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Where does the arse fat end and the back fat begin?So all dev's will look like this:
Where does the arse fat end and the back fat begin?So all dev's will look like this:
You don't need skill. Just don't be/stop being a white male and you can do anything.If I had the skill I would change this into a meme with a third guy asking about tflops and ram...
Too much stuff for the lowest common denominator to process. And many fancy words. Just hire based on gender/skin to make it look diverse. It's easier.Classic corporate PR nonsense.
Diversity on gender or race doesn’t matter. Diversity of Talent and knowledge does. Talented developers do. Whether 1/3 female or 2/3 or half I don’t care as long as the developers are talented and make good games.
I don’t play video games thinking to myself “hmm I sure hope the development team behind this fantastic game I am playing is 50 percent female and 10 percent native Indian Alaskan, and 2.5 percent gender queer”
Nobody thinks about this except crazies and loonies. Good talent is good talent whether it is a woman or man or an alien from some far away planet. If people have the talent, they will have the job.
Forced diversity for diversity sake is moronic and actually detrimental.
The whole concept to create a society that is across the board egalitarian is typical communist ideology and destined to fail because you are promoting external factors (race, gender) over internal factors (intelligence, grit) which are the ones that matter regardless of person skin color or sex.
This is why all communist societies and far left socialist regimes always fail. They propagate mediocrity for the sake of checking boxes to please the masses.
Good talent is good talent whether man or woman gay or straight white or black.
WhyWrong forum, mr edgy.
Diversity has in no way shown to make better games. Hell, google top 50 games of all time and tell me how many of those had dev teams that weren't majorly of one nationality (I'll give you a hint, it's almost none). Without a backing to show it makes better games it's nothing but modern racism. More qualified, experienced people not getting jobs because of their skin colour, while a less qualified person gets a job because of their less common skin colour.That’s excellent. Diversity in the games industry is something we all need to be better at, and it’s good to see Microsoft and Sony are both emphasizing and doubling down on their efforts to do so going forward.
Where does the arse fat end and the back fat begin?
The problem is, what he said makes no sense. He is implying his development teams don't look like the fans, but the reality is they actually probably do. He wants them to look like the fans he doesn't have. Your second point, as to Japanese development is spot on, is he saying that teams shouldn't look the same? Well, logic would say that Sony should be de-assembling not only their studios there but a huge hunk of the Sony operations there as well, as its a bunch of same looking Japanese people.
What he said doesn't even appear to make any kind of sense, but if one were to actually use what he said... that's a big no-no in the United States as far as employment discrimination statutory laws, and probably most parts of the world if I were to guess. If there is ever a situation where workers feel like they are getting discriminated against in any of Sony's studios, surely his racists/sexists words will be used if its a large scale litigation like class action - anyone can use his words and it doesn't matter what color they are. As a President of SIEA, he should never ever speak about what the companies employees look like or should look like, this is common sense to anyone that does major business in the United States and I would imagine most places.
That guy was already not likable, now he comes off as a racist idiot on top of looking pompous. Half the time he looks like he's at a wine tasting event instead of a gaming event.
Sony has already dismantled non-game-studio japan PlayStation operations. The budget, according to last year’s corporate filings, for the Japanese branch of PlayStation was approx 1 million USD. That is barely enough to keep the lights on in a tiny one room Tokyo office. PlayStation, for all intents and purposes, is 100% run and staffed by Californians—whose ranks now include Kaz btw, lol.
So its more important to have a diverse team than it is to have the best talent and devs?
Where does the arse fat end and the back fat begin?
So all dev's will look like this:
How about instead of hiring people to meet some arbitrary diversity quota, you hire people based on how qualified they are for the job?
Sony, you better follow through with this. The only acceptable breakdown of teams is as follows:
White: 61%
Hispanic: 18%
Black: 13%
Asian: 6%
Native American: 1%
Of which 4.5% must be LGBT.
Qualifications be damned. Anything else and they are racist homophobes that won't be getting any of my money.
Are the upper management positions at Sony also diverse or just consisting of white men? Lets hire a diverse cast there and see how Sony's shares drop 50% in a day
Are the upper management positions at Sony also diverse or just consisting of white men? Lets hire a diverse cast there and see how Sony's shares drop 50% in a day
No. Diversity means less White.Hmmm, so an all African American or all female development team would be bad?
Yep, means less ethnic Europeans.No. Diversity means less White.
Lol. It totally does.His ass goes all the way up.
Japanese company, friend.
You should sniff it.Where does the arse fat end and the back fat begin?
Yep. This is the TRIGGERED thread for those that are scared of the word diversity. And that quoted sentence is perfect. Too bad most here will never appreaciate it.
I don't have the time or the inclination to point out all the ways that this post is retarded. So I'll just be succinct; You're a fucking idiot.Geez, people. How can an article y'all didn't even read trigger you so much?
The next few decades will be very though for you guys to handle when you have such problems with accepting that white male dominance of all aspects of western life is coming to an end.
Stop being scared of it and start accepting it as a good thing for everyone involved.
Equality is not oppression, even though if it might feel that way at first from the perspective of the ignorant privileged.
Diversity of educated opinion and perspectives is good. The media is mainly attacking uneducated opinions and perspective.
For example: In physics we haven't had a true breakthrough since Einstein. The standard model of particle physics is decades old. And things aren't at all progressing as fast as we had expected.
One of the main reasons why this is, according to many physicists, is that we tend to think in very human categories and look for "beauty" and "elegance" in solutions, even though there is no indication that the Universe gives a crap about what humans perceive as elegant and beautiful.
