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Sony vs Microsoft: The First Party Studios
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Psycho_Mantis
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4 RPGS:
Bloodborne
SCEJ AAA rpg
Dragons Dogma 2 (Sony/Capcom project)
Valkyria Chronicles 4 (SEGA/Sony project)
This is the dream. Believe in it!
orthodoxy1095
Banned
The only one we actually know about is Bloodborne right? Or has that SCEJ thing been confirmed?
Whats your definition of confirmed? The only person who keeps mentioning this JRPG is verendus.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Ah gotcha. I couldn't remember if we had heard about the SCEJ JRPG outside of what verendus has said. I believe, just curious.
It's been four pages, but having played the Bloodborne Alpha.... this post...
Let's sweeten the deal. SCEJ RPG is The Legend of Dragoon 2/Revival
This!!! And I really hope the Sony person who begged Konami is about Genso Suikoden!!!
SCE what though? J? A?
since we haven't even had any announcement, it's going to be christmas or perhaps 2016?
edit:
TLG is one of those right? ; ;
LiquidSolid
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Wow. Just, wow. You say a lot of dumb shit but this really takes the cake. The only things Microsoft are handling is the briefcase of money they handed over to Square Enix and some of the marketing. That's it, it's still a Square Enix game.
Hate to kill the dream but you're missing Guerrilla's RPG, Horizon.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I'm guessing the third platformer is Media Molecule's new game. They have been quiet for a long time.
Maybe its under TPS....
Maybe its under TPS....
Stealth. It must be here somewhere.
LiquidSolid
Member
Seems strange that R&C and Sly 5 wouldn't fit under platformer though.
They're handling the marketing, which under SE was a complete embarrassment. Hopefully, they'll have a hand in development as well.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
As far as I remember, when Verendus first talked about the Sega / Sony collab in the Sonic Lost World thread, he made it sound like a new ip, so Sonic, Shenmue, Monkey Ball and Yakuza would be ruled out.
Still I hope he answers my question regarding the platformer, I still have hopes for a new 3D collectathon, considering Microsoft hasn't let Rare make a proper Banjo sequel in 10 years of owning them.
It's simple really.
SE have no idea how to handle TR, as we saw last gen. MS clearly see this and think that they could do better. So MS obviously opened talks with Square for the next game, and offered there assistance.
And yes, I want them to do the same with Capcom, who also clearly have no fucking idea what to do with the likes of RE, or DMC.
co-marketing / providing cash for exclusivity and marketting it a shitload != handling an ip better.
Give it more exposure and time in the limelight might have been a better way to express what I think youre tryin to say. I hope this is not something about the game dev itself. (You mention that ms canhelp with the dev too I guess this could help in special cases to make the x1 version perform better but thats normally just cause most 3rd party wouldlnt put a lot of effort into any particular port unless there are such exclusivity deals. I guess if you think of your post in that angle it could make sense. Otherwise if you think third parties are just sitting there and ms is some genius dev/artists/game studio/marketing super talent which just goes give us your games well stop mishandling them :S ... I dont really konw what to say.
I never said MS are some genius devs, I merely said that TR, and Eidios in general would be much better handled under MS, then Square. The same applies to Capcom.
It really isn't hard to see the point I was making, but it's just easier for people to mock on Gaf these days.
better handled how? Like Bungie and Rare? I dont think people are getting your point because if you mean studios and ips being better handled ppl dont agree with it and thats the contention. If you just mean more marketing then better handled isnt the correct way of framing it etc etc.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Why do you think Microsoft has any competence in handling IPs? Shadowrun was ruined in Microsoft's hands. Bungie broke up their relationship due to how they wanted to handle the Halo IP. I feel that any IP that Microsoft has gotten from someone else has been run into the ground. Can you give any proof of why Microsoft would handle an IP better? Has this happened ever?
Some of the decisions Square have made with Eidios have been a complete disaster. TR, Hitman etc. Halo and Gears meanwhile have remained consistent under MS control, its my opinion that the likes of TR would also be more consistent, as MS would not tell the studios to do such stupid things.
Psycho_Mantis
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You don't get banned for making stupid posts. In fact saying that none of your posts are ridiculous due to you not being banned yet is ridiculous in itself.
In this post we insert some made up scenario and act like its reality.
In reality MS just money hatted TR as a way to counter act UC4. Its not going to work, especially since 70% of the TR fanbase won't be able to buy the game when it release in holiday 2015.
As I said above, the consistency with Halo and Gears. Also MS made the right decision where Bungie are concerned, Destiny was a total mess, in the way the IP was managed.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Halo 4 has sold less than both Halo Reach and Halo 3. It soured people on the IP. We'll see how well Halo 5 will do. I wouldn't hold my breath. 2015Q4 or 2016Q1 is likely. I wouldn't hold it past any game this generation to be delayed. If XBO continues to fail at getting market appeal how much of a market is there to sell a new Halo to? If it released today there would be too few XBO out there for it to sell more than Halo 4.
Gears of War Judgement didn't exactly light the charts on fire. Epic didn't want to continue develop games from the IP. Microsoft did. When the original developers and talent behind the game decides to move on it's a pretty sure sign that's what's going on is only milking. Milk whatever $ the IP still has left and then put it to pasture. If that's competent management while at the same time cancelling an original IP well I guess you're right.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I never played any Halo or Gears games but I thought that the last entries in both franchise aren't as beloved as the previous ones by their fanbase.
