Sunset Samurai
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Phantom Dust and Voodoo Vince so far
Not Xbox OG, but the Xbox pass has allowed me to play the banjo games
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Sony's Jim Ryan comments on backwards compatibility: "why would anybody play this?"
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Phantom Dust and Voodoo Vince so far
Not Xbox OG, but the Xbox pass has allowed me to play the banjo games
I'd love to have OG Xbox BC just for a few titles *cough* PDO, Shenmue 2, Crackdown, RallySport Challenge 2, etc. *cough*
Eh I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's understandable why there is no BC support for the PS3. The PS4 has been my go to console this gen and I've been loving it. The online is just as good as XBL outside of download speeds. So I really do hope the PS5 does support PS4 BC or I'll stick to physical copies of games on the system.
UpUpDownDown
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People are actually defending the original XB1 no used games plan?
what is going on in this thread
It's a glorious battle!
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Dr. Black Jack
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just buy a damn PS2 people
FingerBang
Member
God, this guy is stupid. Like, I agree that people buy new console for new games. After 2013 I almost never used my PS3, but there are so many unique PSX and PS2 games worth playing...
It's called being a fanboy, son. It ain't good.
Jokes aside, I think they had some good ideas there (family sharing, digital and physical being a single purchase). Too bad they flushed them down the toilet with the insane ONCE EVERY 24HRs CHECK and NO USED GAMES. They should have found a better way to do that.
Hopefully this is all going to be playable on the new PS4 Portable, so we'll all be happy.
People are actually defending the original XB1 no used games plan?
what is going on in this thread
It's called being a fanboy, son. It ain't good.
Jokes aside, I think they had some good ideas there (family sharing, digital and physical being a single purchase). Too bad they flushed them down the toilet with the insane ONCE EVERY 24HRs CHECK and NO USED GAMES. They should have found a better way to do that.
brickarts295
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21 pages? Come on GAF let it go and enjoy PS Now and PS2 Classics with trophies XD.....T_T
Flow-Walker
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People are actually defending the original XB1 no used games plan?
what is going on in this thread
I don't think anyone is defending it. It never existed. Bashing the Xbox One over something that never existed is like trashing the PS3 over the original boomerang controller that no one ever was forced to use.
Interficium
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Are you really trying to compare DOTA and CS to like, old singleplayer PS3 titles.
Vegetable Lasagna
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See below... I really don't see any reason to think Sony has any other stance. Well, outside of hoping MS has forced their hand with PS5. But with the current PS4 install base would that even be enough?
You realize the Xbox 360 cpu is based on the IBM PowerPC architecture? If I remember correctly it uses modified versions of the cores found in the CELL processor. If Microsoft can offer bc between two pretty different architectures I don't think Sony really has an excuse. Besides them not wanting to put the money and resources into it. They clearly don't want to.
And btw, I wasn't even talking primarily about PS3 bc. You know Sony already has PS2 emulation up and running on PS4, right? They didn't offer it for free like MS. Instead they used it to resale a couple random PS2 digital downloads on PS4. Because why do something for free when people can rebuy shit, right?
Roughly half of those are single player, but extrapolate that out to the top 100 games on Steam and the ratio stays roughly the same.
Flow-Walker
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While it was mostly for MP, Black Ops 2 actually charted in NPD the month it hit BC.
Dr. Black Jack
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Choose to not buy two modern
shit
Neuromancer
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Whose the guy who always does the funny interviews with Ryan? He's going to have a field day with this one.
Vegetable Lasagna
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*Until it gets re-released and secondhand prices sink into the abyss.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Grabbed by the Ghoulies is in Rare Replay too!Phantom Dust and Voodoo Vince so far
Not Xbox OG, but the Xbox pass has allowed me to play the banjo games
David Jenkins!
http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/18/ps4-b...ppointment-tears-at-my-heart-strings-4836840/
http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/23/ps4-b...ul-lot-from-the-driveclub-experience-5074388/
Dr. Black Jack
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Then more people get to play it and you're still left with a physical copy of an excellent game. What's the problem?
Ravi_elite
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As long as original forumulas-mechanics-feautures become lost and changes to sequels on next gen systems fail to live up to their predecessers of course BC remains relevant..and should clearly be used as a form of statistics on what the fans want in their games.. - the Xbox guy who just wants the original Saints Row BC because, because...
Of course you can. That's Sony's problem to solve, not consumers. There really isn't any reason for their customers or potential customers to consider it at all
The only sensible post itt.
Vegetable Lasagna
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That's fair if you're into collecting and wouldn't care about owning a digital version with bc support. Outside of that it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to defend Sony here.
The Cell is an entirely different beast than the Xenon chip found in the 360. First the SPUs were insanely fast with crunching numbers and I doubt the Jaguar chips could keep up in that respect. IIRC devs had access to 7 threads on the Cell versus 6 on the 360 CPU, making it that much harder to emulate. On top of that, the 360 was more of a typical system with how the CPU and GPU handled games while the Cell helped with graphical elements in PS3 games.
Even MS, with all their wizardry, could not get an emulator running on the PS4.
I mean it absolutely did it exist, Microsoft had a conference on it and everything. It didn't get to market, and was rescinded weeks after the XB1 went for preorders.
Cell emulation is on an entirely different level than what Xbox had to deal with. The cost has to be offset by the demand, and its apparent Sony doesn't see the payoff.
Renegade Frost
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The Wii was made in 2005 dude. Nintendo didnt even handle the wifi for their games on their own lol.
