS3 has the worst security of any console of the last two generations.
FINALBOSS said:Any group of determined and organized script kiddies can get anything done.
Dreamcast, you didn't even need custom firmware or modded hardwareLothars said:Not really, I would say the Wii or original Xbox has the worst security by far out of any console but PS3 doesn't have that bad of security.
FINALBOSS said:I also love how people assume PSN has crappy security. How the fuck do you know any of that?
Based on the security of the PS3, I'd say Sony knows a thing or two about security.
timetokill said:Wasn't sure if it was posted, hard for me to keep up with the thread, but an excerpt of Tycho's post on the situation:
Lothars said:Not really, I would say the Wii or original Xbox has the worst security by far out of any console but PS3 doesn't have that bad of security.
Castor Krieg said:Wii is piss-easy to soft-mod, X360 DVD flash takes 10 minutes.
RSTEIN said:That may be true as far as software piracy goes but no console has had such a devestating breach of security since... ever? Piracy will always be there no matter what. But nobody has ever managed to take down a critical feature of a console that impacts the entire userbase before.
Why do you assume hackers took down the network? It seems much more likely that hackers found exploits within the network and as an initial stopgap Sony shut it down themselves.RSTEIN said:That may be true as far as software piracy goes but no console has had such a devestating breach of security since... ever? Piracy will always be there no matter what. But nobody has ever managed to take down a critical feature of a console that impacts the entire userbase before.
Apenheul said:My sarcasm detection fails.. PS3 has the worst security of any console of the last two generations.
Hex said:Yet it took longer to hack than the wii, the 360, the psp, the ds, the xbox, the ps2?
Drek said:Why do you assume hackers took down the network? It seems much more likely that hackers found exploits within the network and as an initial stopgap Sony shut it down themselves.
I work in the environmental remediation world. Often I'm forced to describe spills to people in terms of a milk carton being dropped on the floor. Shutting down the network is only Sony picking the carton up. Everything since has been sopping up the mess and finding a way to make sure the carton doesn't spill again.
Hex said:Yet it took longer to hack than the wii, the 360, the psp, the ds, the xbox, the ps2?
Hex said:Yet it took longer to hack than the wii, the 360, the psp, the ds, the xbox, the ps2?
Four_Chamber said:That's cause nobody cared to hack it. Once they started looking they were able to open up the PS3 easily.
Four_Chamber said:That's cause nobody cared to hack it until later. Once they started looking they were able to open up the PS3 easily. The PS3 is not some example of shining console security.
lupinko said:Basically the expensive security system stayed intact, but joe schmo was able to get in via the back door since the key was under the welcome mat.
Castor Krieg said:It doesn't make a fucking sense. Nobody cared? Why would ppl care to hack a Wii or X360?
dock said:I had fraudulent use on my credit card registered with PSN today.
Could be coincidence, but someone was trying to use it with Netflix (!) - You can't even get Netflix in the UK. :/
DR2K said:For it to be down this long, something big had to have happened.