Halo 4 and Gears Judgement were both better received then Tomb Raider and Hitman Absolution. Both the latter completely pissed off the old school fanbase, and in case of TR, the game was a laughing stock due to the Protect her meme. When it comes to IP management, Ms are far, far superior to SE, and I would love to have them in control of Eidios, as a fan.
Edit. The same applies to MS and Capcom, I want and think both will be the next acquisitions for MS.
LiquidSolid
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What other publishers would you like Microsoft to buy, as a fan of Microsoft?
All of them.
I want this. I want this badly.
Ol No Bones
Banned
In Microsoft's defense bungie went on to make its worst game by far with Activision. Also some great rare games were made on the Xbox and people just didn't buy then like they should have. Kameo and viva pinata were brilliant. Rares big success just happened to be Kinect sports.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Takes me back to the days when people though MS was going to moneyhat FIFA exclusivity lol.
Cmon now can you be a more obvious troll?
Can you explain how it was an embarassment?
While you're at it, can you explain why you think Microsoft is the best company to handle this? We are still talking about the same company that royally fucked up the messaging on everything surrounding the Xbox One, right? The company that can't seem to get out of the pit of tech comparisons that it continuously enters into of its own will? That company?
Yeah, I can see why everyone seems to be dismissing what you have to say here.
Mugatu
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I disagree with that - I don't think Shadowrun was ever such a big IP as to be ruined and it came back into popularity and praise with the next game so again ruined is the wrong word. Add to that the people liked that game and still play it.
And people move on, as is the case with Bungie. Most people, and companies, don't want to do the same thing over and over again. However, if something is successful you don't want to dump it either. Halo 4 was, IMO as well, a lesser Halo game but it was still a good game. It's hardly ruined or anything like that. I hated the new enemies but I also hated the Flood.
Microsoft didn't run them into the ground. Like I said, neither are run into the ground and they're actually good games, even if you disagree.
Miles Quaritch
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Worse game by far? How could you forget Reach?
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
If anything I'd say that Sony has been a far better at promoting and getting good exposure for both the Tomb Raider IP and Square Enix in general. Tomb Raider was a success in almost every aspect. They saved a dying IP. They don't need Microsoft swooping in and losing them 2 million sold copies. They need the opposite.
Capcpom has never been a good at making games that sell. With most of their talent gone it's only a question of when the company goes belly up. They seem clueless at best. It won't help their cause to limit themselves to Microsoft since their main consumers are still in Japan where Microsoft has little-to-no marketshare.
Also, Hitman has been saved. Hitman Go for iOS is an excellent game and deserves more exposure. Plus, Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris looks far more interesting that The Rise of the Tomb Raider.
But this is about first party studios and I've derailed this far enough.
Lastly I'd like to thank Verendus for bringing www.listwar.com to my attention. What a handy little site.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
I'm not really sure if that should be considered as a bragging point.
Anyway, the argument that MS are masters in managing IP could have some merit in regards to Forza, Gears, and Halo (especially considering they've set up a whole studio devoted to solely churning out Halo products). But in terms of anything outside those IPs, it's been pretty shitty. Just look at the state of Rare - that interview with Chris Seavor from a few years back was recently republished on Eurogamer and it really displays the dire situation that Microsoft brought upon Rare. An utter shit-hurricane.
I hate to beat a dead horse here but this is major fail.
The above doesn't help. Absolutely no logic behind it and hopefully you don't go to lengths to explain it either. Better to just leave it as is.
BradleyLove
Member
I was pointing out your interpretation of "first-party" is incorrect. Simply publishing a title does not make it first-party.
Had more fun being teabagged in Reach than being One-shotted in Destiny.
I have no problem in MS acquiring Crytek. I think that should be a studio that under proper management and oversight could do really well as a first party and give MS capable talent in the AAA space ready to go - and Crytek is BIG. Better than to see Crytek disband and fall apart by being independent. I have no issue with them buying Insomniac either. Another studio that would benefit - then again Insomniac has been avoiding a buyout for ages it seems. I just hope Sunset Overdrive doesn't flop for their sake.
Did I say they were masters of managing IP?
They would do a far better job with Eidios then SE, and I hope they rather buy them should SE be willing to sell, or continue to work with Eidios on thier IP. Either is a better alternative then another 8 years with SE.
I don't think MS is at all too happy that their once flagship studio is developing multi-platform games for its chief rival and moving consoles for its chief rival en-masse.
Serious answer? Sega. I'd like any of the three to buy Sega tbh. Their IPs only really stand a chance in the hands of a first-party, and they'd fill more gaps for MS than either Sony or Nintendo, so the game would be more likely to get bankrolled by them imo.
MS probably isn't happy with the arrangement. But if Destiny shows the direction Bungie would have liked to take Halo (and Reach/ODST kinda show it was)... then I'm glad they're off the franchise personally.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
It was rather they let Bungie go independent, or spend $500m on Destiny, to keep Bungie happy. Looking at how much of a mess Destiny has been, I'd say they did make the right move.
Then you pointed very very poorly considering the link pertained to studios and their ownership, not video games and their publishers.
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