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Sony To Restructure Liverpool Studio (WipEout/Motorstorm), Halt Several Projects
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StealthGoblin
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KennyLinder said:
Listen to this man. He works for Sony. Not everyone is being let go from Liverpool and the layoffs are nowhere near as big as the articles make out. I know this to be true because I have spoken directly with someone involved.
Many of the staff aren't being let go from Sony also. They are being relocated to other development teams.
chalkitdown1
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[Nintex] said:
Huh? There are no framerate problems in MSPR. :?
Wax Free Vanilla
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[Nintex] said:There's no chance in hell I'll ever see Destruction Derby ever again....
DD2 will alway be the greatest arcade racer on PlayStation.
Yoshida green lit the shitty Twisted Metal for PS3 and shitcanned the entire Liverpool Studio -- on top of axing other European based projects.
He's out of control.
badcrumble
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Ah, that would make sense. Cold as ice that they would dismiss people even before that update releases and the subsequent uptick in Wipeout HD sales.missile said:
smhWax Free Vanilla said:
shitty Twisted Metal
Kazuma Kiryu
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ok, they're actually closing studio liverpool?
what. the. fuck. sony.
what. the. fuck. sony.
KennyLinder
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kazuma_pt said:
No, no they aren't.
neverknowsbest
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The amount of people in this thread who fail to properly comprehend the articles and news they're reading is astonishing. As is the number of people who think that Motorstorm: PR is not a great game.
Kazuma Kiryu
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KennyLinder said:
then what does this mean?!?!?!
oh my god, i hate you sony. until you give me heavy rain. or god of war 3. or the last guardian. while they're not released, i'll hate you.
Elan tedronai
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whew, i thought it was canned. it would be an abomination if wipeout development was ceased. i think though it would be nice if the wipeout guys brought a new ip of sorts because it can be a bit frustrating doing the same IP all over again.
you're either having a laugh or seriously off your head. i suspect it's the latter.
[Nintex] said:
you're either having a laugh or seriously off your head. i suspect it's the latter.
No, they weren't even first party at the time. It was during an internal Sony meeting where Evolution showed off Motorstorm at the end of 05 and it was nothing but box cars and rough environments(pretty sure this video has the footage, despite it being a troll on the 360). Harrison said "You guys are the worst in the world" after the event, in a joking manner I assume. Harrison hyped Motorstorm as the killer app for the PS3 when he was still with Sony, so his opinion of the studio had to be pretty high.KingDizzi said:
chalkitdown1
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Massa said:
Yes, they are a clever bunch.
switch-it said:More MSR gifs please
Baki said:
What does Yoshida have to do with this? Wipeout HD didn't sell, if it sold like mad and Yoshida still decided to close Liverpool, THEN he would be at fault.
You want Phil back to do what? When Phil was in charge, they couldn't get the games out, times are tough, money doesn't grow on trees, etc.
The game doesn't run nearly as solid as those gifs on my PC.
for reference: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/cascade-falls-motorstorm-pacific/39682
WipeOut HD ran at 60fps and that blew my mind.
for reference: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/cascade-falls-motorstorm-pacific/39682
WipeOut HD ran at 60fps and that blew my mind.
He's insane that's what he is. He can sit right next to Yoichi Wada and Phil Spencer in the throneroom of lunatics.Wax Free Vanilla said:
DD2 will alway be the greatest arcade racer on PlayStation.
Yoshida green lit the shitty Twisted Metal for PS3 and shitcanned the entire Liverpool Studio -- on top of axing other European based projects.
He's out of control.
Has it been properly confirmed that Psygnosis is being closed?
Because if thats the case, then well I am lost for words.
In the UK Psygnosis == Playstation
It was Wipeout that launched the thing in the UK, and Psygnosis was involved from a very early point in the PSX's development, not just technically either, Wipeout design philosophy dominated the marketing of the PSX is pubs/clubs across the UK.
I would consider myself a fan of Sony and the PS3, and I usually try to be impartial in my thoughts when it comes to the "console war", but seriously this tests my patience and belief that the people at Sony actually know what they are doing.
Where is Phil Harrison again?
Because if thats the case, then well I am lost for words.
In the UK Psygnosis == Playstation
It was Wipeout that launched the thing in the UK, and Psygnosis was involved from a very early point in the PSX's development, not just technically either, Wipeout design philosophy dominated the marketing of the PSX is pubs/clubs across the UK.