This doesn't mean that we should listen to nutjobs who talk about the aether and whatnot. We still need educated perspectives, but ones that break out of the established ways of thinking. And a good start is to try to become aware of the inherent biases in our way of thinking derived from the norms thats surround us and the ideals and standards we are used to.
It is about thinking outside the box, but still within the confinements of logic, reason and the scientific method.
It means more humans though. Because we all know straight white men are not humans.Yep, means less ethnic Europeans.
Best games imo I don’t think have a very diverse staff especially Japanese games, anyways I’m all for a good diverse team of black,Latino,and females but don’t hire based off that you need the best talent.
Europeans for whatever reason includes piss-poor Eastern Europeans that were fucked over in various ways by major superpowers.Yep, means less ethnic Europeans.
Glad to see Sony and MS reaching out to a variety of genders and ethnicities with varying backgrounds!
Oh wait this is a tribalistic political thread filled with triggerings?
Yawn. *walks out*
How about instead of hiring people to meet some arbitrary diversity quota, you hire people based on how qualified they are for the job?
I don't know how you can come up with such a bullshit accusation of saying he thinks non whites aren't as smart as whites when all he said was that they should hire the best people regardless of ethnicity.Why is it impossible for you to believe they are hiring the smartest people for the job? Maybe they also happen to be diverse too. Or maybe it's probably because you don't think diverse groups can be as smart or smarter than a mostly white male group?
I don't know how you can come up with such a bullshit accusation of saying he thinks non whites aren't as smart as whites when all he said was that they should hire the best people regardless of ethnicity.
Why is it impossible for you to believe they are hiring the smartest people for the job?
Maybe they also happen to be diverse too.
Or maybe it's probably because you don't think diverse groups can be as smart or smarter than a mostly white male group?
Because Diversity seems to be their chief concern. To stand as a chief concern means coming first and foremost, above other criteria such as competence, or CV, that is.
Happen to?
When they advertise it to the world as their new badge of honor?
No, not happen to.
Engeneered as, surely that's what you mean.
And here full-blow persecution complex can be witnessed. You couldn't help yourself. You just had to insinuate there's no such thing as principled opposition to diversity. It all must be a cover-up for something darker, more sinister.
Don't you get tired of that move?
The way to make sure teams are as competent as possible it to always go for the best. Any other chief criterion will lead to inferior results, by definition.
When I check-in at the private hospital and place myself in their hands, I praise the God of Ayn Rand, in that being the best is what landed them the job, not irrelevant attributes such as their sexual orientation or skin colour.
You didn't use the word "possible" though you said "probably" and that makes all the difference.Did you NOT read my post? I was asking questions. I didn't accuse him of actually thinking it. To think Sony isn't already hiring the best available means that it's possible that same poster believes emphasizing diverse teams will keep Sony from doing that.
And why did Eiknarf think Sony is trying to meet some made up quota?
You didn't use the word "possible" though you said "probably" and that makes all the difference.
We all saw what prioritizing diversity over talent did for Mass Effect Andromeda. I don't think Sony are actively doing the same shit as BioWare Montreal was doing because their games are almost all top notch. My guess is that Sony probably already mostly hires the best people and it just so happens that there's some diversity in there and that Layden is just taking advantage of that fact to virtue signal about how diverse the teams at Sony are to score some internet brownie points.
I'm guessing he brought up quotas because if Layden said "well 5% of teams are black", the SJWs would say it wasn't enough. So how much is enough? The only way to regulate such a thing would be through quotas, which is obviously ridiculous, but otherwise certain people will always complain about their representation even if that representation exceeds their representation in the population's demographics.
Then me and you are reading the same statement differently. I didn't take Sony saying this to mean it's their NUMBER ONE concern. They are just putting "an" emphasis on it. It's "a" priority, not the number one priority. And I can assure you I'm not persecuted at all. Don't pull that bullshit on me. Any person that has a principled opposition to diversity has a bad agenda and just isn't smart, because diversity in of itself isn't bad. It "CAN" be if it's the number one priority, but where do you see that happening?
There are zero issues with diversity, because diversity can come in many stripes. It doesn't just have to be about black and white (race).
Source of the interview.
"As we broaden the tent for our games and we welcome those from every part of the world and every background, it's important our development teams look like our fans," Layden said. "It's important that we have a wide range of voices if we are to exceed the expectations of our audience---
So if qualifications are the number one priority then diversity doesn't matter.
You can't have an "emphasis" on diversity if you're just going to pick who ever is the best qualified anyway, the two statements aren't compatible.
I guess you didn't follow ME Andromeda that closely but there were many examples of hires that had no experience. I remember a woman who I think was a cosplayer or something being hired as a facial animator without any prior experience and one of Andromeda's biggest problems at launch was facial animations. There was also a racist project lead who constantly tweeted how he hated white people. I'm sure he probably had input on some of the hires and we certainly know where his priorities were.First of all we do not know if a more diverse team is what made Mass Effect Andromeda a bad game. Where did you get that from? What research or journalist did you see that found out that information? And 2nd, diversity shouldn't be about quotas or meeting some made up BS number for the "right" amount of black people or women. It's giving people of all shades, genders, ideas, etc an equal shot. And also about going out of your way to getting that difference. Top management shouldn't be trying to hit a number.
No you're doing the one or the other thing that too many people on the internet like to do. Where everything is black or white, hot or cold and not seeing enough grey or luke-warm. The two statements are 100% compatible. There are many jobs and situations where 2 candidates can be within the margin of error of each other in skill. 1000s of managers every day try to choose the person that best "fits" the team giving that they are close in skill.
At this point, if you are Sony and you have 3 people that super close in skill and background, then you factor in diversity (in whatever way diversity means to that team). It's the smart play business wise too if you have good management.