That said this is a topic about backwards compatibility, not Nintendo's weakness with unfamiliar technology
Vegetable Lasagna
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Soooo, we agree? Pretty much what I've been saying. And I wouldn't exactly downplay what it took to get 360 emulation up and running. PS3 emulation might have some more difficulties, but MS is the one that put in the effort and I guarantee it wasn't easy. That's the ecosystem I want to be apart of going forward. At least until Sony shows us something different.
family_guy
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I can barely watch a 4:3 DVD these days. I understand Jim.
Vegetable Lasagna
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I'm not sure I would go that far, but whatever floats your boat. And I'm mainly talking about bc support moving forward. Could PS5 have enough power to do PS3 emulation? Probably. I don't even expect PS4 emulation right now going by everything Sony has said and done.
Electret
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That's my hope - that it was a dumb, one-off comment reflecting one dude's personal opinion.
I just don't see PS5 not being backwards compatible. Not with the ever-increasing emphasis on digital titles and ecosystems. And not with PS5 inevitably having an x86, AMD-based SoC, clearing a strong path for a (relatively) straightforward BC implementation. I could see a situation where BC is 90%, and not 100%, of PS4 titles, though.
Are you the reason for some of the bad Blu-ray editions where shows weren't designed for widescreen are put into widescreen format with bad cropping and stuff? D:
isaacnukem
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Why would anyone play games?
Captain_Wreckus
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Not surprised he said it...don't have confidence in their engineers to get it done since they can't get paying by credit card on the PSN store right.
Sony may have the 1st party games, but they are behind in adding features to their console compared to the Xbox One.
That's my opinion though.
Sony may have the 1st party games, but they are behind in adding features to their console compared to the Xbox One.
That's my opinion though.
Shpeshal Nick
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People are actually defending the original XB1 no used games plan?
what is going on in this thread
While not in this thread, I'm happy to put my hand up and admit I wanted the original Xbox One.
For me personally, it was perfect. As someone who rarely if ever buys used or lends/borrows, I loved the idea of paying Disc prices for a digital copy.
But then I also feel Microsoft would have eventually worked out a strategy for trading/lending.
So you don't have an answer on your SF2 shenanigans? Good sport.
Irishonion
Member
I kept my Xbox 1 around because I can easily download the free 360 games, or good 360 games on sale. It's freaking awesome.
Renegade Frost
Banned
we do not need to bring the netflix model to gaming.
that will change the dynamics of ownership into a way that reduces the consumers power here
Dr. Black Jack
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I'm not trying to defend them. People want BC and Sony has the most to offer in that, making it a total dick move not to. It's just that there's a really, really easy solution in the meantime.
To be fair though, there are a lot of PS1 games with no current device to play them now that the PS3 is dead. They should address that and emulating the PS1 on the PS4 wouldn't be difficult.
I'm totally expecting another statement to try to clean up the dumpster fire that is this current one. Its a completely stupid thing to say when people can literally look at people enjoying said feature that "no one wants" on their competitor's console.
It would have been smarter to be honest and say, It's difficult and expensive for us to do this because..." Though, that's opening up another door to people to ask "what is my PS+ sub paying for then??"
It would have been smarter to be honest and say, It's difficult and expensive for us to do this because..." Though, that's opening up another door to people to ask "what is my PS+ sub paying for then??"
People are forgetting that PS1 games are nearly 25 years old now, and PS2 games are 15 years old. How many people still have physical PS1 and PS2 games? Not enough to justify physical backwards compatibility. It's a far cry from 360 games that are still being sold new online and are only a few years old. People are mentioning BO2 charting on NPD when it became compatible on XO. Would the same thing happen for, say, GOW1 if its disc was made compatible with PS4? No.
No, really it's very safe to go as far as my earlier claim. As it's been said before, you're underestimating the challenge with emulating the PS3.
While I think 360 BC support is great on the XBO, I'm not sure PS3 BC support is important for the PS5. Supporting the PS4 is a different matter IMO. Digital distribution has been a major pillar to this generation, making sure a gamer's library will carry forward should be a higher priority.
The fact that your $500 system would be a brick without "checking in" every 24 hours was pure bullshit.
Edit:
I own plenty of digital PSone games on the PS3. Would love to be able to play them on the PS4.
Mr. PlayStation
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Err it pretty much did exist. From what I have heard from people, third party publishers weren't happy with used game sales and for a fact that used game sales affects the industry as much as piracy, because the revenue from used games goes to the retailer and retailer alone. This prompted MS to prep their console towards a software developer profitability perspective.
hydrophilic attack
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People are actually defending the original XB1 no used games plan?
what is going on in this thread
It's the gaming equivalent of Goodwin's law:
As an online console warz discussion grows longer, the probability of a passionate Xbone DRM defense approaches 1
So much for being "For the players"!
Some of my favourite games are from the PS1 and 2. It's disappointing that Sony just see BC as a cash grab. I'm happy to play my old games in the resolution that came. I don't need a remaster for each platform.
Agreed! I bought a few to play on the Vita but would love to be able to play them on the PS4.
Some of my favourite games are from the PS1 and 2. It's disappointing that Sony just see BC as a cash grab. I'm happy to play my old games in the resolution that came. I don't need a remaster for each platform.
Agreed! I bought a few to play on the Vita but would love to be able to play them on the PS4.
I'm going to have to disagree. Microsoft would more than likely able to get it done in a year or less.
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