I would consider myself a fan of Sony and the PS3, and I usually try to be impartial in my thoughts when it comes to the "console war", but seriously this tests my patience and belief that the people at Sony actually know what they are doing.
Where is Phil Harrison again?
SolidSnakex
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dogmaan said:
KennyLinder has made multiple posts telling people that this isn't the case but people don't want to listen to him.
Games took longer to come out when Phil was in charge(at least according to you), and games don't come out now that Yoshida is in charge. Seems like a poor trade to me.Kittonwy said:
I'm just kidding. Kind of...
A gif can't bump the framerate of a game, no? PR has very solid framerate, especially for all of the craziness that goes on in it. Not saying that Wipeout wasn't excellent in it's own way though.[Nintex said:
chalkitdown1
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[Nintex] said:
I'm out.
Kittonwy said:Holy shit calm down. They wouldn't have to shut Liverpool down if Wipeout HD sold like gangbusters but it didn't, because the fans didn't buy it or there simply wasn't enough of a market for their games.
If the game didn't sell gangbusters it's not really the studio's fault, as they delivered a very well received critical success.
It's Sony's fault for either doing a poor job at marketing or reading the market wrong and approving the concept in the first place.
If Wipeout HD had sold well, they wouldn't have brought the loading screen ads back a second time. iirc, the leaderboards showed 100k+ users, but... that's worldwide combined, with no clue as to how much gamesharing was involved. And I don't think anybody else in Sony is using the fancy variable resolution rendering tech they developed for the game either.
That being said, I love Wipeout HD, and I'm sad to hear this news.
That being said, I love Wipeout HD, and I'm sad to hear this news.
badcrumble
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Yeah, I was hoping for a final expansion. It's got loads of content with just one, though; I only wish there were campaign additions of some of the new modes with the older tracks rather than having to do those through racebox or online.missile said:
chalkitdown1
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[Nintex] said:
That's irrelevant. Your point was that it has framerate problems. Which it does not.
Now stop it.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
so what exactly is the news here(i have'nt follow this thread)
the Wipeout team is no more? Is Evolution still together?
My 2 favorite racers WipEout HD and Motorstorm PR. These guys did an amazing job for Sony.
the Wipeout team is no more? Is Evolution still together?
My 2 favorite racers WipEout HD and Motorstorm PR. These guys did an amazing job for Sony.
KennyLinder
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kazuma_pt said:
That piece of information was written by someone who runs a 3rd party Wipeout website, and it's not 100% accurate.
I've said a number of times now what is actually happening to the studio, yet it seems everyone is ignoring me. I'll try one more time:
Sony Liverpool is NOT closing down, but several developers were made redundant today. I don't know how many, but it was not the entire studio.
SolidSnakex
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~Devil Trigger~ said:
Evo isn't being touched in this whole situation apparently. Liverpool is taking the hit. Rumor is that 80% of their games have been canned and a large chunk of the staff has been let go. People decided to jump to conclusions though and now people think all of Liverpool is being shut down when that isn't the case at all.
KennyLinder
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~Devil Trigger~ said:
Right,
Evolution -> Motorstorm
Liverpool -> WipEout
Two different studios, 20 minutes drive from each other.
Today the Liverpool Studio has made some redundancies.
That's it in a nutshell.
KennyLinder
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[Nintex] said:
We found out about this on Wednesday this week, that there would be some job losses in the Liverpool Studio.
Today it was confirmed to us (sorry, I can't tell you which Sony studio I work for) that this is the case. We were not told who (because out of respect, the developers themselves had only just been told), and we were not told how many (well we were told a rough number).
Interstellar
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.-Amon- said:
Looking at the leaderboards it must have sold roughly 200,000 - 250,000 copies and the Fury dlc maybe a small percentage of this. It was put on PSN, little marketing and probably (alot would agree) underpriced. It wasn't a surprise to see in-game ads patched in later. So yeah it became a niche.
Wipeout HD sorta fufilled their vision for the series. 1080p 60fps etc - so its a great way to end the series if that is the case. Fury hinted at the future of the series but it is hard to see where they could take it, more dlc?
Motorstorm is sorta a successor to the Desrtuction Derby games, without arena battles.
Still sad news.
KennyLinder
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missile said:
Who is he? Does he work on the team?
Well, I know what I was told at work today about what happened..
Kazuma Kiryu
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KennyLinder said:
ok ok, i'll calm down. wipeout is still safe.
oh god, i was almost having a heart attack.